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Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

NoBodY1928 said:
Yeah, but I will argue some stuffs with frequency aswell
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Chaos thing is pretty much buzzlewords thrown left to right.

I remember discussing it with friends and potentially thinking it might scale to something(in sense to Low 1-A and 1-A).

But ngl i don't see rn it being "Super cool language" thingy.
 
Hecky2222 said:
Chaos thing is pretty much buzzlewords thrown left to right.

I remember discussing it with friends and potentially thinking it might scale to something(in sense to Low 1-A and 1-A).

But ngl i don't see rn it being "Super cool language" thingy.
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We can still have a try lol, I mean something is better than nothing, though probably no character will scale to that, or idk
 
NoBodY1928 said:
We can still have a try lol, I mean something is better than nothing, though probably no character will scale to that, or idk
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is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.

Lilibe: Do you know that chaos is the totality of all concepts and matter, all causes and effects? It is also a series of interconnected and superimposed subsets. Once lost within it, one is like being swept away by a torrent of impermanence, with no way back.
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Lilibe: Even the Oracle Maiden, guided by fate, only manages to salvage a few revelations from the shoals of certainty. What if you enter it but cannot bring back Yuno?
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Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:
One structure, property, or framework is layered over another without necessarily replacing it.
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It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then
“A series of interconnected subsets”
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Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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Mf writing crts in the dicussion thread 💔
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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Can you give a TL;Dr?
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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You can do that, but I will try arguing it through frequency and that having info type -2, but I will need to organise whole thing properly 1st.
 
NoBodY1928 said:
You can do that, but I will try arguing it through frequency and that having info type -2, but I will need to organise whole thing properly 1st.
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info what? informational nonexistence?

Bsk_lyree said:
Can you give a TL;Dr?
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Source of all concepts, existence, causality, bla bla bla with droppen philosophy in it

Honestly it is good argument if you could prove them all. But from what I see it's my friend using "super cool language" anyway
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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1-A Genshin through Noumenal World if true
 
Bsk_lyree said:
I can't open the link
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Link is this
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Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.
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All this text here adds nothing to support a low-1a/1A
Hecky2222 said:
Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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This interpretation makes sense in some aspects, but a lot of it isn’t actually stated in the original text and instead comes from one possible interpretation among many—so there’s nothing concrete supporting it.
For something to be scaled to 1-A or Low 1-A, you’d need much stronger and clearer evidence than this. Also, the verse is currently classified as 2-B, so even moving to Low 1-C with Aleph-1 would already be a significant upgrade.
Jumping all the way to 1-A/Low 1-A, however, is completely out of the question.

Well, that's my opinion, though. Good luck if you decide to try.
 
IStar0thh said:
All this text here adds nothing to support a low-1a/1A

This interpretation makes sense in some aspects, but a lot of it isn’t actually stated in the original text and instead comes from one possible interpretation among many—so there’s nothing concrete supporting it.
For something to be scaled to 1-A or Low 1-A, you’d need much stronger and clearer evidence than this. Also, the verse is currently classified as 2-B, so even moving to Low 1-C with Aleph-1 would already be a significant upgrade.
Jumping all the way to 1-A/Low 1-A, however, is completely out of the question.

Well, that's my opinion, though. Good luck if you decide to try.
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I am not planning to contribute verse at huge upscaling nor don't want to push this to CRT. Just sent here if anyone was interested
 
Hecky2222 said:
I am not planning to contribute verse at huge upscaling nor don't want to push this to CRT. Just sent here if anyone was interested
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It’s probably best to revisit this after we reach Low 1-C. With everything going on, I think that’s a fairly realistic step. I also checked the leaks, and it looks like we may get more planetary/Star-level feats soon.
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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After I reread it, it's possible to do L1A but not 1A.
 
I remember some 5d meta via Jinhsi goin around on YouTube. Haven't dabbled into wuwa scaling as much as pgr so idk if it's a bunch of wanking but...
 
Xdsagecat said:
I remember some 5d meta via Jinhsi goin around on YouTube. Haven't dabbled into wuwa scaling as much as pgr so idk if it's a bunch of wanking but...
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i thoght this was the same guy who made the High 1-A Blue Archive video
 
Hecky2222 said:
is argument basically this or you have something else?

Chaos, which should be a reason for 1-A scaling. And no I am not going to say something generic like "Lament said to be beyond space-time so 1-A", nope, nah-uh, nine, that's just L1-C alone, and this fact about Lament existed from literal patch one within the loading screen.

Alright, what is Chaos?

Let's start.

It is a shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness, it is not a place in the physical sense but the convergence of infinite possibilities, it is mentioned multiple times to be a "place' between life and death, existence and nonexistence. Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself.

Furthermore, As being exposed to Chaos would 'die'under normal circumstances and the entire "space" of it follows general Void of Nothingness logic (i.e, converting those within it to nonexistence) when materials will not be able to hold relevancy in it, so when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says 'It's Chaos. It found us', would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations (Keep this in mind this part, it is important for us to continue).

Normally, so far, one can dismiss this as being merely a realm of NEP Type 2, however…

Look at this.





Basically, if you haven't catch the big importance of it—which no it is not the fact that totality of concepts and matter and cause-and-effect originate from it because it is not necessarily anything scaling-wise—is the following line, "series of interconnected and superimposed subtests", aside from it being where concepts and causes arise from.

Let us dissect the terms first if you don't understand the importance of.

The term superimposed means:

It implies: Coexistenc. Dependency or correlation. Structural alignment. Non-identity.

In Metaphysics (especially philosophy of mind), it is closely related to the idea of supervenience. A concept you usually see being used for metaphysical grounding.

And then


Now we’re entering structural cosmology. This means: A larger whole, divided into smaller units, those units overlap or influenceone another, none are fully isolated. They are Superimposed on the one below, internally subdivided, and causally interacting across levels. This kind of view appears in emergentism.

So, by this, we can conclude that the "subsets" that in totality can be actualized are a interconnected series upon each other that originate from Chaos, it actualizes those potentialities into realized structures. And they also speak about entering it but cannot brining Yuno back due to the nature of this realm. Basically, a network of overlapping discursive systems.

For me it is honestly already 1-A, but if you want more "supporting" evidence to it, well, probably below will help you to see.

There is even more lines and quotes that supports it further, such as one of the reason for this be because Chaos exists as the aggregation and totality of all things, the convergence of possibilities both true and not true, and an infinite sea of possibilities that is both everything and nothing. The possibility here, accounting the previous statements also, does not mean mere possibilities in a 2-A sense, it cannot be L1-C either because the notion entirely rejects it, but all the material potentiality within the baseline reality that can be actualized (basically, anything up to L1-A, the materiality and material realm), while Chaos, by itself, shares an entirely different property from material properties it actualizes.

Remember I said to keep that quote in mind? Well, it helps now, because the fact that everything will dissolve within chaos and convert within it further implies that no material composition holds value within this "place." AND ALSO example of it being LUNO HERSELF, since she was completely erased from the world, from every memory, history or action that has been taken, and what saved her was Rover 'anchoring' her to the world and 'tangle' the casual chain itself (which grant him high godly resurrection in form of history and information ofc).

And no it haven't ended because WE STILL HAVE SUPPORTING STATEMENTS (this shit has too much backing it up). Why? Because WE KNOW space and history overlapping, shit happens, which ALSO implies the space already has the potentiality to infinitely stacking itself considering it with previous statements, this nevertheless supports the idea of Chaos being 1-A as they can be very well the subsets that are actualized by Chaos. Statements are all interconnected directly or indirectly.


I jjust took it from discord server
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A long shot, though even if it was theoretically accepted this wouldn't scale to much, more a cosmological thing
 

Aleph-1 lacks space-time (more like space and time has no meanings in there because of its nature as a blackhole but you get it), is higher-dimension in a context where it's a four dimensional object blackhole embedded in space-time instead of being 5 dimensional or it being an additional spatial axis. Apparently you could just destroy Aleph-1's miniature black hole that was created by its projection using energy projection, when the projection (red robot stuff that mimicked Exostrider's form) returned to its true form (the blackhole). They used a sword to BFR it to like the outer edge of the universe which is a boundless sea of stars so like Aleph-1 is a four dimensional object in a four dimensional space-time that had all of its spatial axes to be infinite (boundless) in size
Yeah, we might have to scale the entire cast to like the planet being split into two instead of the blackhole
 
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