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Worst DB Villian vs Best DMC Villian

GojiBoyForever said:
Yeah but an antagonist can also be a good person. For example Sans.
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Never said they couldn't, my name is Schnee One after all.

That said

<Jiren

<A dude who legit hates friendship tries to kill Goku's friends

This ain't it chief
 
Jiren isn't even a villain. The only main antagonist in Super that count as villain are Freezer and Zamasu; Beerus, Hit and Jiren are just people who oppose Goku without being actually evil.
 
Beerus genocide billions on a whim tho . i don't really care it's his "job" , it doesn't really make it okay .

this dude isn't better than frieza ,just a bit more goofy .
 
Jiren stomps and why in God's name are there multiple jiren threads in the forum?
 
>Jiren stomps

Vergil has the advantage here in AP and DB along with the hax advantage, I don't see Jiren winning this.
 
Jiren is listed at low 2-c while Vergil only possibly at that level so no he doesn't have the advantage in AP only hax and jiren is higher in the Low 2-c range so no big j can get the kill on him
 
The possibly part in ratings means that Vergil's 3-A rating has evidence for it being low 2-C and thus can be interpreted as Low 2-C, his rating in match ups can be either 3-A or Low 2-C. Vergil is Low 2-C as a whole and Jiren isn't high on the Low 2-C range (at least not as high as Vergil who is comparable to beings who can stomp beings who can stomp casual above baseline Low 2-C fodder)
 
Dienomite22 said:
The possibly part in ratings means that Vergil's 3-A rating has evidence for it being low 2-C and thus can be interpreted as Low 2-C, his rating in match ups can be either 3-A or Low 2-C. Vergil is Low 2-C as a whole and Jiren isn't high on the Low 2-C range (at least not as high as Vergil who is comparable to beings who can stomp beings who can stomp casual above baseline Low 2-C fodder)
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Seems Ridiculous and unnecessary either he's there or not Jiren is far above infinite Zamasu who is low 2-c and shook an infinite size realm in a Supressed state let alone shat one beings around that range with ease and being above his buddy who warped said realm with ease. So no jiren is high in that range at best it comes to hax vs power jiren can end his ass while Vergil could hax him
 
That's not how it works.

It's not 100% Guranteed that Soace Time was affected, thus it's unsure if it was 3A or Low 2C

That doesn't change the fact that the feat was done by someone who is fodder to Vergil
 
Tipper17 said:
Seems Ridiculous and unnecessary either he's there or not Jiren is far above infinite Zamasu who is low 2-c and shook an infinite size realm in a Supressed state let alone shat one beings around that range with ease and being above his buddy who warped said realm with ease. So no jiren is high in that range at best it comes to hax vs power jiren can end his ass while Vergil could hax him
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That's how it is and Infinite Zamasu's feat almost sounds exactly like fodder named Argosax who passively performed a 3-A possibly low 2-C feat while sealed and weakened which this Vergil is ridiculously superior to far beyond the point of one shotting.
 
That's how it is and Infinite Zamasu's feat almost sounds exactly like fodder named Argosax who passively performed a 3-A possibly low 2-C feat while sealed and weakened which this Vergil is ridiculously superior to far beyond the point of one shotting.

Which again he possibly there where jiren is in that range and being above them laughably considering his feats as well so in terms of AP jiren has him beat which Vergil main chance is hax
 
Unless you make a crt to change things whe are using that "possibly" low 2-C key/form which more than likely he does stomps Jiren.

That's how things are done here AFAIK
 
@Tipper17

I'm saying the feat that Jiren scales from isn't impressive compared to Vergil.

How high in Low 2-C is Jiren? Because scaling from shaking an infinite sized realm isn't low 2-C and Jiren's scaling from Zamasu isn't casual at all. He isn't massively superior to infinite Zamasu.

Meanwhile Argosax while sealed and weakened performed a low 2-C feat, powered up and still got stomped by a DMC2 Dante.Urizen then stomps DMC5 Dante who is far above his DMC2 seal with no difficulty at all.DMC 5 Dante and Urizen then both power up with Dante stomping Urizen who consumed the Qliphoth's Fruit which grants 3-A possibly low 2-C power and then Vergil stalemates with Dante.

Vergil's is knowingly far superior baseline Low 2-C while Jiren is only possibly superior to a Low 2-C being.
 
Also, teleportation+Judgment Cut spam+Duplication along with other hax that simply comes from using Yamato, even if Jiren was superior in AP or comparable (which he isn't), Vergil can literally just 1 shot with Yamato.
 
Vergil is equal to someone (Awakened Dante) who is above someone (Post-Urizen) who stomps someone (Pre-Urizen) who stomps someone (Dante) who is above someone (DMC2 Dante) who stomps a demon that performed Zamasu's feat.

FP Jiren is equal to MUI Goku, who stomps post-2nd UI Sign Blue Goku, who is above 1st UI Sign, who is above/equal to suppressed Jiren

In other words, Jiren has an AP disadvantage here. Add on Vergil's hax, like his Spatial Manip, Teleportation, and Duplication, and Jiren gets pretty handily beaten, if almost stomped.

Or, when Vergil can amp himself into a form that is infinitely above a form that stomps those equal to his baseline power.
 
Naeblis495 said:
Beerus genocide billions on a whim tho . i don't really care it's his "job" , it doesn't really make it okay .
this dude isn't better than frieza ,just a bit more goofy .
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You're trying to enforce human morals onto a Cosmic Deity who's sole purpose in existence is to destroy stuff.

Why would the human definition of "okay" matter to him?
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
FP Jiren is equal to MUI Goku, who stomps post-2nd UI Sign Blue Goku, who is above 1st UI Sign, who is above/equal to suppressed Jiren
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I think you left out a couple things.

BW Jiren = MUI Goku, who stomps Full Power Jiren, who is stronger then 3rd-UI Sign Goku, who would stomp post-2nd UI Sign Blue KKx20 Goku, who is vastly stronger than post-2nd UI Blue Goku, who is superior to 1st UI Sign, who is pretty much equal to supressed Jiren, who is above Zamasu's feat.
 
Jiren outright scales to Beerus who only needs to be 2x stronger to hit baseline 2-C, he has the AP advantage here.
 
Thinking back and reading C2 comment they should be somewhat comparable with DMC having an advantage still but havin a probably higher AP combined with hax means Jiren can't win.

@Aguilar

That's not how it works boyo, that stoped working some time ago.
 
Honestly, I think MUI Goku would be a better opponent, if for no other reason then the fact that his Instinctive Reaction helps him stay in the fight and retaliate better than BW Jiren, while boasting the same level of power.
 
That "2X Low 2-C" doesn't even make any sense, since the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C is infinite, it makes them "infinite Low 2-C" for having half of infinite, since they cover half of the gap between those two Tiers, which is Infinite

You can use to make Dragon Ball 2-C, but it doesn't work for Vs Threads

Also, Knight told the BASE Vergil scalling, he can still use DT to one shot someone around his base power and Shin Devil Trigger to go "even further beyond", he has the AP advantage
 
Let's take a look at DMC2 Dante.

Dante was having fun with the Alternate Dimension Mundus who was far more powerful than the original Mundus.

He then proceeded to destroy a void that the Mundus became (a non-corporeal being) after his physical form was slain. Kinda the same way Zeno destroyed Infinite Zamasu.

He fought Chen with the beastheads which is a big deal as Chen posed a threat to Dante who was seriously overpowered and unphased by everyone. But still no sign of real struggle from Dante. It was just some sort of a little challenge to him with just disappointment on Dante's side.

He defeated Argosax who had to ascend into his DE (Despair Embodied)form who was merging the 2 universes (Human & Demon) back into one with his presence alone who was still heavily sealed in power. Dante beats him, with a gunshot.

Come around DMC4 he becomes more powerful and it's just a typical day by day living for the next challenge.

Come DMC5 Dante. He gets bro fisted by Urizen who is Vergil's demon half.

Dante awakens his Sin Devil Trigger and defeats Urizen. Urizen eats the Qliphoth fruit and evens the ground with Dante. But Dante prevails.

V (Human part of Vergil) merges with Urizen and out comes Vergil. With the game ending with Dante and Vergil playing "score" down in Hell. It becomes quality family time since Nero has repaired their relationship and having them realizing that it's better to have fun and stay motivated for the next upcoming sequel in another 10+years.

Vergil for these reasons.
 
C2 of Omegon said:
Honestly, I think MUI Goku would be a better opponent, if for no other reason then the fact that his Instinctive Reaction helps him stay in the fight and retaliate better than BW Jiren, while boasting the same level of power.
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Should I? Seems a tad one sided as it is.
 
Vergil can harm Dante, who has Instinctive Reaction.

It'd be largely the same as here. Judgement Cut into death is a true combo.
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
Vergil is equal to someone (Awakened Dante) who is above someone (Post-Urizen) who stomps someone (Pre-Urizen) who stomps someone (Dante) who is above someone (DMC2 Dante) who stomps a demon that performed Zamasu's feat.

FP Jiren is equal to MUI Goku, who stomps post-2nd UI Sign Blue Goku, who is above 1st UI Sign, who is above/equal to suppressed Jiren

In other words, Jiren has an AP disadvantage here. Add on Vergil's hax, like his Spatial Manip, Teleportation, and Duplication, and Jiren gets pretty handily beaten, if almost stomped.

Or, when Vergil can amp himself into a form that is infinitely above a form that stomps those equal to his baseline power.
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And that isn't impressive to jiren who again is above Infinte Zamasu in a Supressed state and perform a casual low 2c feat and was stronger than said UI Omen goku who perform said feat as well Not to mention being above beerus in FP and increasing said gap with LB I'm not convince whatsoever of DMC side having the Advantage in the AP
 
You do realize others have provided more accurate chains and it's still considered accurate to say DMC has an AP advantage, if slight.

That being said, doesn't matter when Jiren gets Spatial Manip'd into pieces.
 
Scaling above baseline Low 2-C and scaling from someone who is almost close to 2-C are two different things.
 
Should I? Seems a tad one sided as it is.

I'd go for it. Cuz right now Jiren kind of gets diced due to the fact he'd likley just bull rush Vergil.
 
It will be a closer battle but Instinctive Reactions are nothing new to Vergil, who can attack Dante without problems, and Dante also have Instinctive Reactions

About AP, if you guys are really going to use that "close to 2-C" thing, then close the thread, because it will be a AP stomp, the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C is infinite, if Jiren have half of that, still infinite, if he's close to 2-C, then he's close to Infinite which is Infinite, he one shots with his eyes and call it a day, he actually one shots any Low 2-C going by that
 
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