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Yhwach VS Sigmar
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Sigmar resists both of Almighty's powers (even if the page was properly updated but I digress) so this turns into a brawl immediately due to his lack of passive hax and shittons of resistances, unlike Archaon's fight with Yhwach.
Yhwach can't put Sigmar down for any real length of time and Sigmar can damage Yhwach beyond his ability to regen or resurrect himself, so unless I'm missing something this seems like a stomp in Sigmar's favor.
Yhwach can't put Sigmar down for any real length of time and Sigmar can damage Yhwach beyond his ability to regen or resurrect himself, so unless I'm missing something this seems like a stomp in Sigmar's favor.
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Basically what HI3 said, Sigmar resists the Almighty and basically anything Yhwach can throw at him, and in a physical AP fight, sigmar has a minor advantage but that can turn into a large advantage with all of his buffs, AND he can negate Yhwach's immortalities and regen
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Huh. Yhwach getting Negged just like that by another 5-B. What do you know.
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Sigmar is way too much of a chad for Ywach
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Stomp or what?
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It's definitely more of a fight than Yhwach's bout with Archaon since he doesn't just instantly get wiped by his passives, but I'm pretty sure he just cannot really do anything to actually beat Sigmar's vessel, all his go to shit get's resisted, he's going to be forced into close combat with Sigmar, and from there Sigmar can tank it out, while any blow he does to Yhwach is going to deal serious damage AND actually last. so imo it's a stomp.
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What if I changed Yhwach to his Soul King Absorbed key? Would that change anything?
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I would say to give YH all of his powers
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I'll try that. How about Post-Power Absorption Yhwach?
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Sternritter's Schrift has been added.
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I'll come back later since is already late for me
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Gives Ywach more options but Sigmar just ******* resists everything. He also negs Ywach's Low-Godly. Sigmar still resists all his shit and proceeds to bash his head in with Ghal Moraz
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His low godly comes from his type 8
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Confused.
How does he resist Almighty? I don’t see anything besides in his 2-B powers tab
How does he resist Almighty? I don’t see anything besides in his 2-B powers tab
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Sigmar can entirely resist this ability "Aethyr Manipulation" which is consists of fate manipulation, causality manipulation and even conceptual manipulation (type 2) etc on 2-B degree. So how does Yhwach stand a chance to win while Sigmar has massively stronger haxes and resistances?
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Can he resist getting physically absorbed? Or his powers absorbed? What’s his soul resistance scaled too?
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He possesses multiple souls and he resists Nagash's soul hax which is in the billions if not trillions. He doesn't specifically resist absorption but it won't put him down for good due to type 6/9 immortality.
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Oh wait so is Ywach 5-A in this key?
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When he absorbs someone he can gain their powers and abilities
Edit- Yes he is 5-A
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Ywach can't interact with his abilities/powers as they are abstract/non-existent in nature due to being made out of Aethyr.
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He would know how to wield it due how his absorption works.
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Why not.
He has resistance to Physical/Soul and Power absoption through Aethyr Manipulation or will be passively nulled by The Crown of Sorcery, So Yhwach's abilities are completely meaningless against Sigmar anyway.
This was explained in Aethyr Manipulation's page, just read it.
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His absorption resistance does not seem to be physical
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I’m not stupid. I looked for absorption and it’s only energy absorption there. And I know he resist soul manipulation.
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Can't Biological absorption be prevented by resisting Biological manipulation? Yhwach also will have a problem with the Ghal Moraz by only its presence.
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Sigmar doesn't have crown of sorcery in this key. Ywach isn't going to be able to use Sigmar's powers after absorbing him so honestly forget about that. He isn't using Aethyr Manipulation for any useful benefits anyway because it's stupidly complex to use. Sigmars divine stuff (EE/Durability negation/Aura) is all from his 2-B self that exists in the warp. Also Aethyr Manipulation isn't something you can even gain by absorbing someone. It's like an aspect of reality intrinsically. It's not Sigmar's power specifically.
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You have to check his profile again, according to the Incarnate of Azyr's key, he isn't using Aethyr manipulation but he is incredibly resistant to "all the different lores of Magic" a.k.a Aethyr manipulation.
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Brah I made Sigmar's profile and the Aethyr Manipulation page lol. Aethyr Manipulation doesn't specifically give you resistance to absorption. Absorption is one of the things in the Warhammer World that tends to work on everyone actually, the Gods are constantly attempting to/absorbing each other. The problem is, physical absorption isn't going to put Sigmar down for good. He's just gonna make another avatar and instantly teleport back to the fight.
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You said Sigma isn't using Aethyr manipulation, then why did you write this "Each incarnate contains the energies of an entire Wind of Magic" on Sigmar's profile? while You already know that Aethyr and Wind of Magic are the same thing.
That means Sigmar is able to use Aethyr manipulation in 5-B key.
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Yes, it's literally in his notable techniques. I never said he isn't using Aethyr Manipulation I said Ywach isn't gonna absorb it because he can't interact with it.
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What does that matter if it's out-of-character for him to use it?
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He would probs try something weird after he realises the Almighty doesn't work but yeah he doesn't use the sternritter shrifts even in this key unless he really has too.
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No, when he is put on this key (with the shrifts) YH is considered to be ooc so him using everything would not be ooc considering the key itself makes him be ooc
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Yeah, basically the only things Yhwach gains here that would be of any use that doesn't get resisted, is his direct AP and POSSIBLY his biological absorption, but considering it is through biological manipulation that most likely gets resisted through his Aethyr resistances, BUT if it isn't, all that would do is get rid of one single avatar, which Sigmar would simply respond by getting a new avatar and making sure not to get caught by such an ability a second time while pulling out all the stops this time. As per Sigmar's methods of putting him down, AP doesn't really matter when all of Sigmar's hammer blows are going to ignore durability, negate immortality type 7 and 8, negate low-godly regen, and just the presence of Ghal Maraz is going to cause Yhwach pain, on top of that he can blind him with light, and if push comes to shove, he can utilize EE (while not as potent as his God-King form, he can still use it to wipe out Yhwach) or BFR him to the Tzeentch's Crystal Labyrinth where his mind would be shattered instantly.
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I was talking about Sigmar. it is not in-character for him to use stuff that is outright Aethyr/Wind of Magic shit.
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It it is in character for him to pull off any of his moves I've mentioned, let just the win conditions however
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Using Azyr manipulation is absolutely in character for Sigmar. His opening move is usually nuking with lightning but yeah again it doesn't matter because he isn't going to be able to absorb the Wind of Azyr from Sigmar. Doing this required the Eye of Sheerian which ignores his resistances and can interract with the Wind.
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Hell we even have an example of someone trying to forcibly absorb a wind of magic with Van Horstmann a incredibly powerful chaos sorcerer, he tried absorbing one of the winds and was instantly destroyed
