Yellow/Orange Mask Obito Speed Revision

[MinatoSparkle]

YM/OM Obito's speed sections are currently as follows:

At least Sub-Relativistic (Kept up with and reacted to Minato Namikaze) | At least Sub-Relativistic (Faster than before)

Justification wise, this is not invalid (even if I have some...opinions regarding OM Obito), but Obito's justification should not say he kept up with Minato while he's rated as 5x slower. He should simply scale to Relativistic, and I've added scans + Minato's statements about him. In addition, I've added feats to OM Obito that don't change his rating, but support it.

At least Relativistic (Kept up with Minato Namikaze, seeing right through his moves, and forcing him to make creative use of Flying Raijin to bypass Kamui. Minato stated that Naruto would need to master Kurama's power to stand against and hope to have any chance of defeating Obito, meaning he's clearly superior to Sage Mode Naruto. Minato also deduced that Obito was using Pain after making note of his combat ability, implying superiority) | At least Relativistic (Faster than before. Obito saved Sasuke from Onoki's Particle Style without him or Karin noticing. He also raised his hand before Kakashi Hatake could activate Kamui, despite Kakashi being quick enough to teleport Sasuke's Susano'o Arrow with it. Blitzed a fatigued Konan)

Agree: Nierre, DarkDragonMedeus, LordGriffin1000, Godernet, ssgengar, Speedblitzer50, NeoKingOfLight, XSOULOFCINDERX

Disagree: BeTheWay1rst

Neutral:

 

[Godernet]

btw I'm working on Obito's profile rn so if you have any more plans for him lmk

I agree

 

[MinatoSparkle]

btw I'm working on Obito's profile rn so if you have any more plans for him lmk

I agree

I may eventually propose Minato/Obito~KCM2 Naruto in speed but that remains to be seen

 

[ssgengar]

Easy agree. Though shouldn’t he be “At least Relativistic”

 

[MinatoSparkle]

True

 

[Godernet]

I may eventually propose Minato/Obito~KCM2 Naruto in speed but that remains to be seen

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Thanks

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Agree

 

[Nierre]

looks great, good job

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

No, Oboto didn't keep up with Minato at all, even with a sneak attack, we see that Minato movement speed is way above Obito movement. The sharingan Enhanced Sight, Analytical Prediction, Information Analysis on top of Kamui are what saved Obito, seeing through moves is literally what the Sharingan do. Obito own speed doesn't scale to Kamui so Minato using his creativity to bypass it doesnt mean anything.
Minato who was stronger than Obito was weaker than Kurama, seeng that Minato didn't have any means to know how strong Naruto on his own would be in the fututre when he said "Naruto would need to master Kurama's power to stand against and hope to have any chance of defeating Obito". Minato thinking that future Naruto would need half of Kurama power to replicate something he did while being mentally nerfed and without sage mode just prove how little he was thinking about Naruto.
There is also no line about Obito using Pain, it was only about using Kurama

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I disagree

 

[MinatoSparkle]

No, Oboto didn't keep up with Minato at all, even with a sneak attack, we see that Minato movement speed is way above Obito movement.

We quite literally see them match each other in movement too, Minato only massively outspeeds Obito with Shunshin, not his basic chakra enhanced speed

The sharingan Enhanced Sight, Analytical Prediction, Information Analysis on top of Kamui are what saved Obito, seeing through moves is literally what the Sharingan do. Obito own speed doesn't scale to Kamui so Minato using his creativity to bypass it doesnt mean anything.

I'm fine with making a separate section for his reaction speed feats, but he scales physically too

Minato who was stronger than Obito was weaker than Kurama, seeng that Minato didn't have any means to know how strong Naruto on his own would be in the fututre when he said "Naruto would need to master Kurama's power to stand against and hope to have any chance of defeating Obito". Minato thinking that future Naruto would need half of Kurama power to replicate something he did while being mentally nerfed and without sage mode just prove how little he was thinking about Naruto.

Minato is weaker than Kurama sure, but not slower in practical combat, which is what's important against Obito. Also he's literally telling Naruto he needs to get stronger after witnessing his whole fight against the Paths of Pain. And that doesn't show he's not thinking about Naruto, just that Minato is that much superior.

There is also no line about Obito using Pain, it was only about using Kurama

Are we reading the same page??

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Minato only massively outspeeds Obito with Shunshin, not his basic chakra enhanced speed

???

I'm fine with making a separate section for his reaction speed feats, but he scales physically too

No, he doesn't scale physically, only his sharingan perception.

Also he's literally telling Naruto he needs to get stronger after witnessing his whole fight against the Paths of Pain. And that doesn't show he's not thinking about Naruto, just that Minato is that much superior.

Where ? He only hoped than Naruto would bring peace and rebuild Konoha.
I say Minato wasn't thinking that much about Naruto if for him future Naruto whold Kurama to replicate a feat that he did while nerfed

Are we reading the same page??

I see it now.
But then Minato explained that he used Pain's hatred against Konoha which would make Obito a mastermind, it was about emotional IQ at best, nothing more.
Black Zetsu also used Indra, Madara.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

???

No, he doesn't scale physically, only his sharingan perception.

See the 3rd, 5th, and 6th pages here (he literally physically tags him in the 3rd page)

Where ? He only hoped than Naruto would bring peace and rebuild Konoha.
I say Minato wasn't thinking that much about Naruto if for him future Naruto whold Kurama to replicate a feat that he did while nerfed

He's specifically saying he sealed Kurama in him to have enough power to confront Obito. Your last sentence is not an argument, I'm not even seeing what your point is

I see it now.
But then Minato explained that he used Pain's hatred against Konoha which would make Obito a mastermind, it was about emotional IQ at best, nothing more.
Black Zetsu also used Indra, Madara.

That guy saw through all my moves (praising his combat ability) > He's no ordinary shinobi (very explicitly praising his combat ability) > He's using Pain (conclusion from previous two sentences)

Minato's just theorizing about how Obito could use Pain's hatred, but he doesn't actually know much of anything about his ability to manipulate from his brief encounter with him

 

[Godernet]

Obito caught Minato twice, he had to teleport out both times.

Minato says after watching movements twice that he'll have to aim for a very precisely aimed strike to get him. Not something he would need to do if he was much faster than Obito.

They run at each other in similar starting stances and Obito's hand almost reaches Minato fractions of a second faster than Minato's Rasengan can reach him.

They're blatantly very comparable combat speed-wise, with Minato's skill in FTG being his biggest advantage during this interaction.

 

[Godernet]

Minato also deduced that Obito was using Pain after making note of his combat ability, implying superiority. Seeing as Obito can ignore attack potency and durability with Kamui, these statements would primarily be in reference to speed)

I will say I feel like this part of the justification is a tad unnecessary tbh

talking about his Kamui and how it ignores Dura is kinda just padding in a section solely meant to highlight speed.

no matter how Obito would be able to deal damage to Pain or SM Naruto, it's a given that he would need to be able to tag them, so just the statements of Minato having watched the entire Pain fight and still believing Naruto needs Kurama's chakra to fight Obito should be more than enough.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I will say I feel like this part of the justification is a tad unnecessary tbh

talking about his Kamui and how it ignores Dura is kinda just padding in a section solely meant to highlight speed.

no matter how Obito would be able to deal damage to Pain or SM Naruto, it's a given that he would need to be able to tag them, so just the statements of Minato having watched the entire Pain fight and still believing Naruto needs Kurama's chakra to fight Obito should be more than enough.

True, I'll remove that part

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

The Minato/Obito speed discussion is giving me flashbacks to our debate!

I agree with what your (MS) & @Godernet’s positions here.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with the OP.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The logic is fine; it's just a bit sus for obito to be faster than the raikage who is the fastest shinobi alive. Though one could argue obito identity being unknown exempt's him from the statement

 

[Samlex1234]

Isn't white mask Obito ~ Kcm 1 Naruto ~ V1 Raikage?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Isn't white mask Obito ~ Kcm 1 Naruto ~ V1 Raikage?

Are they like rel now?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The logic is fine; it's just a bit sus for obito to be faster than the raikage who is the fastest shinobi alive. Though one could argue obito identity being unknown exempt's him from the statement

Yeah Ay's literally never seen him fight

Isn't white mask Obito ~ Kcm 1 Naruto ~ V1 Raikage?

It's a bit unclear since Naruto's profile says he's faster than V2 Ay without making any mention of an amp, while Ay's profile says he kept up with KCM Naruto in V1. Also Obito overwhelmed a Post-Kurama coop KCM Naruto

 

[Samlex1234]

It's a bit unclear since Naruto's profile says he's faster than V2 Ay without making any mention of an amp, while Ay's profile says he kept up with KCM Naruto in V1. Also, Obito overwhelmed a Post-Kurama coop KCM Naruto

Naruto is faster than V2 Raikage with his reaction speed and a top speed which you can call (shunshin) however he is relative to V1 Raikage in his regular combat speed who is relative to Minato. Minato however is higher than V2 Raikage only with reaction speed and teleportation.

Also Obito overwhelmed a Post-Kurama coop KCM Naruto

White mask Obito?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto is faster than V2 Raikage with his reaction speed and a top speed which you can call (shunshin) however he is relative to V1 Raikage in his regular combat speed who is relative to Minato. Minato however is higher than V2 Raikage only with reaction speed and teleportation.

I disagree But would rather not get into it here cause it's not really the topic

White mask Obito?

Yes

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think this update/upgrade is fine.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nice, should be good to apply after 24 hours then

 

[karo_senpaii]

Nice, should be good to apply after 24 hours then

you can apply now, you could have applied then immediately even. It's from thread creation date not approval date

 

[MinatoSparkle]

O, alright then, I'll do that soon

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's a miracle, I got a CRT accepted and applied in less than a week!

Obito Uchiha

Obito Uchiha was a Konohagakure's Uchiha clan member. He was believed to have died during the Third Shinobi World War. His only surviving legacy was the Sharingan he gave to his teammate, Kakashi Hatake. In truth, Obito was saved from death and trained by Madara Uchiha. Still, the war events...

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