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Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Spoiler Discussion Thread

Real number domain speeds could be upscaled from Shion flying through 1.41 parsecs in Real Space all the way to Miltia's range in seconds. I also want to specify that this should be specifically for Travel Speed. There are so many reactions and fights against things from the Imaginary Number Domain that are functioning in multiple dimensions of time and liberated from all laws of physics or material limitations, further backed up by how they can access the UMN on foot that Scaling to the Imaginary Number Domain Speeds would probably just be Immeasurable.
 
Magicomethkuon said:
Real number domain speeds could be upscaled from Shion flying through 1.41 parsecs in Real Space all the way to Miltia's range in seconds. I also want to specify that this should be specifically for Travel Speed. There are so many reactions and fights against things from the Imaginary Number Domain that are functioning in multiple dimensions of time and liberated from all laws of physics or material limitations, further backed up by how they can access the UMN on foot that Scaling to the Imaginary Number Domain Speeds would probably just be Immeasurable.
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This is without hyperspace right?
 
Good question, why isn't Pyra's keys like this?

Pyra | Mythra | Mythra (Pneuma's sword) | Pneuma

As Mythra is stronger then Pyra and Mythra was using a fraction of Pneuma's power against malos and easily stomped him
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Pyra and Mythra also seem to get significantly stronger after Pneuma’s awakening
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Yeah, that too

Also the fact Malos was weakened due to his core crystal being damaged and when he got it fixed he was stronger then ever and he could briefly fight against Mythra with part of Pneuma's power which is in line with him beating up the end game party basically
 
I’ll make it soon

That said, I don’t think Mythra should be Low 1-C with Pneuma’s sword, as Malos then becomes Low 1-C for surviving hits from her and then everyone becomes Low 1-C. And unlike XC3, there isn’t really a strong basis for this. I’d just label it as “far higher with Pneuma’s Sword”
 
CloverDragon03 said:
I think Malos after stealing Pyra's data should be Low 1-C given he contends with the party, who at this point can withstand hits from True Form Jin
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing

Also should be weaker after his crystal cracked
 
CloverDragon03 said:
I believe so
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I schnee, I've had an argument for 4-C Xb2 for awhile now in the back of my head. Basically when I played Future Redeemed I noticed that it was retconned that Memory Space in Xenoblade 1 was not of Zanza's creation but of Alvis'. From everything we have including the Monado Archive statements the current canon of what Memory Space is appears to be a realm beyond space-time made by Ontos that was made from the memories Zanza had of the old world. The more I thought about it, the more it lines up with what the Dream Elysium is.

Off the top of my head the common connections between Memory Space and the Dream Elysium are:
*Both are of Aegis creation.
*Both are made representing the memory of someone.
*Both have dead characters (in this case Shulk and Rex) appear there (likely through the respective Aegises pulling their consciousnesses there as seen by Shulk being in a coma until he leaves Memory Space).

Given the heavy similarities between the two it would be fair to assume that the Dream Elysium of Pneuma's would also be real just like how Memory Space is and given how they are of Aegis creation it would mean that the size of the realms would scale to their respective Aegis. Alvis already scales way higher to it would be redundant for him but for Pyra and Mythra it would be a significant boost. It would also solve the biggest issue I have with the tier 6 stuff for Xenoblade 2 ever since I put them at that level which would be the fact that tier 6 is based on the assumption of how big the titans are.

So my idea of what I'd want to do in the future for Xenoblade 2 ratings would be to either go with the 4-C (which I wouldn't be against but would be hard to find consistent) or to try and calc how big the Urayan titan is when comparing it to the mechonis sword in Xenoblade 3 which then we could do some calcs like firstly the kinetic energy they'd produce, Genbu surviving high depth pressure, etc etc.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
I schnee, I've had an argument for 4-C Xb2 for awhile now in the back of my head. Basically when I played Future Redeemed I noticed that it was retconned that Memory Space in Xenoblade 1 was not of Zanza's creation but of Alvis'. From everything we have including the Monado Archive statements the current canon of what Memory Space is appears to be a realm beyond space-time made by Ontos that was made from the memories Zanza had of the old world. The more I thought about it, the more it lines up with what the Dream Elysium is.

Off the top of my head the common connections between Memory Space and the Dream Elysium are:
*Both are of Aegis creation.
*Both are made representing the memory of someone.
*Both have dead characters (in this case Shulk and Rex) appear there (likely through the respective Aegises pulling their consciousnesses there as seen by Shulk being in a coma until he leaves Memory Space).

Given the heavy similarities between the two it would be fair to assume that the Dream Elysium of Pneuma's would also be real just like how Memory Space is and given how they are of Aegis creation it would mean that the size of the realms would scale to their respective Aegis. Alvis already scales way higher to it would be redundant for him but for Pyra and Mythra it would be a significant boost. It would also solve the biggest issue I have with the tier 6 stuff for Xenoblade 2 ever since I put them at that level which would be the fact that tier 6 is based on the assumption of how big the titans are.

So my idea of what I'd want to do in the future for Xenoblade 2 ratings would be to either go with the 4-C (which I wouldn't be against but would be hard to find consistent) or to try and calc how big the Urayan titan is when comparing it to the mechonis sword in Xenoblade 3 which then we could do some calcs like firstly the kinetic energy they'd produce, Genbu surviving high depth pressure, etc etc.
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Regarding the Titans, I think it's worth pointing out that Malos described the power of a single artifice as surpassing even the largest of Titans. Which means even a single Artifice Gargoyle; which was literally just a common canon fodder enemy in Torna, would upscale from whatever Titan gives us the largest calculation results. Which to my knowledge, Mor Ardain was the one that would get a result like that.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Regarding the Titans, I think it's worth pointing out that Malos described the power of a single artifice as surpassing even the largest of Titans. Which means even a single Artifice Gargoyle; which was literally just a common canon fodder enemy in Torna, would upscale from whatever Titan gives us the largest calculation results. Which to my knowledge, Mor Ardain was the one that would get a result like that.
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This is pretty huge, actually
 
JoshSSJGod said:
I schnee, I've had an argument for 4-C Xb2 for awhile now in the back of my head. Basically when I played Future Redeemed I noticed that it was retconned that Memory Space in Xenoblade 1 was not of Zanza's creation but of Alvis'. From everything we have including the Monado Archive statements the current canon of what Memory Space is appears to be a realm beyond space-time made by Ontos that was made from the memories Zanza had of the old world. The more I thought about it, the more it lines up with what the Dream Elysium is.

Off the top of my head the common connections between Memory Space and the Dream Elysium are:
*Both are of Aegis creation.
*Both are made representing the memory of someone.
*Both have dead characters (in this case Shulk and Rex) appear there (likely through the respective Aegises pulling their consciousnesses there as seen by Shulk being in a coma until he leaves Memory Space).

Given the heavy similarities between the two it would be fair to assume that the Dream Elysium of Pneuma's would also be real just like how Memory Space is and given how they are of Aegis creation it would mean that the size of the realms would scale to their respective Aegis. Alvis already scales way higher to it would be redundant for him but for Pyra and Mythra it would be a significant boost. It would also solve the biggest issue I have with the tier 6 stuff for Xenoblade 2 ever since I put them at that level which would be the fact that tier 6 is based on the assumption of how big the titans are.

So my idea of what I'd want to do in the future for Xenoblade 2 ratings would be to either go with the 4-C (which I wouldn't be against but would be hard to find consistent) or to try and calc how big the Urayan titan is when comparing it to the mechonis sword in Xenoblade 3 which then we could do some calcs like firstly the kinetic energy they'd produce, Genbu surviving high depth pressure, etc etc.
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Are they creating the dream elysium with ether though? I think it would only count if they use their UES to create it
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Regarding the Titans, I think it's worth pointing out that Malos described the power of a single artifice as surpassing even the largest of Titans. Which means even a single Artifice Gargoyle; which was literally just a common canon fodder enemy in Torna, would upscale from whatever Titan gives us the largest calculation results. Which to my knowledge, Mor Ardain was the one that would get a result like that.
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Yeah, we need a calc for that
 
I could work on a calc for that, though it’d be kinda difficult since we don’t get many full shots of the Titans that can be used for pixel scaling, much less Mor Ardain in particular
 
CloverDragon03 said:
I could work on a calc for that, though it’d be kinda difficult since we don’t get many full shots of the Titans that can be used for pixel scaling, much less Mor Ardain in particular
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Uraya would be your best bet. We already have a calc for the size for the Mechonis Sword so its possible to compare it and the corpse of Uraya in Xenoblade 3
 
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