Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime DIscussion

[Marco_Shark]

But,...literally anyone can use dark magic. Anubis was a gifted magician and summoner, not to mention that the movie says the Pyramid of Light is an item he uses on his enchantments, which would be a power amplifier.

And, there is no mention that the Pyramid of Light is a Millenium Item, just an item he used on his enchantments.


And there is no "hierarchy", Atem just defended his throne once before Zorc.

 

[SomebodyData]

No, it was firmly stated in the manga and to a lesser degree in the anime that Zorc or the Tome (In the anime it is more of any mystical beast overall) has to give one power. Anubis contradicts that.

No, that's not true, it was mentioned to be a replica of the Millenium Puzzle.


Yeah there is, Zorc was the master of the Shadows and monsters etc, but Anubis apparently is the master of the Shadows and monsters.

 

[Imaginym]

I agree with Data. Regrettable as it may be, it sounds like much of Anubis's lore contradicts with Zorc's lore in the anime, having both try to fill the same role in the hierarchy, & adding new, contradictory lore about the Millenium Items.

MAYBE Anubis could get his own profile, but Pyramid of Light seems to contradict both manga & anime.

 

[Marco_Shark]

>Firmly stated in the manga.

I think i dont really have to say anything about this one.


And that is just a title, literally a non argument.

 

[Marco_Shark]

I agree with Data. Regrettable as it may be, it sounds like much of Anubis's lore contradicts with Zorc's lore in the anime, having both try to fill the same role in the hierarchy, & adding new, contradictory lore about the Millenium Items.
MAYBE Anubis could get his own profile, but Pyramid of Light seems to contradict both manga & anime.

are you reading what Data said? Seriosuly. Why are people coming out of nowhere and saying "I agree with Data" without any argument on their own?

Not to mention that Zorc never contradicts Anubis in any way.

 

[SomebodyData]

I would be fine with Anubis getting his own profile. Creating the Pyramid of Light alone is both a 8-C feat and Pocket Reality Manipulation / BFR which makes it quite good. And that's ignoring his invisibility and resurrection.

 

[Marco_Shark]

That would just be unaccurate.

The biggest thing Anubis has is using Magic/Trap cards irl.

And again, he is canon to the anime.

 

[SomebodyData]

>I think i dont really have to say anything about this one.

Are you just ignoring the literal next words after I said that?


Uh it kinda matters when it means that DM's monsters and dark magic somehow both originate from them.

As for Imag's comment, maybe its because I don't know, he agrees with it?

 

[Marco_Shark]

Yes, because it was already debunked before.

PoL shows clips from Season 3, there is no direct contradiiction in Season 5, and the PoL is not stated EVER to be a millenium item. There is literally no reason to not scale Anime Yugi from the movie.


It does not matter since Marik is also a Lord of Darkness, its a title most antagonists in Yugioh have, really.

 

[SomebodyData]

Debunked when?

Ye, because in the movie it takes place after season 3. That does not mean it is canon to it.

PoL is stated to be a replica of the Millenium Puzzle in the movie.


Lord of Darkness =/= Master and creator of it. (Keyword being creator)

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

I´ve just seen the movie again due to this thread.

And, i do agree that, by itself, the movie could have taken place between Seasons 3 and 4.

There isnt much that contradicts it, really.

And as Marco said, it also shows clips from the anime, so it shows that it has the intention to tie it into the anime.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Two posts above.

You claim that Zorc is just the only thing that Atem ever faced on his past, which you lack the proof for.


It is because, and i repeat. It shows clips from S3, Doesnt contradict anything, and there is no proof that Zorc is the only thing that threatened Atem´s reign...ever.


Post a timestamp for that, because i think you just made that up.


Was Anubis even stated to be that in the American Dub of the film? Because that one came out first.

Edit- Thanks MBP

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

Yeah, i dont really see any problems with scaling Anime Yugi to PoL.

 

[SomebodyData]

Do you want me to go over the contradicts for you @Megaboy?

Also I'm assuming you are a DB fan, so this example should make sense, but DBS shows clips from DB's anime, does that make DB anime canon to DBS then?

Heck they're not even clips from the anime if I remember correctly, they're scenes from yugioh overall drawn for the movie.

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

Wait, the DB Anime is canon to DBS, of course it is.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Marco

Strawman, never have I said Zorc is the only enemy Atem fought.

Read above

K

Being dubbed first doesn't mean anything?

 

[SomebodyData]

@Megaboy... uh, you should recheck it. It isn't canon to DBS... just ask anyone.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Please do illuminate me with the contradictions as well, Data.

Because i really, really think that you dont want to scale real life game mechanic use to Anime Yugi because he would have tons of hax.

 

[SomebodyData]

I will.

So you're calling me a downplayer?

 

[Marco_Shark]

Dont put words in my mouth.


Its just that you still have not presented legit contradictions between Season 5 and PoL.

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

DBS has clips from Kai in them, yet this wikia doesnt really consider it canon because frieza was in another hell.

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

But what does have to do with yugioh? Ive just seen the movie, and it has a pretty clear cut ending for it to fit anywhere on the timeline, sort of

 

[Marco_Shark]

I mean, what exactly is so wrong with scaling Anime Yugi to PoL?

Its canon to the anime.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Jesus... I am late to my own thread. Apologies...

If we take GX into account, scaling to Anubis wouldn't make sense considering the huge gap. Anubis ( Supposedly 8-C ) rivaling the Egyptian Gods in-lore considering it took a monster canonically superior to them... ( 5-B ) . I know we can always scale him to 5-B anyways... But still.

I have no comment about canonicity involving the movie. You're on your own there. That is a difficult thing to determine.

Also I didn't hear a clear cut answer. Considering what I said before [ About Yugi's deck creating an timeline ] : Would it be better to make a separate profile for GX Yugi, make a key, or apply the Low 2-C feat to the current anime scaling ?

 

[SomebodyData]

"Because i really, really think that you dont want to scale real life game mechanic use to Anime Yugi because he would have tons of hax."

??

Anyways, let me make the list first.

 

[SomebodyData]

@2nd actually I think I find a tier 7ish feat for Anubis, but yeah its still wildly inconsistent.

 

[Marco_Shark]

The High 8-C feat is because of the pyramid of light bursting thru the Kaiba Dome.

And he onlt destroyed the God cards with the Pyramid of light, not himself. He should be (Wathever the God card tier is in the anime verse, since there are some things that could put them to High 3-A) with the Pyramid.

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

I do think that Yugi´s deck created a timeline in GX, so he should really be Low 2-C in GX.


So, one vote for me.

 

[Marco_Shark]

I mean, if i let you get along with this and have PoL not being scaled to anime yugi, i cannot just ask for a PoL Yugi form/page because its either not canon or not different enough from regular Yugi.


Not that it really matters, since Paradox used the Malificent World and affected the entire universe, which is also Game Mechanic use irl

 

[SomebodyData]

Let's start with the beginning:

script here to prove my point

1. Yugi beats Kaiba to win Battle City, Marik comes before. (Anime depicts Marik after Kaiba.)

2. Paladin of the White Dragon, isn't a dragon, whereas its previous appearance in the anime has it as such. Heck half of the cards are different to their anime counterparts.

3. The aforementioned creator of darkness and monsters applying to both Zorc and Anubis somehow.

4. The Dagger of Fate's very existence. According to PoL, it is one of his main weapons as Pharaoh. Yet it does not exist in Season 5, the season where he would need it the most.

5. Zorc should have the PoL, given he needed all of the millennium items (and yes in the script it is mentioned to be a replica of the puzzle).

6. Given #5, Zorc should also be able to banish the Gods by merely existing, which is insane as it means the very final battle couldn't have happened.

7. PoL is not in Season 5, despite Bakura looking to steal all of the Millenium Items.

8. Just realized the movie was created by 4KIDS of all people. If this is canon, it is canon to 4KIDS's dub.

The list is gonna get bigger from here, I'll edit in everything else later.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Marco actually, the rules have changed. PoL Yugi can have his own page.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Yeah, but his tier would be too low. So ill push foward.

1.-(A big tough guy watches this on his private TV at home, his duel disk on the TV table beside him; the sound quality is less resounding and echoey than the large public screens. The screen shows Yugi exchanging a high-five with Joey at the end of the Battle City tournament, as Tristan, Téa, and Duke gather around.) Announcer (via speakers): --Yugi defeated former champ Seto Kaiba, to win it all.

This disproves your first point, the anniuncer puts Kaiba as the final match.

 

[SomebodyData]

Wow you did not read what I said. Kaiba being the final match in the movie is the problem. Marik was the final match in the anime. You literally proved my point.

 

[Marco_Shark]

2.-There are multiple instances of some cards have different effects than their rl counterparts, so k dont see this as such a major problem.

3.-There is not a single mention of the title "Master of" or "Creator of" in the entire script.

4.-It was buried alongside Anubis.

5.-there is no mention of it being a replica of the Millenium Puzzle in the entire script. Any specific terms used?

6.-The Pyramid of Light was also buried alongside Anubis, how could have Zorc found it or ever known about it?

7.-There is no statement that says it is a millenium item, please do tell me a specific quote for that.

8.-There is also a version for the Japanese dub, why yes it was made by a different company, it doesnt change its canonicity.

 

[Marco_Shark]

Hold it right there.

They also show Marik surrendering to Yugi in the last match of the Battle City Ark, why yes it is shown out of order, it doesnt mean that Kaiba was the last opponent, it only mentions that Kaiba was the former champion, who he indeed was.

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

Most of those are just nitpicks imo, i looked thru the script and couldnt find a single statement you said, pal.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Megaboy thats probably because you're only in parts 1-6, there are three more chapters (Its linked in the left part of the site I believe)

@Macro

2. Wasn't referring to real life counterparts, but to the very anime.

3. Read what I said to Marco

4. But then, wait. Anubis got sealed by the Pharaoh? Hold up let me check some stuff, but if I remember correctly, the sealing spell killed Yugi in the process with Zorc right?

5. Read my response to Marco

6. Zorc was the creator of all the items in the anime, which is why he should have known of it. Heck Bakura detects the items, doesn't he?

7. Gimme a sec.

8. The thing is, 4KIDs did their own canon, making it much likelier to be part of their canon than that of the original anime.

 

[Marco_Shark]

4.- Anubis got KILLED and buried. He wasnt sealed anywhere.

6.- The PoL is not a millenium item 8.-It doesnt change the fact that it got a Japanese Dub and that the anime came first, if anything, it having not only a japanese dub but a novelization implies the japanese also adapted it to the "japanese dub" canon.

 

[SomebodyData]

4. Anubis's soul got sealed, his body was killed.

6. It is literally stated to be a replica in one of the 4 chapters of the script, do you want me to find it for you?

8. Being dubbed or not doesn't mean anything canonicity wise actually. Otherwise, things like Wraith Arc would be non-canon, or Rebellion pre-dub for example. Yugioh examples wise, would include things like TRANSCEND GAME (2nd Seed can back me up here)

 

[Megaboy_Prime]

Yeah, Anubis was killed and buried under a pyramid.

There is no reason why Zorc would know about him nor the Pyramid of Light, and the Dagger was also buried alongside him.