Wizards upgrade

[Zenkaibattery1]

Alright. Let's just see how this goes.

Wizard101 is currently rated as 2-B, based off the term 'endless.' However, Wokistan on discord said they'd support 2-A based off that term. The term endless, should mean no end. Period. On to the statements themselves

Firstly, to prove the characters can destroy existence:

https://imgur.com/a/I2IBGV8

"If the Chaos Heart is removed from its bonds in Empryea, it will unravel the very fabric of existence"

https://youtu.be/HpkzCdoqipE?t=183

WoG statement: "Either of these entities (Grandfather Spider and Grandmother Raven) can unravel existence if they felt like it"

https://imgur.com/a/G8CAZS2

The Player, with Bartleby's essence reset existence

Now. I will go over 2-B stuff first.

The Reverie:

Now the Reverie is a gateway to the world of dreams. Each dream a mortal has is its own dimension which is the size of the universe.

https://imgur.com/Awt6GHu

https://youtu.be/EJb_iH6dI-o?t=159

How do we know dreams are the size of a universe? Well, when we enter Mellori's dream world where she is looking at a past version of herself, you can see galaxies in the background not too long after (Also, Mellori also implies this is a completley different world from the real world "you go back to the real world!")

With this, we know each dream is its own world the size of a universe, since there are galaxies in the background.

https://imgur.com/a/hqp7qTt

Here are some other dimensions in the game, each universal in size.

https://imgur.com/a/hKFSkNk

This is also important. In Avalon, there are these reflection caves. These reflection caves lead you to a reflection of the world. Essentially a mirror world. These exist exclusively in Avalon, and keep on going to other reflections, similar to Pokemon.

Now, onto the timelines themselves. First we have to look at statements that confirm the existence of other worlds/dimensions

https://imgur.com/a/nl8QPYE

Firstly, when we are travelling back in time to find a world door a mysterious voice says "from another time, and another world."

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0px-28Quest29_Forging_A_Legend_Dialogue_7.png

An Arcanum professor states "its construction shows techniques from multiple worlds. Even different dimensions"

Word of God also agrees that there are other timelines.

https://youtu.be/kza_x_JHr4Q?t=459

7:40 - 7:50: Prehaps the most important. Here, in this quest right before this statement, we travel back to the past to fix issues in Dragonspyre. The professor states "I have seen that timeline, in it, the Dragonspyre academy sweeps through the Spiral"

He is quite clearly referencing that past we just visited as a different timeline. In that timeline specifically, the Dragonspyre army has taken over the Spiral (The Universe). And obviously, in our timeline the universe is fine. This means, each past is its own timeline.

https://imgur.com/a/vIH8hrp

Here, it is stated each grain of sand is a moment in the Spiral's history. History, as per definition, refers to the past. Meaning, each grain is its own past.

https://imgur.com/a/IHsRlM4

These sands, according to Grandmother Raven, the wisest character in the game as well as the narrator, states that the sands of time are endless.

The issue before was with the term 'endless.' But its basic definition takes it as something with no end. Period.

With this, the god tiers of the verse should be 2-A.

Also, as a bonus. The writers and developers of Wizard101 have agreed with this cosmology, and put a 2-A cosmology blog I made on their own official website. There is no reason for them to do this if they didn't agree in the first place:

https://www.wizard101.com/game/community/newsletter/

"Community member Logan Nightblade (Life Wizard) wrote this amazing Wizard101 Cosmology blog post detailing the astronomical lore of the Spiral"

With this, I propose the God Tiers of Wizard101 be upgraded to 2-A. This would apply to:

The Creator

Grandfather Spider

Grandmother Rave

Bartleby

The Player

The Storm Tita

The Ice Tita

The Fire Tita

Agree: Ryukama, Andytrenom, Wokista, DarkDragonMedeus, Ben CleverName

 

[Ryukama]

This seems fine to me. Especially when WoG literally supported these revisions.

 

[Andytrenom]

The definitions I looked up point to Endless being without or seeming to be without end. This also matches up with how I see it being used, So no it's not the basic definition, even if it's a perfectly feasible

More of a nitpick though, I don't see any immediate issues with 2-A applying here

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah I've been pretty confused by not considering endless stuff as infinite, as that would be contradictory. To be not infinite would be to be finite, which would be to have an end. You can't be endless and have an end at the same time.

Sure you might have issues with "should this be literal" but there's nothing that doesn't already apply to statements of infinity.

 

[Ryukama]

I totally agree with Wok

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Personally, I have disagreements with Endless never meaning infinite; albeit is should depend on context rather than a dictionary definition. I'm not saying it means infinite by default, but Endless can be a supporting statement for infinite. Countless, Innumerable, Measureless, many, or even Immeasurable would just be 2-B for sure as those just mean super big number that can't be properly counted or difficult to properly grasp. But the word end can mean the edge of something or upper limit; so having the lack of an end can equate to having the lack of an upper-limit aka Infinite or Unlimited.

Endless could mean infinite when describing the size of a void, or the lifespan of someone or something to get Immortality type 1. But the number of planets within a galaxy definitely would not mean infinite, nor the number of enemy waves zombies, that clearly doesn't mean infinite because there is no way an infinite number of something can fit inside a clearly finite space. But the number of universes in the multiverse, I personally think it's knit picky to force endless not meaning infinite as long as nothing contradicts it.

And if the multiverse is described as always expanding endlessly, then it would just be massive degrees of 2-B that approaches 2-A, but not quite reaching 2-A. But if it's described as "Was, is, and always will be endless or boundless" then the multiverse could be 2-A structured. And the last refute is "It being prone to hyperboles" really doesn't help the cause as even the word "Infinite" is just as prone to hyperboles.

Though, I'm neutral on this and I know I recall Everlasting mentioning problems with the current ratings.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Me and Ben have addressed Everlasting's concerns in a previous thread, with no reply given for months now. I have offered to debate Everlasting on discord as well, to no avail and no acceptance.

The primary reasoning was the existence of timelines, however WoG has now twice said yes to the existence of timelines, and the developers have taken the cosmology as official on their own website. Along with all the new other statements of other worlds and dimensions. On top of that, the existence of the Reverie and the reflection caves

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Hmm, I see. Then it seems fine then. But I have doubts that 2-A will be accepted given the contradictions I hear then and there. But 2-B should still be good at least.

 

[Ben_CleverName]

I've never even spoken to Everlasting before and I don't know how to get into contact with him either. I'm more than willing to defend 2-A Wizard101 for anyone who might have any doubts though.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems fine to me as well.

 

[Ryukama]

Me and Ben have addressed Everlasting's concerns in a previous thread, with no reply given for months now.

*Ben and I ovo

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@ryu No U, dad #1

Well since everyone seems to agree, shall I apply the changes?

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably fine.

 

[InfiniteSped]

So, endless = infinite now?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems to mean the same thing. "Uncountable" is still just 2-B though.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Alright. The profiles have been updated. This can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.