Gilad_Hyperstar
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Yeah I know. I later realized it's not even Infinite so the point is moot
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Why isn't Hit low 2-C?
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Low 2-C comes from Jiren being much stronger than Infinite Zamasu + superior to GoD including Beerus; that's it. WoV itself isn't the reason but it's still statements confirming the scaling.
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I'm not doubting Low 2-C Jiren, but UIO Goku (before UIO3) and SSB Goku Post UIO2 should NOT be Low 2-C, because they don't scale to Jiren
As you said, the scaling comes from Jiren, and not from Goku or Vegeta, meaning that there's no reason to scale them also to Low 2-C
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Neverknew.
Yh,I think they reached the state of gods in TOP
Since it's world of void maybe 3-B or 3A as dragon ball universes aren't normal at all. Only universe 7 is like 6 to 7 times larger than a normal universe.
I thought it's stated that jiren has god-like abilities in the translation group. Not his superior.
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Ah yes because the kaioshen totally didn't state that whole null world was getting shaken.
Check the fight again, vegeta dodged and landed a solid kick against jiren, jiren even complimented his strength, something UI goku never did
UI goku is also stated to be possibly stronger than beerus, making him at worst weaker slightly than beerus, realistically as strong but slightly stronger
His presence made jiren nervous.
So yes UI goku definitely scales to beerus
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第11宇宙最強の戦士。
その実力は破壊神にも及ぶと言われている!
The strongest warrior of Universe 11.
It is said that his abilities reaches that of a God of Destruction!
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No doubt.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Only UIO3 Goku, who went toe to toe with full power Jiren, scale to Goku. The rest don't compare in the slightest
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Yeah, because I also remember that Jiren took his Final Flash with no issue at all
And UIO1 Goku definitely doesn't scale to Beerus. Only maybe UIO3 Goku scales to him
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So UI will keep his rating, ssbe vegeta and ssb goku will keep their low 2-C rating. Since ssb definitely did better than ui which scales possibly above beerus, but ssb could definitely scale above beerus since its stronger than his UI
Hit preformed much better than goku in his Ui, landing a solid hit against jiren, pushing him and surving multiple if jiren attack, plus making him exert more force with his time related abilities
Hit preformed much better than goku in his Ui, landing a solid hit against jiren, pushing him and surving multiple if jiren attack, plus making him exert more force with his time related abilities
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"Stated to be possibly stronger than beerus " doesn't scale
"Jiren complementing vegeta, landing a solid kick while the same vegeta defeated a god level opponent " doesn't scale
"Ssb goku performing much better " doesn't scale
"Hit performing better than ui, save and ssb goku" doesn't scale
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Jiren was merely surprised by that kick, and shrugged it off like nothing.
Jiren also took his strongest Final Flash head on and not only was he undamaged by it, but he also was knocked out with a single blast by him, meaning he don't scale at all, and attempting to scale him to Jiren is utterly ridiculous
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Or maybe when he tanked the final flash he raised his power enough to take it?
That kick alone was more impressive than all the stuff UI goku did, jiren himself complimented vegeta, but he didn't even bother with UI goku
Gilad_Hyperstar
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UIO1 Goku doesn't even scale to Suppressed Jiren, let alone Full Power Jiren who is rivaling Beerus at his full power.
Already explained the kick. Vegeta did nothing to him as a SSB and was one shotted right after his Final Flash (which is far more powerful than that kick and did absolutely nothing)
Goku objectively didn't performed better. Jiren was off guard when Vegeta kicked him
Hit only performed somewhat better because of his time shenanigens
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Headcanon. Unless you can prove to me that Jiren did that (either by someone mentioning he powered up, or feats of him doing so, since the visuals and dialouge don't say it at all. Hell, Vegeta thought he ended Jiren after the Final Flash only to discover he was so wrong)
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Hit did better against jiren & he took blows regardless from the same suppressed jiren who just fought UIO Goku moments ago
Give a property reason why hit doesnt scale?
I See hit is low 2-C in every way
Give a property reason why hit doesnt scale?
I See hit is low 2-C in every way
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Uhm jiren in his suppressed state stated to surpass his own god, be the strongest ki they ever felt coming from the kaioshen who sensed beerus ki.
Stated to be at the level of gods multiple times, and this is all before he unleashed his full power.
UI GOKU is at least equally or slightly than beerus
Goku and vegeta didn't get on shotted immediately like when goku got in his UI, jiren complimented vegeta, yet he literally didn't even bother talking to UI
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Headcanon
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Why would anyone need to mention he powered up? Why would anyone mention it? He took his kick, adud more damage than UI attacks. His final flash did nothing, it's either the final flash weajer or jiren raised his power to take it
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Ok I didnt read other things but the first thing isnt like that Jiren's hidden full power > his God they said that because how much he was Holding back against goku
Suppressed Jiren doesnt scale to his god
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Every statement regarding jiren power didn't indicate his full power, we only seen his full power in the last minutes of the T.O.P
Gilad_Hyperstar
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You mentionted it to claim why he supposedly overpowered by Vegeta's kick before but not only shook off a far more powerful attack, but OHKO-ed him immediately afterwards
Unless you can prove it, you're going off by pure headcanon
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id put "At least Universe level, Possibly Universe level+" or sum idk
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Exactly. The only thing they do say is that he's likely stronger than IZ
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Qh yes, the kick that he bothers shaking off, yet all of UI attack did literally nothing to him!
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UI goku getting stated by beerus that he may surpass him, indicating that he is at least as strong as beerus.
All of UI goku attacks did less damage than vegeta kick, jiren even complimented it while he didn't to UI goku
Hit taking multiple jiren attacks, and even doing more damage than UI goku, post UI goku ssb, vegeta combined
All of UI goku attacks did less damage than vegeta kick, jiren even complimented it while he didn't to UI goku
Hit taking multiple jiren attacks, and even doing more damage than UI goku, post UI goku ssb, vegeta combined
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That GoD Statement is due to Holding back actually
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Jiren was off guard when Vegeta did that to him, and he was shown to no sell it at all and continued like nothing happened.
Even if that would be legit, it's an outlier since:
Jiren >> Vegeta (Full Power Final Flash) > Vegeta's simple kick > Jiren????
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Ohhh thanks for telling me!
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I think "likely" Though it should be straight up Low 2-C
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Or or jiren used more power, jiren complimenting him, and remember this vegeta beat someone at the level of gods , making the feat less outlier ish
Gilad_Hyperstar
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May surpass him means he might do this in the future, which he did, but this doesn't mean at all that UIO1 Goku >> Full Power Beerus
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Hit should be low 2-c for taking multiple attacks from jiren, hurting koren and making him use more force against him than he did against UI goku
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Welcome btw what do U think about spirit bomb > infinite zamasu?!?
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Ah yes because stating that someone can and possibly surpass you doesn't mean your full power, only 1% of your power silly me.
And even with that statement, goku would be at the very least as strong or slightly weaker than beerus
Gilad_Hyperstar
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First one is headcanon
Vegeta beated God Toppo only in the episode AFTER that fight, in a much higher form (SSBE) and with literally using all his ki in the process for one final attack (Final Explosion), which is far more powerful than regular SSBE attacks. And Jiren no selled SSBE as well...
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I could definitely see it since the energy was coming from everyone and made belmod slightly nervous
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And jiren complimented vegeta.
Mind you that jiren after facing UI goku he never conplimted Him
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Hardly. And just before then Jiren clearly states that despite his arrogance Vegeta is no match for him and will never be
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He complimented him, vegeta took jiren by surprise.
Meanwhile UI goku got knocked out, not even complimented, he didn't even bother talking to him.
And UI still ultimately scales from beerus from that statement which beerus himself stated it.
So hit will also scale since he preformed better than UI goku
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