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Winx Club: Bloom Upgrade

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The Great Dragon isnt just an ordinary dragon anyways, it literally came before everything. It's basically the Arceus of Winx Club only as a dragon. It's fire brought forth everything.
 
Is there a multi-universe structure in the series? Cause just going by what Ever said here, that sounds more like "At least Low 2-C" at most to me.
 
@Cross

Yeah there is. The Magic Dimension has like a dozen or more realms within itself and the magic dimension is linked to other dimensions separate from it as well.
 
Yeah. And don't forget as Ever pointed out the dragon did this just by breathing. So its like low baseline to a decently strong 2-C.
 
However, Bloom herself would be much stronger when she combines the power of her dragon flame with the power of the water stars, which are on the same level as the Great Dragon's power.
 
Mmm.

Actually curious if she'll be of any challenge to anyone. Not to go off-topic, just a thought i had....

Well even then, i'd like to see what others say including the staff......if anyone aside me and Ever and.....whoever else aside here would like to bother being on here at least.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
However, Bloom herself would be much stronger when she combines the power of her dragon flame with the power of the water stars, which are on the same level as the Great Dragon's power.
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but the water stars will hurt her if she's exposed to them
 
Yeah '''when used against her'''. If she's using it to fight someone else they won't hurt her at all. Otherwise she wouldnt have used them in the fight against Valtor if all she was doing was destroying herself.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Yeah when used against her. If she's using it to fight someone else they won't hurt her at all. Otherwise she wouldnt have used them in the fight against Valtor if all she was doing was destroying herself.
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didn't she need too put a sheld on her self to pertect her? and last I checked there only useful when used aganst the dragon fire.
 
I don't remember that part about the shield. i'll have to rewatch that part to make sure. But I think your interpretting things wrong a bit. The water stars''' being the only thing to counter the dragon fire '''doesnt mean they '''only''' '''counter dragon fire'''.
 
Honestly it wouldnt mattter either way. Because even if we ignore that, Bloom would still be higher as she defeated Acheron who created the Legendarium dimension and has a spell that can destroy multiple universes.
 
Oh yeah I forgot, and this is my mistake too, but we should also remove Bloom's fatigue weakness. Its'an inconsistent limitation and doesnt make sense.
 
@Darkanine Well, existing outside of time only seems like an Infinite speed feat, not an Immeasurable one.
 
Wouldn't they need to transcend time in order to get Immeasurable Speed? If they do then there's no problem
 
@Ant. I thought existing outside of both time and space was Immeasurable? If that's just Infinite, then Infinite seems appropriate.
 
I could try and see if the Etheral Fairies transcend space-time if its required.

Though wouldnt the Golden Kingdom transcend space-time?
 
As far as I understand, naturally existing outside of time is Infinite, whereas transcending both linear time and 3-D distance is immeasurable.
 
So... Infinite instead of Immeasurable. I can live with that TBH , unless specific proof is nprovided. But, still due to Professor Kukui's feat of defeang Acheron, I still believe she is higher than Low 2-C, and likely 2-C.
 
Another thing to notice is that despite being needed to unseal Acheron, it was such an small amount of power that Bloom didn't even notice Selina even took any , so she at the very least would scale to Acheron .
 
Also guys Acheron is actually much much stronger than we're giving him credit for and this will affect Bloom too.

Apparently, from the way im looking at it, the Legendarium dimension is not just a single one. Like the Magic Dimension it has multiple other worlds inside itself. Heck it even has a whole universe JUST for the Doorway of the Worlds.......and reason why? The Legendarium World is a dimension that contains all the legends, fictional tales and ,myths of the entire Magic Dimension. In other words, this is where the stories are real as its an imaginary world. The legends do not appear to be in the same world as each story is vastly different, taking place in different stories completely. So it would mean each story that the legendarium holds is its own world. And other than the universe for the DoTWs, there's at least 21 confirmed stories in the legendarium and there's likely a far far bigger amount since it covers all the legends and myths in the verse. This will upgrade Acheron since he created the Legendarium in the first place and Bloom who's tiny small amount of power from the Dragon Flame was required to unseal Acheron and she beat him later on anyway.

Also something else I find interesting. The Doorway to the Worlds is a very important figure in the Legendarium World. It is considered to be the keeper of all knowledge. Basically this thing would be omniscient. Since it lives in the Legendarium World and Acheron created it, wouldnt this mean he created an omniscient being???
 
That... escelated quickly. I also agree with this. That's literally an higher 2-C than expected.

Well ... Hmm ... Umm ... Well then ... What power would that exactly give him though ? Seems like Omniscience Bestowal TBH
 
I want to agree with you, but i am not completely sure about that .

So, to recap new information:

Bloom at least scales to Achereon, who created Legendarium. Legendarium has at least 21 worlds/universes with space-time in each supposedly , due to each legends existing within an universe by itself.

This would scaled ( stop if anything seems wrong ) to Great Dragon ( OBVIOUSLY ) , Valknor , Darkar , Achereon, Bloom / Dark Bloom, Dalphne ( During Possession of Dragon Flame ) , Trix ( When they had that power in season 1 ) , other Winx with Bloomix ( A LITTLE BIT / More than likely scales to an Incredibly Casual Bloom ) , Water Stars , Fire Eaters ( Due to them only being effected by Bloom's attacks when Vortex of Flames was added to Bloom's Dragon Flame, fusing it ) , Arcadia , & Ethereal Fairies. *Phew* .
 
The Great Dragon pretty much is Bloom's power so yeah he'd scale, especially when such a ridiculously small part of its power taken from Bloom was required to unseal Acheron.

Valknor....you mean Valtor? Im not sure. Yes only a very small piece of the flame was taken from Bloom but she was in her Mythix form at the time, which is ridiculously superior to Valtor, someone who is slightly weaker than Enchantix Bloom. It depends on how we portray the dragon flame when used by blooms other forms and if those forms really increase the flames power by such an amount.

Darkar should be okay since he's basically the darker version of the G.D. IIRC.

Daphne's fine too since she was a keeper of the Dragon Flame like Bloom is now.

Dark Bloom I disagree with. That was just a darker version of Charmix Bloom, the weakest form of Bloom who was fodder to even Valtor without Enchantix. I don't think just baseline Dragon Flame without enchancements like Enchantix or Belevix is able to be scaled but it depends on how we treat the flame in all incarnations.

Trix I agree with since they also obtained Daphne's power in S6.

Bloomix Winx.....not completely scaled since they only had mere fragments of the flame but im okay with them being higher than intended.

Water Stars are the same level as the G.D. so I agree.

Fire Eaters im not sure, could you clarify a bit more please?

Arcadia and the E.F.'s should be fine since Arcadia is strong enough to keep the water stars power under control and the E.F.'s would be just as strong as Arcadia.
 
Also I'd like to discuss the matter of whether or not the dimension of the Golden Kingdom is beyond space-time since it could possibly give Immeasurable Speed.
 
The GD I obviously knew.

Valtor and many others are the problem. I do not know if the Dragon Flame receives an boost of extra power. Even in her normal , basic transformation form, Trix felt she had the full power of the Dragon Flame from their sensor. So, does the Dragon Flame get stronger as she learns new forms, or ..?

Awesome.

Okay.

Same opinion as Valtor TBH

This was the one I knew for certain.

That was my intention.

I also agree

Fire eaters were treated as being superior to Dragon's Flame , and were meant to test the Dragon Flame's Fairy Vessel. They can only be hurt by the Vortex of the Flames , which were said tro give Bloom trouble. Dalphne also treated them as an threat similar to this.

Arcadia seemed alright to me.
 
I'd believe so. Even in her basic form Charmix Bloom can have the full power of the G.D. for having the dragon flame. Basically her basic form's power is purely the flame for it literally being the source of her fairy powers. But as she grows stronger as a fairy like getting higher up transformations the said power of her flame should be increased. That's the problem I see here. Basically the run-down is the Dragon Flame's power does get stronger when Bloom receives a new form, but the question now is does each form do any signifigant increases to her dragon flame to make it vastly superior than before or just decently stronger. If vastly stronger, than Valtor should definitely not scale to her Mythix dragon flame. But if only decently stronger then he should be fine to scale despite the obvious gap between Enchantix Bloom and Mythix Bloom.

Ahh I see. Im not sure about the eaters because they seem to be a similar case to the Beast of the Depths, which was heavily denied due to no feats and only baseless claims of being superior to the Dragon Flame.

I think Everlasting should have a say about both these cases.
 
I see. Let's discuss then. Concerning the Golden Kingdom, they mention being outside time , but do not mention space. They do describe it as being in another dimension altogether, but I do not know what this implies, if anything at all.
 
That is the biggest problem here with scaling. Even her base form has the full G.D's basic Dragon Flame . I do believe as well that The Everlasting should have a thing or two to say about this case. For now, I shall ceast.
 
Kk. Ive asked him to come back here again so for now lets put that to the side and wait for him to come.

In the meantime, I think I found something that might suggest the Golden Kingdom is a different space-time. For one, the wiki mentions that the Golden Kingdom is one of the dimensions that has a link to the Magic Dimension but is entirely separate from it, not inside it. Secondly, I rewatched the episode in S3 called "Beyond the Magic Dimension" and when the Specialists use their ship to try and get the Winx to reach some forest thats on the other side of The Barrier of Magix, Timmy describes the location as not having any location like its not even there. Like it doesnt even exist and as they get closer Timmy says something about them "reaching the end of the world". Would this imply anything about higher dimensions?
 
DO you mean beyond the dimensions located within the Legendarium ? Hmm... If that is what that is, it is an fascinating find.

BTW, What about the Winx consistently being able to fly to other dimensions within seconds ?
 
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