Wizard (Destiny) vs Ein

[Bernkastelll]

Wizard (Destiny)

The Wizards are a prevalent morph of the Hive, made up of those who have transcended the form of Acolyte and used their accumulated tithes to express themselves as this form. They are the scalpel with which the Hive vivisect the universe, making up their elite researchers, schemers, and leaders...

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Ein (Web Novel)

Ein is the first family Kuro found, and a super versatile perfect maid. She is the only Demon to have the rank of Duke, as while she is comparable to the Six Kings in strength, she refused to be put on the same rank as Kuro. Tier: High 6-A to Low 5-B | 5-C to 5-B Key: Pre-Final Arc | Final Arc...

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Both at 5-C

speed equal

 

[JediMindTrickz]

I'm not at all familiar with either verses, but it looks like Ein has a massive AP advantage? I'll wait until others comment.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

What does Ein start with? Assuming the wizard is a deathsinger, she'll probably use the deathsong first

 

[Noneless21]

What does Ein start with? Assuming the wizard is a deathsinger, she'll probably use the deathsong first

Conceptual level time stop

Btw, @Bernkastelll you should probably tag these matches because there's no tags here

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Conceptual level time stop

Btw, @Bernkastelll you should probably tag these matches because there's no tags here

Well Taken Wizards resist conceptual and space-time manipulation but I guess thats not enough? since time stop is more specific

 

[Noneless21]

I dunno actually, but she can do many things like make her own time faster if her time stop didn't work, she also has experience fighting someone that has similiar power aka conceptual level time manip

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Aight, so assuming the time stop works, I guess it's a "who draw first" situation

 

[Noneless21]

Aight, so assuming the time stop works, I guess it's a "who draw first" situation

So what does wizard do? If there's some mind fuckery, then it probably won't work because ein's mind resistance is at 5D possibly 7D level

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

So what does wizard do? If there's some mind fuckery, then it probably won't work because ein's mind resistance is at 5D possibly 7D level

If the wizard is a deathsinger, she will start with a deathsong (Death Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Deathsingers are capable of fundamentally redefining someone or something as dead))

 

[Noneless21]

If the wizard is a deathsinger, she will start with a deathsong (Death Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Deathsingers are capable of fundamentally redefining someone or something as dead))

Then sadly it will also be resisted as ein's death manip is also at 5D possibly 7D iirc, oh and she also resist CM type 2

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Then sadly it will also be resisted as ein's death manip is also at 5D possibly 7D iirc, oh and she also resist CM type 2

Even tho it can also negate High Godly regen?

 

[Noneless21]

Even tho it can also negate High Godly regen?

Hmmm, now that's questionable, so I dunno really

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Hmmm, now that's questionable, so I dunno really

Tbf, I think Ein needs to be affected by the deathsong first so its probably useless since she resists it

 

[Noneless21]

Oh, so ein resist it, and punches wizard to bits then?

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Oh, so ein resist it, and punches wizard to bits then?

You know what, forget everything I said, I just realized that the OP said "Both at 5-C", Wizards in that key dont even have the deathsong.
I think this is a stomp for Ein

 

[Noneless21]

You know what, forget everything I said, I just realized that the OP said "Both at 5-C", Wizards in that key dont even have the deathsong.
I think this is a stomp for Ein

Wait really? Dang, i got cold sweat right there when ein is pitted against destiny character but i guess the ultimate maid strikes again huh

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Wait really? Dang, i got cold sweat right there when ein is pitted against destiny character but i guess the ultimate maid strikes again huh

Well, they could probably beat her with their subjective reality and reality manipulation but her conceptual timestop is a problem for them so yep

 

[Noneless21]

Well, they could probably beat her with their subjective reality and reality manipulation but they cant resist her conceptual timestop so yep

I see..., guess ein stomps, again

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

I see..., guess ein stomps, again

It certainly seems like it, to me at least

Edit : You might want to wait for Whynaut's take on this tho, he is more knowledgeable than me in Destiny

 

[Noneless21]

It certainly seems like it, to me at least

Well, guess we wait for other destiny supporter then

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

I think i'll vote inconclusive, it's really depends on who uses their ability first

 

[Bernkastelll]

Wait, I will try to contact some destiny supporters

 

[Noneless21]

I already contacted Whynaut but try contact other destiny supporter

 

[WHYNAUT]

5-C Wizards very much can have Death songs.

Anyway, the time stop would work (assuming she would be the first to shoot), but what could Ein do after that and fow how long does it last? I don't see much offensive hax on her profile and it states her second key has low stamina.

 

[Noneless21]

5-C Wizards very much can have Death songs.

Anyway, the time stop would work (assuming she would be the first to shoot), but what could Ein do after that and fow how long does it last? I don't see much offensive hax on her profile and it states her second key has low stamina.

As long as she wills it so she can just stop the time indefinitely iirc till her buffs end of course

Tho she did have low godly regen negation and immortal negation but that'a it i think

 

[WHYNAUT]

I see.

Well the Wizard resists those and has immortality and regen neg of her own.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

5-C Wizards very much can have Death songs.

Anyway, the time stop would work (assuming she would be the first to shoot), but what could Ein do after that and fow how long does it last? I don't see much offensive hax on her profile and it states her second key has low stamina.

I thought only ascendant Wizards could become deathsingers?

 

[Noneless21]

Well the Wizard resists those and has immortality and regen neg of her own.

Really? Then i got nothing on her then, but I'm not the most knowledgable at this verse and I'm not too good at debating so I'll just wait for Celestial Pegasus for further inputs but right now Ein doesn't have a good way to put wizard down

 

[WHYNAUT]

I thought only ascendant Wizards could become deathsingers?

There's no known prerequisite for becoming a Deathsinger. You either have an aptitude for it or you don't.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

There's no known prerequisite for becoming a Deathsinger. You either have an aptitude for it or you don't.

Now that I think about it, Sulmâkta was not an ascendant hive. Thats good to know, thanks.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Actually we'd be dealing with a taken wizard for 5-C, which not only have deathsongs but also, ya know, taking. You see where this is going?

 

[WHYNAUT]

They have Blights, yes.

 

[Noneless21]

enlight me please what the **** yall talking about seriously

 

[DaReaperMan]

enlight me please what the **** yall talking about seriously

A passive middle finger that's like 7 different abilities causing Ein to never be able to get close to the Wizard, let alone if it decides to throw its actual active taking

 

[Noneless21]

A passive middle finger that's like 7 different abilities causing Ein to never be able to get close to the Wizard, let alone if it decides to throw its actual active taking

oh good, then it's a stomp in wizards favour, should've realise that once i saw the title destiny next to her name

 

[DaReaperMan]

oh good, then it's a stomp in wizards favour, should've realise that once i saw the title destiny next to her name

Not really, as I don't think taking is thought-based and the passive doesn't have all that much range

 

[Noneless21]

Ein's fighting style consist of cqc so yes she needs to get close to wizard to actually deal damage to her, after that the passives will affect her in many way.

Btw, how this passive works?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Oh yeah, cqc against Taken is not a good idea.

 

[Noneless21]

This is primarly why i don't wanna make a match with isekai at peace character, they lacks real feats like seriously

Maybe Isis is a better match, tho Isis' passive will **** wizard up so it's a stomp for Isis' favour

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ein's fighting style consist of cqc so yes she needs to get close to wizard to actually deal damage to her, after that the passives will affect her in many way.

Btw, how this passive works?

Oh. Well ya kinda get ****** by Corruption, Law Manipulation, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Body Puppetry and Possession. And while EE occurs first, it apsolutely does not have to happen for the rest to take effect.