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i wrote most of this while tired, so if i don't make sense, don't hesitate to ask me to rewrite some stuff
Intro
The William Afton profile is outdated due to new information given to us in Ruin. It also includes a key for William as he appears in the Fazbear's Frights series, which is more likely than not, a different continuity and should thus have it's own profile. So today, I'll be tackling three big changes: William's Pre-Springlock Key and UCN key unmerging, William's Fazbear's Frights key being moved to its own profile, and separating William from the Glitchtrap
Separating Pre-Springlock and Ultimate Custom Night Keys
The current profile lists all of UCN William's powers under a tabber for his alive key, but as they are very different both powers-wise and in the storyline, for the sake of organization, I think these need to be split into two keys. What we're doing now with it is fine, I just think it's a bit messy.
Fazbear's Frights Canonicity
While the Fazbear's Frights series was accepted as canon in this thread, I can't help but feel this verdict was... dubious. It relies on a very uninformed and basic understanding of this post, and I'm here to clear things up.
First of all... nothing in the post says FF is canon to the games? This is obvious just from looking at it! Here's the post,
Using the phrase "look to the novels to fill in some blanks to the past" to say that the FF series is in the same continuity as the games is perhaps the most extreme interpretation possible. For example, the novel trilogy, which is clearly a separate continuity, is marketed the exact same way, and despite being in the same universe, it's very clear they exist in a different continuity.
Novel trilogy is apart of the FNaF universe, same with the FF series. However, they were stated to be in separate continuities. "Universe" here means "series".
The Fazbear's Frights book are canon, that's undeniable. However, they are also clearly a different continuity. I want to point out that the FNaF wiki, known for being very careful with what theories they accept, has deemed FF as a different continuity.
To further prove this, let's look as some differences between the FF continuity and the game's continuity.
It's safer due to lacking confirmation either way, it's cleaner, and it's more in-line with what the author intended. Scott stated that while some may be connected to the games and novel trilogy, some aren't. The books themselves notes that they are from different corners of series canon. (on the back cover)
TL;DR - Fazbear Frights isn't confirmed to be in the game's canon. It hasn't been HARD deconfirmed either, but several things point to it being different, including Scott claiming that the stories take place in multiple continuities. Separating them on the wiki is the most accurate and safe option, and is what the series' own wiki does.
Burntrap, Glitchtrap, and the Mimic
Oh boy. Here we go.
So, THE MIMIC. The Mimic is a character introduced in the Tales From the Pizzaplex book series, a spiritual successor to FF while not existing in the same continuity.
Before you bring up the heart pendant in Frailty, this is a reference. The pendants have different powers and likely are not supposed to be the same pendant, and the FNaF wiki says as much. FF pendant has illusion powers, TFTPP pendant has healing powers. Let's wait for more confirmation to come out before ruling that these two book series share a continuity.
Back on track though, Mimic appears in TFTPP, and then becomes the main antagonist of Ruin, Security Breach's DLC sequel. It would appear that this Mimic is the same one from the books, as stories such as GGY and The Storyteller are apart of SB canon. I am willing to rule these as different profiles, however there is much more evidence connecting TFTPP's continuity to SB's.
Now for the complicated part. The Mimic is (probably) Glitchtrap, as almost confirmed here and here. It's implied to the same entity that possessed Vanessa and Gregory.
This, of course, means that William isn't Glitchtrap. He gets that key removed.
It's also worth noting that Burntrap isn't canon. He's Gregory's OC from a drawing he made. The Burntrap ending is non-canon. The 'Save Vanessa' ending of SB is canon, as proven in Ruin.
However, whether or not Glitchtrap and Mimic are the same is headcanon either way. That is the sad reality of the FNaF franchise. While I can list all of the implications that Mimic is Glitchtrap, it'd ultimately just be speculation with evidence to support it
I wanna suggest giving Glitchtrap his own profile, seperate from both Mimic and William, with a note at the bottom that he may be either one of them, we just lack definitive proof.
For example, the FNaF wiki has this note on their pages;
THREAD TL,DR
Intro
The William Afton profile is outdated due to new information given to us in Ruin. It also includes a key for William as he appears in the Fazbear's Frights series, which is more likely than not, a different continuity and should thus have it's own profile. So today, I'll be tackling three big changes: William's Pre-Springlock Key and UCN key unmerging, William's Fazbear's Frights key being moved to its own profile, and separating William from the Glitchtrap
Separating Pre-Springlock and Ultimate Custom Night Keys
The current profile lists all of UCN William's powers under a tabber for his alive key, but as they are very different both powers-wise and in the storyline, for the sake of organization, I think these need to be split into two keys. What we're doing now with it is fine, I just think it's a bit messy.
Fazbear's Frights Canonicity
While the Fazbear's Frights series was accepted as canon in this thread, I can't help but feel this verdict was... dubious. It relies on a very uninformed and basic understanding of this post, and I'm here to clear things up.
First of all... nothing in the post says FF is canon to the games? This is obvious just from looking at it! Here's the post,
I've enjoyed the memes roasting me about the plot-line lately, but it does have a serious underlying concern from many in the community, and I hear you. The question is this; is the lore solvable?
Since that's kind of like asking Is the story complete, in an ongoing story, it's difficult to answer. So, let me say this instead. Over the next few years there are a lot of projects planned, and most are very story driven. Lots of the later stories will answer some of the biggest questions from the fan base over this past year, in my opinion.
Very few people will likely ever feel completely satisfied, as there are just too many head canons out there and so many great ideas on where the story could go, but I think there are good things to be found for people who are looking. All I can do is say that some questions will be answered; even if it may not always be the answer you wanted. Be patient. Let me at least say this; future games will look forward; but look to the novels to fill in some of blanks to the past!
Everyone in the community has been really great, and I'm working hard to bring you some great things in 2020 and beyond!
Since that's kind of like asking Is the story complete, in an ongoing story, it's difficult to answer. So, let me say this instead. Over the next few years there are a lot of projects planned, and most are very story driven. Lots of the later stories will answer some of the biggest questions from the fan base over this past year, in my opinion.
Very few people will likely ever feel completely satisfied, as there are just too many head canons out there and so many great ideas on where the story could go, but I think there are good things to be found for people who are looking. All I can do is say that some questions will be answered; even if it may not always be the answer you wanted. Be patient. Let me at least say this; future games will look forward; but look to the novels to fill in some of blanks to the past!
Everyone in the community has been really great, and I'm working hard to bring you some great things in 2020 and beyond!
Using the phrase "look to the novels to fill in some blanks to the past" to say that the FF series is in the same continuity as the games is perhaps the most extreme interpretation possible. For example, the novel trilogy, which is clearly a separate continuity, is marketed the exact same way, and despite being in the same universe, it's very clear they exist in a different continuity.
Novel trilogy is apart of the FNaF universe, same with the FF series. However, they were stated to be in separate continuities. "Universe" here means "series".
The Fazbear's Frights book are canon, that's undeniable. However, they are also clearly a different continuity. I want to point out that the FNaF wiki, known for being very careful with what theories they accept, has deemed FF as a different continuity.
To further prove this, let's look as some differences between the FF continuity and the game's continuity.
- The character of Cassidy/The One You Should Not Have Killed has been changed into Andrew. Even without using the mountain of evidence that Cassidy is TOYSNHK, Andrew differs from UCN's version of TOYSNHK, namely due to the complete absence of the Stitchwraith.
- Michael Afton, Springtrap, Charlie Emily, and possibly Baby are still alive in FF despite dying at the end of FNaF6. These characters are dead in the games, so their reappearance in the FF series implies a different series of events.
- Golden Freddy's entire presence in Fazbear's Frights differs from the games.
- Many more I can provided if needed
It's safer due to lacking confirmation either way, it's cleaner, and it's more in-line with what the author intended. Scott stated that while some may be connected to the games and novel trilogy, some aren't. The books themselves notes that they are from different corners of series canon. (on the back cover)
TL;DR - Fazbear Frights isn't confirmed to be in the game's canon. It hasn't been HARD deconfirmed either, but several things point to it being different, including Scott claiming that the stories take place in multiple continuities. Separating them on the wiki is the most accurate and safe option, and is what the series' own wiki does.
Burntrap, Glitchtrap, and the Mimic
Oh boy. Here we go.
So, THE MIMIC. The Mimic is a character introduced in the Tales From the Pizzaplex book series, a spiritual successor to FF while not existing in the same continuity.
Before you bring up the heart pendant in Frailty, this is a reference. The pendants have different powers and likely are not supposed to be the same pendant, and the FNaF wiki says as much. FF pendant has illusion powers, TFTPP pendant has healing powers. Let's wait for more confirmation to come out before ruling that these two book series share a continuity.
Back on track though, Mimic appears in TFTPP, and then becomes the main antagonist of Ruin, Security Breach's DLC sequel. It would appear that this Mimic is the same one from the books, as stories such as GGY and The Storyteller are apart of SB canon. I am willing to rule these as different profiles, however there is much more evidence connecting TFTPP's continuity to SB's.
Now for the complicated part. The Mimic is (probably) Glitchtrap, as almost confirmed here and here. It's implied to the same entity that possessed Vanessa and Gregory.
This, of course, means that William isn't Glitchtrap. He gets that key removed.
It's also worth noting that Burntrap isn't canon. He's Gregory's OC from a drawing he made. The Burntrap ending is non-canon. The 'Save Vanessa' ending of SB is canon, as proven in Ruin.
However, whether or not Glitchtrap and Mimic are the same is headcanon either way. That is the sad reality of the FNaF franchise. While I can list all of the implications that Mimic is Glitchtrap, it'd ultimately just be speculation with evidence to support it
I wanna suggest giving Glitchtrap his own profile, seperate from both Mimic and William, with a note at the bottom that he may be either one of them, we just lack definitive proof.
For example, the FNaF wiki has this note on their pages;
- Please note that while there is evidence suggesting that The Mimic, Glitchtrap, and Burntrap are all one and the same, they will be treated as separate entities on this wiki for the sake of unbiased documentation until further, concrete evidence is provided.
THREAD TL,DR
- Pre-Springtrap William and UCN William are pretty different, they need different keys.
- Fazbear Frights isn't confirmed to be apart of the game's continuity, with heavy implications that it isn't, and as such should not be on the William Afton (Games) profile. FF content for William will become it's own profile
- The Mimic, Glitchtrap, and Burntrap are likely the same entity, but as a lack of definitive proof exists, they should be separated with a note explaining why. William loses his Glitchtrap key.
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