Alright... this might be a bit of a long one, though not as long as one of the other arguments i have... but, here's an argument for Yogiri’s Boundlessness based on the feat of killing a hypothetical being...
1. What does boundless even mean in VSBW?
So, according to the Versus Battle Wiki (VSBW) tiering system, boundless characters are beings that exist beyond any kind of dimensional limits—whether it’s space, time, or reality itself. These guys aren’t just above 3D or 4D; they’re beyond any number of dimensions you could think of.
• Per VSBW’s boundless tier definition: “Characters classified as boundless are beyond all dimensional layers and concepts of space, time, and reality.”
• In simpler terms, boundless characters can affect things that exist outside of any framework of space, time, and even conceptual reality.
2. Yogiri’s feat: killing a hypothetical being
Yogiri killing a “hypothetical being” is pretty wild, and it directly ties into the idea of him being boundless.
• What’s a hypothetical being? It’s literally something that doesn’t exist in any form—no physical form, no metaphysical form, not even conceptual. It’s basically just an idea.
• The fact that Yogiri kills this being suggests that his power goes way beyond just killing things that “exist.” He’s able to affect something that’s purely hypothetical, which means he can influence things that aren’t even part of reality.
3. Why killing a hypothetical being proves boundlessness
To qualify as boundless, VSBW says a character has to transcend dimensions, space, time, and even the very concept of existence itself. Yogiri killing a hypothetical being checks all of those boxes.
• Per VSBW’s boundless tier requirements: “Boundless beings transcend all spatial, temporal, and dimensional constructs, as well as concepts like existence itself.”
• Yogiri’s power doesn’t care if something exists or not. He kills a being that’s not part of reality at all, which is a clear sign that his abilities extend beyond existence.
• He’s also completely ignoring cause and effect. He doesn’t need traditional logic to apply his ability. The idea that he can kill something that doesn’t exist shows he’s not tied to the normal rules of the universe. That’s a big deal in VSBW’s criteria for boundless characters.
4. How Yogiri fits the VSBW rules
Let’s look at how Yogiri’s hypothetical killing feat matches the VSBW Boundless Tier Explanation: “Boundless characters must be able to transcend any and all dimensional layers and affect reality in ways that go beyond even infinite-dimensional constructs.”
• Yogiri transcends dimensional layers: The fact that he can kill a being that doesn’t exist means he’s operating on a level that’s far beyond space, time, or even reality. He can affect things that don’t fit into any dimensional system at all.
• Since a hypothetical being isn’t confined to any dimension or reality, Yogiri affecting it shows that his powers are truly beyond all of these things.
5. What about counter-arguments?
There will always be people trying to argue against boundless claims, but most of those arguments can be easily countered.
• “It’s just hyperbole”: Nope. The narrative consistently backs up that Yogiri’s powers work beyond dimensions and reality. It’s not just a one-off moment or exaggeration.
Brushing it off as hyperbole would be an appeal to ignorance fallacy, because there’s no evidence that it’s anything but literal. • “Hypothetical beings aren’t boundless”: The thing with hypothetical beings is that they don’t exist in any form. Yogiri affecting them means he operates on a level that transcends any known ontological structure or existence. So yeah, it absolutely supports boundlessness. • “This is a no-limits fallacy”: A no-limits fallacy would only apply if Yogiri’s powers weren’t consistently demonstrated, but in this case, his abilities are consistent. He’s repeatedly shown to kill things outside of conventional reality, like gods or beings immune to death. His powers are backed up by the narrative, not just empty claims.
And as for those who try to dismiss the hypothetical being feat…
I’ve seen an attempt to dismiss this feat… but even if you don’t take it literally (which you should because the narrative clearly supports it, and it would be fallacious to assume otherwise), it still reinforces the idea of his boundlessness because Yogiri assumes something might be in a particular location, and whether or not it’s actually there, it still dies. His power works on the assumption alone, meaning he doesn’t need to confirm its existence for his ability to take effect. This shows he operates beyond traditional logic and perception, reinforcing the argument that he transcends concepts like existence or non-existence, making him boundless.
6. Quotes and supporting evidence
Here are some important quotes that back this up:
• VSBW Boundless Tier: “Characters classified as boundless are beyond all dimensional layers and concepts of space, time, and reality.”
• Yogiri’s hypothetical being kill: He kills something that doesn’t exist in any form, which fits perfectly with the idea of a boundless being that transcends reality itself.
• Author Q&A: “No matter how many dimensions are stacked, they will never reach him.” This confirms that Yogiri’s powers aren’t limited by any dimensional or existential hierarchy, which aligns him with the VSBW’s boundless tier requirements.
Conclusion:
Based on Yogiri’s feat of killing a hypothetical being, it’s clear that he logically scales to boundless, according to Versus Battle Wiki standards. His ability to kill something that doesn’t exist shows he can affect things outside of dimensional frameworks, space, time, and even the concept of existence itself. That’s exactly what boundlessness means in the VSBW.
I've tried to look at it from so many logical stand points and honestly.... there's really no strong argument against Yogiri being boundless with the consistent feats and narrative backing him. Any counter-arguments are just misunderstandings or fall flat.
And, just because the VSBW page currently has him scaled a certain way doesn’t mean it’s set in stone. The page changes all the time, and the people running it are human, just like us. Characters get upscaled or downscaled regularly as new arguments or feats come up. I believe a solid argument like this one could easily lead to a re-evaluation of his standing, as it’s based on consistent evidence and logical reasoning. I know there's yogiri haters and supporters, but if you look at it from a logical point of view, everything changes all the time.
ps... Even if you ignore the whole hypothetical being thing, one of the other arguments for him being boundless is based on set theory, but I won’t dive into that right now because it gets... tedious. might save that for another time or post it later when I feel like it.
