Yagura Karatachi (and other Edo Jins) Revision

[LordTracer]

So Yagura Karatachi finally has a page! And it already needs to be revised

The current page scales his alive self above Mei and Kisame for no real reason. It says “via powerscaling” which isn’t a proper justification.

His Edo key scales him to reflecting KCM Naruto, even though that a feat for his mirror jutsu and only his mirror jutsu. His V2 stats are also a different tier and list his Bijuudama there for some reason, even though none of the other jinchūriki profiles do that.

Here’s my revised version of the profile, shout out to @UchihaSlayer96 for helping out with this.

Also minor revision for the the other Edo Jinchūriki, they currently have “Her abilities were enhanced by having the Sharingan and Rinnegan[1]” listed in their Attack Potency, but it should be listed in a note at the bottom of the page.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

shout out to @UchihaSlayer96 for helping out with this.

Thanks, but I gotta mention that @KingTempest helped me get the most tricky references.

Anyway, this looks good. Definitely an improvement over the current profile.

 

[KingTempest]

Thanks, but I gotta mention that @KingTempest helped me get the most tricky references.

Yeah this looks fine

 

[Theendzero13]

This is fine

 

[AdNiBN002]

I agree with these changes.

There are also some attacks that Yagura/Isobu exclusively performed in the anime (i was informed in hindsight that anime feats aren't accepted and i am not sure if that includes techniques aswell) that can be removed from the Notable attack sections if that isn't accepted.

Specifically:

Fūton: Taifūikka
Suiton: Daikaisuidan
And Genjutsu

The "Yagura is capable of using this attack in his V2 Jinchūriki Cloak and his full Bijū transformation" can also be removed from the Bijūdama description if that's the case, as he only did that in the Anime.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oh, I should mention that I added some resistances to Yagura's profile yesterday, so those shouldn't be removed when the changes from this thread are applied.

 

[AdNiBN002]

Quick question: How come Yagura is being scaled to Kisame and Zabuza's 7-B Attack Potency, but not Mei's High 7-A?

 

[LordTracer]

There’s no real reason to assume Mei was at her War Arc levels of power while Yagura was still the Mizukage.

 

[AdNiBN002]

Fair enough, i have no more questions.

 

[LordTracer]

@UchihaSlayer96, would you mind pinging Damage so we can get his input here?

 

[Arkenis]

I feel like base Yagura is being a bit downplayed. Why is he only city level in the sandbox but his actual profile is high 7-a?

 

[LordTracer]

There’s no real reason to assume Mei was at her War Arc levels of power while Yagura was still the Mizukage.

 

[Arkenis]

But why is he being scaled below Kisame samehada fusion and Mei in the war? Is it just lack of evidence for him?

 

[LordTracer]

There is literally no reason for him to scale to either of those.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with the OP.

 

[AdNiBN002]

Would "At least 7-B, possibly High 7-A" be better? As Mei's High 7-A rating does include feats from the FKS and there isn't any indication that Mei grew noticeably stronger between Yagura's death and the FKS

 

[LordTracer]

Would "At least 7-B, possibly High 7-A" be better? As Mei's High 7-A rating does include feats from the FKS and there isn't any indication that Mei grew noticeably stronger between Yagura's death and the FKS

Aside from the fact that there’s a significant amount of time between Yagura’s death and the Five Kage Summit, there’s still no good reason to assume Mei has always been the exact same strength.

 

[Arkenis]

Aside from the fact that there’s a significant amount of time between Yagura’s death and the Five Kage Summit, there’s still no good reason to assume Mei has always been the exact same strength.

Is there anything to suggests she's trained? Also yaguras death was just shortly before part 1 iirc. So about 3 or 4 years since he died. Nothing really implies she got stronger or trained.

 

[Arkenis]

And another thing that I find kinda wrong or at least random is why is his mirror jutsu stronger in edo than in base?

 

[LordTracer]

Is there anything to suggests she's trained? Also yaguras death was just shortly before part 1 iirc. So about 3 or 4 years since he died. Nothing really implies she got stronger or trained.

Let’s see, Mei scales to Madara, who scales to KCM2 Naruto, who scales above Kakashi and Guy, who scale to the V2 jinchūriki, which would include Yagura… and you want to scale his weaker, alive base form to that. That makes no sense whatsoever.

And another thing that I find kinda wrong or at least random is why is his mirror jutsu stronger in edo than in base?

It’s literally Varies in both keys, what-

 

[Arkenis]

It’s literally Varies in both keys, what-

Yea but my problem is that if he can create clones as strong as his opponent then his chakra would correlate to that no? His Jutsu takes chakra, his physicals take chakra. idk why its being considered that much of a difference.

Let’s see, Mei scales to Madara, who scales to KCM2 Naruto, who scales above Kakashi and Guy, who scale to the V2 jinchūriki, which would include Yagura… and you want to scale his weaker, alive base form to that. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I guess but it doesn't really seem accurate to the portrayal of Mei, I disagree with her ap rating but it doesn't really matter ig. Otherwise his speed is fine

 

[LordTracer]

Yea but my problem is that if he can create clones as strong as his opponent then his chakra would correlate to that no? His Jutsu takes chakra, his physicals take chakra. idk why its being considered that much of a difference.

The mirror jutsu is a textbook Varies tier. There’s no reason to assume the reflections scale to Yagura himself.

And again, there is no difference between the mirror jutsu in his alive and Edo keys because they’re both Varies.

 

[Arkenis]

The mirror jutsu is a textbook Varies tier. There’s no reason to assume the reflections scale to Yagura himself.

And again, there is no difference between the mirror jutsu in his alive and Edo keys because they’re both Varies.

So you don't think its using chakra to power it? Thats kinda what im saying and if he has biju levels of chakra in his reserve then he should be able to clone such power like he did with bee and Naruto. And it can be at least but I think it varies above 7-A considering its shown feat.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Damage isn't online atm, but I'll ping him so he can see this later.

@Damage3245 could you please help evaluate this?

 

[LordTracer]

So you don't think its using chakra to power it?

I don’t think it scales to Yagura’s own stats.

And it can be at least but I think it varies above 7-A considering its shown feat.

It’s not getting a tier other than Varies because it’s based entirely on who’s getting reflected.

 

[Damage3245]

Sandbox seems fine for Yagura.

 

[Nierre]

Sandbox seems fine for Yagura.

 

[LordTracer]

Sandbox seems fine for Yagura.

Thank you. Since there’s been three staff approvals, I’ll apply this.

 

[LordTracer]

Changes have been applied, this can be closed.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Alright then, closing.