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Why isn't Hit low 2-C?

Something something jiren being super held back before actually fighting ui goku and thus hit not scaling to him at all.
 
UIO Goku didn't damaged Jiren any more than Hit did, so if Goku is Low 2-C, Hit should probably be Low 2-C as well

Either that, or none of them should scale to held back Jiren (as he basically blocked UIO Goku's attacks with ease and Goku could not damage him), and should be downgraded to 3-A since the Low 2-C thing applies to Jiren rather than to Goku
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
UIO Goku didn't damaged Jiren any more than Hit did, so if Goku is Low 2-C, Hit should probably be Low 2-C as well

Either that, or none of them should scale to held back Jiren (as he basically blocked UIO Goku's attacks with ease and Goku could not damage him), and should be downgraded to 3-A since the Low 2-C thing applies to Jiren rather than to Goku
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I actually agree
 
This has been discussed quite a few times, but Jiren literally did not really fight back and his guard was down, and Jiren pretty much stomped him without even trying shortly afterwards. Also, Hit consistently struggled against Dyspo earlier in the tournament and even needed to be rescued by SSG Goku at one point.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
This has been discussed quite a few times, but Jiren literally did not really fight back and his guard was down, and Jiren pretty much stomped him without even trying shortly afterwards. Also, Hit consistently struggled against Dyspo earlier in the tournament and even needed to be rescued by SSG Goku at one point.
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Jiren also stomped UIO1 Goku. The only reason Goku even kept up is because he was dodging Jiren's attacks with UIO

He literally couldn't damage Jiren at all even at this suppressed state, and while he did much better than SSBKK20 Goku did, he still didn't manage to affect Jiren and the latter never powered up even against UIO1 Goku
 
UIO1 still scales for other reasons, Beerus sensed hints of him having potential to surpass himself and even a casual Jiren was clearly noted to be superior to Zamasu. And Jiren pretty much didn't think Hit was worth it but kept seeing more and more potential in Goku.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
UIO1 still scales for other reasons, Beerus sensed hints of him having potential to surpass himself and even a casual Jiren was clearly noted to be superior to Zamasu. And Jiren pretty much didn't think Hit was worth it but kept seeing more and more potential in Goku.
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Having the potential to surpass Beerus doesn't imply he scales to him, only that he potentially can do it (Which he does in UIO3 and MUI)

When UIO1 Goku was stated to surpass Casual Jiren? Because he never managed to affect him at all with his punches and only managed to survive better than his SSBKK20 form with his instictive reactions. Jiren never powered up once even against UIO1 Goku and would've easily defeated him had Goku not kept dodging the attacks due to instictive reactions.
 
I still don't really understand why UIO1-2/ Post UIO2 SSB Goku is Low 2-C, as he never hurted Jiren at all and only managed to keep up due to Instinctive Reactions to dodge his attacks
 
They're both stated to be stronger than Zamasu, where as Hit has no statement.
 
Well for goku he shook the world of void and stated by beerus to "possibly surpass " making him at least in the same tier as beerus, with high possibly of being as strong as him and with a small possibility of being stronger than him.
Or it should be otherwise, with high possiblily for being stronger than beerus, and small one for being as strong as him
 
Yeah, Hit parried and withstood too many of Jiren's blows to not scale, at least the time cage should.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
They also sensed Goku and Jiren's PL's as being fairly even
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Who exactly? The humans who can't sense God Ki?

The only ones who can actually gauge Goku's power in relation to Jiren are Vegeta, the Kais, Beerus and Whis, but they all remain silent and doesn't mention anything in relation to Goku's power
 
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Still brought up above that Goku shook the World of Void, and they question whether or not Goku is starting to surpass Beerus or not. And that's already what's causing Beerus to tremble in fear.
 
The very fact that they even stated that goku might surpass beerus prove that the writers thinks that goku in Ui is comparable at the very least to beerus.
He also surpassed himself after it as his ssb form was performing better than he did in UI state
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Still brought up above that Goku shook the World of Void, and they question whether or not Goku is starting to surpass Beerus or not. And that's already what's causing Beerus to tremble in fear.
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Looked at the scene, and Goku never did that. All it was is Goku powering up, and unlike the Toeiverse SSJ3 Goku feat where we actually see the shaking, here we don't see even that.

Goku never shook the world of void, and definitely not the Infinite size of it. Especially when the visuals don't imply that at all, and there's no statement regarding that

Also, wasn't Infinite World of Void was agreed as a mistranslation or something?
 
Orange said:
The very fact that they even stated that goku might surpass beerus prove that the writers thinks that goku in Ui is comparable at the very least to beerus.
He also surpassed himself after it as his ssb form was performing better than he did in UI state
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No he didn't. SSB Goku and Vegeta did absolytely nothing to Jiren in the second fight, and Jiren took Vegeta's most powerful Final Flash as SSB with absolutely no damage at all.

Hell, Vegeta went SSBE and Goku went SSBKK20 very shortly after, and still couldn't damage Jiren at all
 
World of Void being infinite in size is a mistranslation yes, but it does dwarf the size of the 12 universes at least as far as 3D perspectives are concerned. But still, what Orange is saying about UI Goku is still correct, that it's Goku and Jiren that are implied to be GoD tier.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
World of Void being infinite in size is a mistranslation yes, but it does dwarf the size of the 12 universes at least as far as 3D perspectives are concerned.
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That's still just a higher degree of 3-A. Not to mention it's not even necessarily 3-A as shaking the actual Universe is like 3-C or something iirc

And as I said, nothing said that Goku shook the world of void in its entirety, nor the visuals suggests it in any way
 
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