Now it's working. Gonna be honest, I don't see how those guys with unique magic are comparable to Yami in any way other than Yami fearing their magic, not their physical conditions themselves. Why don't you answer a few questions here?
This isn't NLF, Mana is literally the source of all spells in BC, don't throw that word around when it's not relevant.
What makes you think Dimension Slash is slow to begin with? A non amped Dimension Slash is already fast enough to force Dante to teleport instead, even though he's been using his sheer speed to dodge all attacks prior to that.
Homing Attack is only active via his thirds. And that's discarding the absurd range disadvantage Renatus has to begin with
Cool I guess?
Proof that Renatus can do so ?
I don't have gyze nor know how to use it. Try refreshing it a bunch of times.
Yami is smart, he knows what to use and won't wait. If he can't kill him he just knocks him out.
A weaker character being able to knock out stronger ones has always been a thing, otherwise most matches would be over just by the AP difference.
Elves have a forcefield of Mana that acts like a barrier. They also use their magic to increase their defensive abilities, so they are more than just magically strong.
Because he can't kill him.
Yami had hard time to even hit Dante to begin with because of his base speed coupled with speed amps with heavy infighting, teleportation and Spatial Manipulation.
Elves are quite literally more skilled than Magic Knights.
Characters like Mereoleona have Info Analysis too (Mana based even so I'd argue it's even more impressive) and yet he was still able to caught her off guard at few times despite Mereoleona being so fast not even Yami's own detection abilities could track her. Add that with Mana Zone, Condense and super Condense, there is no way Yami isn't tagging Renatus.
Power null for what?
What's that's gonna do? Renatus immortality is not tried to his Thirds and his amps comes from summons not thirds. Thirds is just hax. I don't know why you people are obsessed with destroying thirds so much as it some kind of Wincon.
For how many hours? Renatus is superior to Dot and Lance who can go for weeks with constantly fighting a strong opponent whole maintaining telekinesis ability without any rest against an stronger opponent. Renatus has more magic power than them. Yami is not lasting above Renatus with just mana absorption without showing feats for lasting on that much.
Summons are not equivalent to spells unless you can definitively prove otherwise. Even if we assume they are spells, negating one form of energy does not imply the ability to negate all types. Magic operates uniquely across different verses.
Proof for Yami doing this for some summons
You are just misleading my argument. I never said the DS is slow. I said it takes a stance before firing. There is an opening for that, and destroying the thirds isn't even a win condition here.
Ok Cool still destroying the third isn't a Wincon
Destroying Third isn't even a Wincon. You are acting like it would just negate his sts and Immortality
It's already in his profile; check the common abilities. The wand is part of their body. Renatus's main concept is immortality. I don't see why he can't regenerate his wand when others can. If that's the case, Doom would have just destroyed the wand. Or any other characters would have done the same. You don't need to spoon-feed everything, which is already shown by others, which works like physiology.
Renatus is also a genius, one of the prodigies in the verse, so he is not an idiot to fall for knocking out tactics.
No one denied that; read what I said again. I said a character needs feats for that; you can't just claim they can knock down opponents stronger than them, even though their feats are knocking down weaker opponents. Knocking down a stronger opponent is a skill-based feat, so they need to showcase the skills.
Cool still they don't have proof for putting on the same level as Yami.
Same situation as Dante.
Correct me if I'm wrong? he literally blitzes (I'm not talking about amped dante but initial clash) him and destroys his body, and you are saying he is having a hard time. What makes you think he wouldn't have a hard time when Renatus summons keeps pressing on him? And does he have feats for using Black Moon and speed blitz at the same time?
They are skilled in using mana not fighting skills unless you show me where those fodders has some good fighting skills
Did he knocked her down?
It states 2 days on their profile. Dot and Lance were fighting for a week 7 Days not 4 where did you get that? Orter was the one who was keeping them busy by continuously attacking them who is DV like Renatus and has shown no break time so far.
His Black moon range is very limited as far as I see. Match starts from 4KMS because of SBA. Also Renatus has teleportation he uses in character. He went behind Domina after casting illusions. teleportation is a common skill so it's already listed in common abilities page. Renatus can just switch places and wear Yami down when he just keep attacking from longer distance while Yami keeps Negating spells within his range.
Cancelling summons isn't gonna be a Wincons when he can just outlast him.
No one said anything about superiority; it's about the magic, him having more than them, which is clearly the case for them surviving 7 days against Orter.
Doom beat him up by bypassing his regeneration speed. Doom is MFTL+ while Yami isn't. Yami needs the same speed as Doom to negate Renatus' regeneration. Stop acting like Renatus lost due to stamina. He clearly mentioned his regeneration couldn't keep up with the speed of Doom's attacks. Spamming Death Thrust with SOL, FTL, or the highest BC speed, which is currently accepted as MFTL, doesn't do much. Renatus' base speed would be around supersonic (which is getting updated in Renatus' profile). Dude's regeneration was able to keep up with MFTL+ attack speed for hours, as @AnAverageUsername explained. The profile weakness clearly explains and even has the scans.
Then you can start reading Mushoku Tensei web novelThe **** I wake up to, I'm going to have to read through so much
Yami just gets drained because of consistently using his power. Also, the speed blitzing of Yami is not on the same level as Doom's, so his attacks aren't doing much.
I have watched BC and I don't remember denying anything regarding Ki Precognition. When did I say anything about that?
Your scan itself states that his speed overwhelmed Renatus's regeneration. Nowhere does it state that he beat him again and again, so he lost due to stamina. We don't even see a single drop of sweat or any sign of fatigue from Renatus. It's dishonest to say he lost due to stamina when there is zero evidence for that.
It's just you are admitting you can't find a proof for your claim that's all.
So what feat does Yami have for fighting for days? Are you conceding that Yami doesn't have the same level of stamina as Asta and Nacht? Can you even prove that Yami can fight for 8 hours straight without running out of stamina?
I guess we already reached an conclusion with this. There is no need to continue this back & forth.
So I'm confused. It erases spells, but sucks them up? Could you explain it more thoroughly, if that's alright?
Oh so it's a combination of spells for a greater one. With mana zone gaining the properties of black moon on a wider scale? Pretty neat.
Exactly.
the shade, my god....
I think Ryu would outscale massively if the same keys are used not sure about Final Key of Yami.
I know this new schedule is good for Tabata's health, but new revisions sure are rough now huh....Not much difference in final key aside mo pawa. Yami is definitely gonna get a power up in a few chapters so few years
Ladros vs Asta is a masterpiece
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I mean if that's true, Tabata really is that guy. Him.Ladros vs Asta is a masterpiece
When he changed the magazine, his wife so ill, he chose his priority in life like Dot would do
Or this is what think happened, the details are always confusing or fake
I'm going to be honest, I don't think anyone knows what happened besides Doom winning, and being "HIM" by taking down a Thirds.Finally the fight: I just think 2 death thrust can do the trick unless Renatus is able to use his third but Yami by fights, Yami has fight someone like Renatus who is constantly regenerating so he would go for the kill with his ultimate move and his death thrust could destroy the torso of a semi gigant, in that fight, he can use one, wait a moment, another one and continue but Dante was just instantly healing itself and never tiring himself
It would depend if the first one can destroy like 80% of renatus body, I have not read doom fight, but was doom destroying 80% of the body with one attack? It was multiple ones right? Because Renatus can have high speed regen but if the attacks are not destroying half of the body, the regen (for what I know) must take more time to regen larger parts
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And this scan of his page, there are multiple parts of the body, death thrust, does not leave any parts at all if landed, it would be like this but on a way larger scale:
And finally, at the end of the fight, Renatus regen "can't keep up", but why then he is standing tired with his full body? (wounded, but in the panel I am still seeing his arms, legs, etc). And suddenly he is cut in half and gg, no regeneration? I don't understand why someone who is still not KO and that have high mid regen can't regen from being bysected and that the problem is "he is being speedblitzed so he can't regen", that makes no sense
I am not voting because I just maybe don't understand the full context of the fight and powers of the characters in the fight but after reading the Renatus' page, the scans 5 times and others opinion, this is how I see the fight
Or maybe is rocket science
@AnAverageUsername voted for Renatus. Anyway I'm dropping out of this thread. Just disregard my vote not interested in this thread anymore. Lost interest in BC matches.
Cmon, I'm not talking about the regeneration if it's making you pissy. I'm referring to the fight as a whole, how it was offscreened after that point, and I'm disappointed about that since Renatus is very cool, jeez.
