Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

What about for standard reasonator?

I think 4 stars scales to each other. AP idk. But 5 stars need to go case by case

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Actually Sanhua might be a different among 4 star

 

[Shiraito983]

Would Rover actually get a resistance to concept manip type 3 because he's the only one who can remember Iuno who got conceptually erased

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Would Rover actually get a resistance to concept manip type 3 because he's the only one who can remember Iuno who got conceptually erased

Haven't played the latest quest so can't say. I think he should get CM type 2 resistance for resisting Jue Time Manipulation which is stated to be remains until time itself cease to exist. Seems like type 2 CM here

 

[Shiraito983]

Haven't played the latest quest so can't say. I think he should get CM type 2 resistance for resisting Jue Time Manipulation which is stated to be remains until time itself cease to exist. Seems like type 2 CM here

spoiler my bad

 

[FanSyst]

Dark Tide with EE is

Augusta is a great character.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Wuthering Waves Verse Creation

Pretty simple CRT, as the title suggests it's a verse creation for Wuwa. We have 2 accepted scans for both AP & Speed, I have also created 2 explanation blogs for the verse pertaining to Resonator Physiology and Frequencies. Word of note, the stuff on verse creation is a simple place holder not...

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[Shiraito983]

does iuno scale to jiyan? i dont think so

 

[Shiraito983]

Me and Dao talked about it. Ig, you could also kinda calc the tsunami splitting. I went to the trailer checking for the feats Dao notified me of, remained due to how good they cooked with it (as always)

calc it now

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

does iuno scale to jiyan? i dont think so

It'd be incredibly odd to say Jiyan who isn't even very noteworthy scaled above someone as important as Iuno who is comparable to Augusta, with Augusta who at the very least should be above Rover from the start of the game who...of course scales to Jiyan.

 

[Shiraito983]

It'd be incredibly odd to say Jiyan who isn't even very noteworthy scaled above someone as important as Iuno who is comparable to Augusta, with Augusta who at the very least should be above Rover from the start of the game who...of course scales to Jiyan.

make sense. rover need havoc just to block her attack

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Me and Dao talked about it. Ig, you could also kinda calc the tsunami splitting. I went to the trailer checking for the feats Dao notified me of, remained due to how good they cooked with it (as always)

Whenever you guys get the calc accepted, please notify me. Alternatively, you guys are all free to join the discord if you'd like.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

make sense. rover need havoc just to block her attack

Yeah, so I think Iuno scaling to Jiyan is perfectly reasonable.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

There was a Beta test Promotional video or something I saw in WuWa official YouTube channel where Jiyan splits the clouds. Don't know if we can use that

 

[Shiraito983]

Cartethyia Dispatching Tsunami—Wuwa's feat

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[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[FanSyst]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

does iuno scale to jiyan? i dont think so

It'd be incredibly odd to say Jiyan who isn't even very noteworthy scaled above someone as important as Iuno who is comparable to Augusta, with Augusta who at the very least should be above Rover from the start of the game who...of course scales to Jiyan.

What makes Iuno scale to Augusta? Iuno was out of breath just from firing one of her arrows at the Fake Sovereign, while Augusta can fight him on equal, if not superior, ground. It’s not just a stamina feat from what I’m seeing. Iuno’s case is similar to Genshu Lin’s—she only shows higher firepower by sacrificing her life force. Normally, I don’t think she should be considered any stronger than other 5-stars.

Yeah, she scales to Jiyan, but I don’t agree that she scales to Augusta. We haven’t seen any feats that put her on Augusta’s level. Except for Sentinel resonators, there shouldn’t be a big difference between other resonators from what we know in the lore. As for Augusta, she’s more of an outlier who possesses physical power comparable to Sentinel resonators. Iuno’s scaling should be put on hold until the next patch comes out.

make sense. rover need havoc just to block her attack

Neither of them were serious though. Later onwards Rover overpowered her with Aero element alone.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Btw completed the quest and really liked everything so far.
I'm hyped for Garlberina. Seems like whispers stick with her while Augusta rejected that power Angel might have accepted it.

 

[SweetDao]

Me waiting for leaks or any crumbs regarding Qiuyuan

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

What makes Iuno scale to Augusta?

They're both the winners of the competition and both received Agon's blessing, also it's less that Iuno directly scales to Augusta and more that they are generally relative fighters. The main point is Iuno scales to Jiyan.

Iuno was out of breath just from firing one of her arrows at the Fake Sovereign, while Augusta can fight him on equal, if not superior, ground. It’s not just a stamina feat from what I’m seeing.

No, that is a major outlier. Iuno confirmed herself that every time she uses her resonance power it literally takes away from her life force, so the fact she fired arrows and was out of breath is not because she doesn't scale. It's because her resonance power is literally killing her. Also she was getting mentally corrupted by the DT, which further solidifies this not being a fair point in time to scrutinize her performance.

Yeah, she scales to Jiyan, but I don’t agree that she scales to Augusta. We haven’t seen any feats that put her on Augusta’s level.

That's the main point, I mean we don't have any calcs higher than the Jiyan feat in the game at the moment so speaking from a generalist standpoint every single character excluding literal god tiers like Jue & Tethy's are relative to each other. As absurd as it sounds, until we get calcs to better differentiate between certain characters that will remain the case.

Except for Sentinel resonators, there shouldn’t be a big difference between other resonators from what we know in the lore. As for Augusta, she’s more of an outlier who possesses physical power comparable to Sentinel resonators. Iuno’s scaling should be put on hold until the next patch comes out.

Augusta is definitely not sentinel resonator tier, she's more like in between strong natural resonators and sentinel resonators, she doesn't have anything that puts her on the level of Jinhsi or Cartethyia, this is made very apparent in the story so much so that the DT literally uses Rover who's barely doing anything this patch and Abby sucking up a little bit of the DT to try and get in her head. Also she had literal amps from numerous dead reverberations at the end of the fight, she was also getting overwhelmed so badly by just basic sword skills of Rover who barely uses his resonance power.

 

[FanSyst]

Let's wait for the second part of the story, guys. It's better not to jump to conclusions.

who is Iuno?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Let's wait for the second part of the story, guys. It's better not to jump to conclusions.

Agreed.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Actually Sanhua might be a different among 4 star

There's this calc that was made awhile ago for her, not very impressive and even less so when we know Sanhua has caused a level 2 blizzard before.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

There's this calc that was made awhile ago for her, not very impressive and even less so when we know Sanhua has caused a level 2 blizzard before.

I meant lore wise. Jinshi before Second Awakening and Sanhua looked almost similar range when they fought Scar..

They're both the winners of the competition and both received Agon's blessing, also it's less that Iuno directly scales to Augusta and more that they are generally relative fighters.

Only Augusta actually fought the Lioness of Glory, which no one else in Septimont has done from what I’ve seen. Being a winner of the competition doesn’t put them on equal ground, and even Lupa received blessings from it as far as I can tell. Isn’t Mya also a winner? Yet she still couldn’t hold a candle to Lupa without Leviathan amps.

The main point is Iuno scales to Jiyan.

This I agree.

No, that is a major outlier. Iuno confirmed herself that every time she uses her resonance power it literally takes away from her life force, so the fact she fired arrows and was out of breath is not because she doesn't scale. It's because her resonance power is literally killing her. Also she was getting mentally corrupted by the DT, which further solidifies this not being a fair point in time to scrutinize her performance.

It's not an outlier, bruh. She sacrificed her priestess powers to gain resonator powers, which is why she sacrifices her life force whenever she uses them. Normal arrows don’t cause much harm, but she becomes more weakened when she draws more power from her resonator skills. For example, when she was holding back the dark energy so that Augusta and Rover could fight the Fake Sovereign. From what I’m seeing, her output isn’t static.

That's the main point, I mean we don't have any calcs higher than the Jiyan feat in the game at the moment so speaking from a generalist standpoint every single character excluding literal god tiers like Jue & Tethy's are relative to each other. As absurd as it sounds, until we get calcs to better differentiate between certain characters that will remain the case.

This is what I also think there is not much difference between them

Augusta is definitely not sentinel resonator tier, she's more like in between strong natural resonators and sentinel resonators,

I agree but she should be Stronger than other 5 stars.

she doesn't have anything that puts her on the level of Jinhsi or Cartethyia, this is made very apparent in the story so much so that the DT literally uses Rover who's barely doing anything this patch and Abby sucking up a little bit of the DT to try and get in her head. Also she had literal amps from numerous dead reverberations at the end of the fight,

The Fake Sovereign should be pretty OP on his own, to the point that just absorbing some of his energy made Abby’s stomach full.

As for your point about her getting a power-up at the end—she one-shots the Fake Sovereign, who was previously holding his own against both Augusta and Rover. So that argument doesn’t really support the idea of her being weaker.

Young Augusta herself was strong enough to fight and damage the Lioness of Glory, who was putting up a fight against Cartwheel (albeit while amped by Leviathan).

she was also getting overwhelmed so badly by just basic sword skills of Rover who barely uses his resonance power.

Yeah but still River needed Aero skill to beat her at the end.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I meant lore wise. Jinshi before Second Awakening and Sanhua looked almost similar range when they fought Scar..

That's almost certainly a case of Jinhsi not trying, I think we can both agree Jinhsi should safely be much stronger than Sanhua. Scar himself wasn't really trying either which is apparent in his dialogue.

Only Augusta actually fought the Lioness of Glory, which no one else in Septimont has done from what I’ve seen.

It was stated both of them got the blessing of the Lioness of Glory, which again at least implies a level of general relativity.

Being a winner of the competition doesn’t put them on equal ground, and even Lupa received blessings from it as far as I can tell. Isn’t Mya also a winner? Yet she still couldn’t hold a candle to Lupa without Leviathan amps.

Well, yeah I agree with you there. Like I said, it's more so that they are around the same ball park/general range rather than literally 100% comparable to each other like Goku & Vegeta or something. Also no, Mya did not win.

It's not an outlier, bruh. She sacrificed her priestess powers to gain resonator powers, which is why she sacrifices her life force whenever she uses them. Normal arrows don’t cause much harm, but she becomes more weakened when she draws more power from her resonator skills. For example, when she was holding back the dark energy so that Augusta and Rover could fight the Fake Sovereign. From what I’m seeing, her output isn’t static.

She sacrificed her powers to gain a greater resistance against the DT's influence, we don't really know much else currently and yes like I said every time she uses this power it slowly kills her. My main point is, using that as a way to argue against her perceived strength is disingenuous.

I agree but she should be Stronger than other 5 stars.

I mean yeah, she's stronger than Jiyan, Yinlin, Zhezhi, Xiangli Yao, Camellya, Brant, Phoebe, Cantarella, Zani (maybe), Ciaccona (maybe), and Lupa (maybe).
She's however, weaker than Rover, Changli, Jinhsi, Shorekeeper, Carlotta, Cartethyia & Phrolova.

Also so I am clear, when I say "stronger" or "weaker" I mean the chances of her winning a 1v1 against these characters not how well they'd fair in a literal arm wrestling competition or something. Since I know it is probably weird to see Ciaccona here but Ciaccona has one of the more insane resonance abilities since she can make Sonoro's casually and there is nothing Augusta can do if she gets trapped in a Sonoro.

The Fake Sovereign should be pretty OP on his own, to the point that just absorbing some of his energy made Abby’s stomach full.

Possibly, I mean it seemed to imply it was more so the DT itself that made Abby full rather than the FS himself. Since Abby just absorbed a portion of it that the FS was using to empower himself with. However the FS is still pretty impressive with the type 8 immortality/AE type 2 it seems to get from the DT itself. It basically had infinite regen after seemingly biology incineration.

As for your point about her getting a power-up at the end—she one-shots the Fake Sovereign, who was previously holding his own against both Augusta and Rover. So that argument doesn’t really support the idea of her being weaker.

Well yes but she only one shots it after the amp, not before. Also again, Rover this entire patch was not really doing much of anything. It's very apparent in the fact he literally only used his resonance power like 2 or 3 times and never was actually seen struggling once.

Young Augusta herself was strong enough to fight and damage the Lioness of Glory, who was putting up a fight against Cartwheel (albeit while amped by Leviathan).

We cannot in fair conscious argue young Augusta is even remotely in the same dimension with the Lioness of Glory Cartethyia fought in the Sonoro, that's incredibly ridiculous since we have no idea how much stronger the DT makes people, we already know the amp while a bit ambiguous is not something to be trifled with. And as someone who has played PGR where the concept of the DT was literally taken from, I can tell you right now it is likely a very massive amp.

Yeah but still River needed Aero skill to beat her at the end.

I mean...not really? He kinda just used the attack with no clear intent of really hurting her, and it was one very weak attack not like the one's he used against Fluerdelys. The main point was that she was getting incredibly overwhelmed when he was just using basic sword skills, even after he uses the aero skill at the end it's not like she was defeated or anything. They just straight up stopped fighting.

 

[Shiraito983]

My thoughts on scaling rn are

rover > sentinels & threnodian> second awakening reasonators > sentinel reasonator > false sovereign > the rest

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's almost certainly a case of Jinhsi not trying, I think we can both agree Jinhsi should safely be much stronger than Sanhua. Scar himself wasn't really trying either which is apparent in his dialogue.

I think Jinshi was trying but ofcourse I agree Sanhua being weaker than her. Scar obviously doesn't seem to try since it was hinted his objective was to get caught by them

It was stated both of them got the blessing of the Lioness of Glory, which again at least implies a level of general relativity.

Well, yeah I agree with you there. Like I said, it's more so that they are around the same ball park/general range rather than literally 100% comparable to each other like Goku & Vegeta or something.

Do we have statement for Blessing increasing ones powers? I don't remember it.

Also no, Mya did not win.

She did win but didn't officially become the champion.

Lupa: Well, Contender Mya... I first heard about her from Domina Julia.
Lupa: Julia didn't like her. Probably because they once competed in the same Agon. Mya disappeared after claiming the title, leaving that Agon without an official champion.

She sacrificed her powers to gain a greater resistance against the DT's influence, we don't really know much else currently and yes like I said every time she uses this power it slowly kills her. My main point is, using that as a way to argue against her perceived strength is disingenuous.

That's why I'm saying we should wait for her patch for now she is around others for sure but don't see her putting up same level fight against Augusta

I mean yeah, she's stronger than Jiyan, Yinlin, Zhezhi, Xiangli Yao, Camellya, Brant, Phoebe, Cantarella, Zani (maybe), Ciaccona (maybe), and Lupa (maybe).
She's however, weaker than Rover, Changli, Jinhsi, Shorekeeper, Carlotta, Cartethyia & Phrolova.

Also so I am clear, when I say "stronger" or "weaker" I mean the chances of her winning a 1v1 against these characters not how well they'd fair in a literal arm wrestling competition or something. Since I know it is probably weird to see Ciaccona here but Ciaccona has one of the more insane resonance abilities since she can make Sonoro's casually and there is nothing Augusta can do if she gets trapped in a Sonoro.

Do we have size for Ciaccona Sonoro Sphere? Either way Augusta should blitz everyone in the list from what I'm seeing. Rover even made last moment dodges against her. Also we have her skill game similar to time stop don't we( not a time stop obviously)

Possibly, I mean it seemed to imply it was more so the DT itself that made Abby full rather than the FS himself. Since Abby just absorbed a portion of it that the FS was using to empower himself with. However the FS is still pretty impressive with the type 8 immortality/AE type 2 it seems to get from the DT itself. It basically had infinite regen after seemingly biology incineration.

The space Abby and Rover share stores the energy they absorb from what I see. If the energy in the area made Abby I think it's pretty OP itself.

Well yes but she only one shots it after the amp, not before. Also again, Rover this entire patch was not really doing much of anything. It's very apparent in the fact he literally only used his resonance power like 2 or 3 times and never was actually seen struggling once.

We cannot in fair conscious argue young Augusta is even remotely in the same dimension with the Lioness of Glory Cartethyia fought in the Sonoro, that's incredibly ridiculous since we have no idea how much stronger the DT makes people, we already know the amp while a bit ambiguous is not something to be trifled with. And as someone who has played PGR where the concept of the DT was literally taken from, I can tell you right now it is likely a very massive amp.

I mean...not really? He kinda just used the attack with no clear intent of really hurting her, and it was one very weak attack not like the one's he used against Fluerdelys. The main point was that she was getting incredibly overwhelmed when he was just using basic sword skills, even after he uses the aero skill at the end it's not like she was defeated or anything. They just straight up stopped fighting.

I'll drop this for now. Because I understand what you mean.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

My thoughts on scaling rn are

rover > sentinels & threnodian> second awakening reasonators > sentinel reasonator > false sovereign > the rest

Second Awakening should be comparable to Sentinel if not outright Superior to them.

Fake Sovereign is more like hax based fighter I think if they have one shot abilities like Augusta they should be able to put him down.

 

[Shiraito983]

Second Awakening should be comparable to Sentinel if not outright Superior to them.

Fake Sovereign is more like hax based fighter I think if they have one shot abilities like Augusta they should be able to put him down.

ya, but lore-wise. Without Rover, he alone would destroy Rinascita

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

My thoughts on scaling rn are

rover > sentinels & threnodian> second awakening reasonators > sentinel reasonator > false sovereign > the rest

Prime Rover yeah, I don't think current Rover is above Sentinels because they are ridiculously hax based. Maybe when Rover starts getting more of his power back which is already slowly happening, it is true he does a resist a big chunk of their abilities though just naturally as Lord Arbiter.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Do we have statement for Blessing increasing ones powers? I don't remember it.

Nah, it doesn't increase one's power more like you have to be at a certain level of strength to even recieve it.

She did win but didn't officially become the champion.

Yeah Leviathan kinda stopped her from that.

That's why I'm saying we should wait for her patch for now she is around others for sure but don't see her putting up same level fight against Augusta

I agree with this, I mean even after her patch not to jynx it or anything but I don't see her being as much of a well rounded fighter as Augusta. At most, maybe her resonance power is just smth crazy.

Do we have size for Ciaccona Sonoro Sphere?

It varies depending on the Sonoro she creates, regardless even if it was only the size of a room there would be no way for Augusta to escape it.

Either way Augusta should blitz everyone in the list from what I'm seeing. Rover even made last moment dodges against her. Also we have her skill game similar to time stop don't we( not a time stop obviously)

Eh...not sure about that tbh, also the ts stuff is very dubious to use for like any relevant speed scaling.

The space Abby and Rover share stores the energy they absorb from what I see. If the energy in the area made Abby I think it's pretty OP itself.

Yeah for sure, DT is no joke after all. It also has corrosive properties, though I'm pretty sure both Abby & Rover are immune to it it's still impressive nonetheless.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Prime Rover yeah, I don't think current Rover is above Sentinels because they are ridiculously hax based. Maybe when Rover starts getting more of his power back which is already slowly happening, it is true he does a resist a big chunk of their abilities though just naturally as Lord Arbiter.

Current Rover has both of their abilities from what I see, or at least he is resistant to Jue's time manipulation and has Cartwheel’s abilities. So, he should be able to fight them on equal footing, if not be superior to them. Not to mention, Abby himself should be capable of absorbing most energy-based attacks. The currently established Sentinels haven’t shown anything superior to Current Rover.

Both Jue and Imperator implied he also had control over their power should be able to take them from them.

It varies depending on the Sonoro she creates, regardless even if it was only the size of a room there would be no way for Augusta to escape it.

If it's room sized or anything smaller than Augusta's range I can see Augusta breaking free. Atleast her last attack should be able to.

Eh...not sure about that tbh, also the ts stuff is very dubious to use for like any relevant speed scaling.

I don't think it would scale to anyone other than Augusta, Rover and Cartwheel even if we do.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

ya, but lore-wise. Without Rover, he alone would destroy Rinascita

Second Awakening was supposed to be replacement for Sentinel powers. That was the whole point of Jue vs Jinshi. I think there was even a statement from Jue about it might surpass him.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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We are counting everyone except Fractsidus?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Found this

 

[Shiraito983]

Also we should upscale Carthe since she also completed her second reasonance awakening, and not to mention she's the reasonator of Leviathan and imperator

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Current Rover has both of their abilities from what I see, or at least he is resistant to Jue's time manipulation and has Cartwheel’s abilities. So, he should be able to fight them on equal footing, if not be superior to them. Not to mention, Abby himself should be capable of absorbing most energy-based attacks. The currently established Sentinels haven’t shown anything superior to Current Rover.

Yeah he has resistance but currently there are no feats that put him on par with Jue's creation feat of a 2B-2A realm. All we know is that due to his status he has resistance to their hax/the ability to inflict death on them, just not entirely sure if it's fair to scale him to Jue's creation feat. He also doesn't have any relevant scaling at all to Tethy's at the moment, but to be fair Tethy's is like kind of an outlier.

Both Jue and Imperator implied he also had control over their power should be able to take them from them.

Yeah he should be able to, but we haven't seen him use temporal mandate yet. We just know he resists it.

If it's room sized or anything smaller than Augusta's range I can see Augusta breaking free. Atleast her last attack should be able to.

Nah, Augusta can't break out of a Sonoro regardless of the size. She has no strong resonance ability to do so, and Sonoro's are composed purely of remnant energy aka AE type 1. She wouldn't be able to do anything due to that, at least not based off her current feats and most importantly statements.

I don't think it would scale to anyone other than Augusta, Rover and Cartwheel even if we do.

Yeah, probably not tbh. Maybe at most Fractsidus and Jinhsi but not many at all.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

We are counting everyone except Fractsidus?

Lol, we all know they're top tier for now.

Also we should upscale Carthe since she also completed her second reasonance awakening, and not to mention she's the reasonator of Leviathan and imperator

For sure.