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Why is Naruto only Small Planet level?

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In the Last, we see Toneri capable of moving the moon. This was calced to be 8.75 exatonnes. However, we know that Naruto in KCM mode at half his power was able to punch Toneri so hard he dissolved both the Tenseigan Chakra Mode and the Tenseigan, meaning the energy output of his punch alone was >8.75 exatonnes.

Now, taking this calc we see that Naruto's Rasengan is 1.09 zetatonnes.


Before debunking this, allow me to explain


When Hinata uses Hamura's chakra to amp Naruto, she says that no other chakra can be used or it will be absorbed by the ball. This means that Hamura's chakra is the only thing that affects said ball, unlike some kryptonite.


Now, when Toneri absorbs Naruto's half of KCM power
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she tries to use Hamura's chakra to refill his Chakra reserves, which allows him to access KCM again. But Hinata does not use this chakra ever again in the movie, nor has their been any mention of that chakra being passed down to their kids(and as shown from Kaguya's sons and Hagoromo's sons, a small portion of their own Chakra was passed down too, so it would logically mean some of Hamura's chakra as well as Hagoromo's Chakra should have passed down into Boruto and Himawari, but it hasn't. Also, in the Boruto movie and Boruto manga, Hinata isn't seen using the chakra mode at all. So it can be assumed she lost it just by giving Naruto his chakra back.


This means that Naruto with KCM can output a Rasengan with Small Planet Level attack potency.


Now, coming to Toneri


When he absorbs Naruto's half of Kurama Chakra, he claims that
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he will destroy the world with this light of Justice. This can be taken as true because Toneri severely underestimated Naruto throughout their fight, never believing him to be capable of beating him. So he wouldn't be lying, plus even the plot dictates that he would have destroyed Earth. This should mean that half of KCM power is all that is needed to destroy Earth, this is further backed up by the feats Naruto showed in the movie and also by a databook which stated Kurama can turn the world to Ash(which can be treated as hyperbole but with the feats he has shown it really isn't). And by this calc Naruto's Earth is 4.75 times the size of Earth, however since this isn't verified I just wanted to put it here before using it.


Next, during the Last the Raikage was using a machine powered by Chakra to destroy the moon, which they never knew was hollow because no Earth Shinobi had been to the moon. From the scan we can see 100 Shinobi their, so it means that 100 Jōnin have enough Chakra to destroy a moon. This is also true as the gun was tested and easily destroyed major fragments of the moon that were falling on Earth.


But it has been shown that Naruto has a lot more chakra than just a 100 Jōnin.

Way back during his Rasenshuriken training, Kakashi said Naruto himself had 4 times the Chakra of him, and that the 5 Tailed form he took would've had 25 times that, had Yamato not been restraining him.

In the war, we see Naruto use Kurama's chakra to amp thousands of Shinobi(considering there were tens of thousands of Shinobi when the war began and not a lot of units were killed) to much stronger than their base forms(Hinata overpowered Ten Tails' spikes with a simple air palm, the Akimichi clan was able to halt the Ten Tails, even Kakashi said he was three times as strong as before). This was also done via Shadow Clones, which divided chakra in half per clone. That means half Kurama's is at least 12000 times more than your Average Jōnin (which they probably weren't, they were the only ones to survive till the last leg of the war) considering he used three clones to do this.


If we go by the baseline for moon level at 2.96 X 10^19 tonnes and multiply it by (12000/100) we get 3.48 X 10^21 tonnes of TNT or near the upper levels of Small Planet level on the basis of Chakra quantity alone. Now we can argue about chakra potency, but there's nothing that can prove that the average Jōnin will have more potent chakra than the strongest tailed beast.


Considering this is only KCM Naruto at half his power, it should mean in Chakra Quantity alone he should be Small Planet. Then we see him get amped with chakra from the Rikoudo Sennin, where we see he surpasses Kurama Sage Mode in base Six Paths form (blitzes and overpowers Madara in the short time he uses it, while KCM Sage Naruto needed help from KCM Minato and assumed Kurama form to fight Ten Tails Obito, who was weaker than Ten Tails Madara). Then he activated the chakra of all Bijuu and gets stronger, capable of hurting a planet level being with Rasenshuriken and forcing a psuedo Ten Tails out of her. This should put him at Planet Level given how he was further using clones to attack Kaguya, clones that he made hundreds and hundreds of.


And as we saw KCM Naruto from the Last can punch harder than Six Paths Naruto from Shippuden.(only shattered the God Tree vs a punch of 8.75 exatonnes)
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TL;DR Naruto should be Planet Level not Small Planetary.
 
And the truth is we dont even know how strong base naruto become after he got power from rikudo...TBM might not increase that much power compare to sage rikudo power
 
Omega998 said:
And the truth is we dont even know how strong base naruto become after he got power from rikudo...TBM might not increase that much power compare to sage rikudo power
Considering The Bijuu chakra is what gives Naruto the Gudodama it should be a significant amp.
 
The Naruto Rasengan thing and Toneri statements were rejected who is High 6-A, more about it is in the Discussion Rules.
 
"Destroy the world" can also mean "destroy all life" or "destroy the surface of the planet".

When somebody says nuclear bombs are destroying the world, they are talking about life, and not Planet Earth.
 
Dark649 said:
The Naruto Rasengan thing and Toneri statements were rejected who is High 6-A, more about it is in the Discussion Rules.
I saw the the arguements against it then went back and checked, HC wasn't the ball's weakness
 
Kepekley23 said:
"Destroy the world" can also mean "destroy all life" or "destroy the surface of the planet".

When somebody says nuclear bombs are destroying the world, they are talking about life, and not Planet Earth.
Well considering he was throwing the moon to the Earth which would have more effect that just destroying the surface it should mean destroying the planet. Plus the fact that he hurt a planetary being.
 
BMWFanboy said:
I saw the the arguements against it then went back and checked, HC wasn't the ball's weakness
Doesn't matter since is a massive outlier for Base Naruto.
 
Doesn't matter since is a massive outlier for Base Naruto.

I know which is what I said, it would actually be KCM Naruto because Hinata used up all of it giving him half his strength back.
 
When as Toneri ever hurt a planetary being? Naruto being planetary without any sage power-ups sounds very outlierish.
 
Kepekley23 said:
When as Toneri ever hurt a planetary being? Naruto being planetary without any sage power-ups sounds very outlierish.
I was referring to Naruto actually


And I'm referring to peak Naruto being planetary.
 
Technically, Naruto CRTs are forbidden until the main revisions are over. We can take a look at this later.
 
The forced Planet level Naruto upgrade here seems to be done by bad powerscaling, statements and etc. [since their best feat is only Small Planet], which the Admins will not agree to even after the revision will be concluded, he need more solid feats to prove it and i will later close this.
 
Dark649 said:
Doesn't matter since is a massive outlier for Base Naruto.
in naruto the last movie Base Naruto has Low 5-B rasangan

in boruto movie/manga base naruto rasangan can kill (Low 5-B momo)

his feats r consistent so why r we calling it outlier
 
Because Momoshiki was heavily weakened from the fight, also the Movie [Including Transformed Momo appearance] had some changes in the manga.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot about the calc stacking rule...So...then that begs the question of...

Exactly how large is Naruto's world? Can we find that without calc stacking or just assuming it's just as large as our rocky earth?
 
AppleLord said:
This calc is definitely calc stacking.
It might be, but it has already been suspected multiple times that the Naruto world is bigger than ours. Anyway I agree we should wait for the revisions to be 100 % commplete considering they are nearly done.
 
Dark649 said:
The forced Planet level Naruto upgrade here seems to be done by bad powerscaling, statements and etc. [since their best feat is only Small Planet], which the Admins will not agree to even after the revision will be concluded, he need more solid feats to prove it and i will later close this.

But there are multiple statements here. One is that Toneri said he would destroy the world, which holes true in that he would destroy the planet et because earlier he was dropping the Moon on the Earth. Plus in the databooks it is mentioned that Kurama can turn the world to Ash, also consistent with this. It was also said that Momoshiki is capable of slicing or destroying world's. And Naruto as a teenager already hurt a 5-B being.
 
Naruto is Small Planet Level using only the initial form of the Rikudo Sennin Mode his Yoton Rasen Shuriken almost cut in half to Madara Jinchuriki a character with a durability of that level causing more damage than a punch of the Sekizo that is cataloged at that level for the feat of hurting Madara Jinchuriki. The thing of Toneri and The Last is already a separate topic.
 
1. Naruto and sasuke create moon by combine both 2. The moon was create on diffrent dimention not real work witch meant we dont know real size. 3.kaguya got seal by moon if she has small planet lvl or planet lvl she should be able to broke that moon and the moon is no diffrent than chibaku tensei...

Just said dont mind me
 
BMWFanboy
Wouldn't that calc also make Naruto and Sasuke 5-B?

copy-past

Calculatio
I'll take a high end 5 seconds and a low end 15 seconds since the feat essentially happened in 1 page with Naruto still in the same position.

HE KE = 7.169561732289778e+33 Joules or 1.7 Yottatons (Planet+ level,5-B)

LE KE = 7.938685379663461e+32
joules or 189.73 Zettato (Planet level, 5-B)

Even if i upped the timeframe to 30 seconds (Keep in mind it happened over 1 page) it'd still be a Planet+ feat
 
Omega998 said:
kaguya got seal by moon if she has small planet lvl or planet lvl she should be able to broke that moon and the moon is no diffrent than chibaku tensei...
its sealing jutsu that rip all power from target then seal it
 
Omega998 said:
1. Naruto and sasuke create moon by combine both 2. The moon was create on diffrent dimention not real work witch meant we dont know real size. 3.kaguya got seal by moon if she has small planet lvl or planet lvl she should be able to broke that moon and the moon is no diffrent than chibaku tensei...

Just said dont mind me
1.So you divide that 2.Considering they didn't complain about the effects of gravity which they did in another dimension, and a previous calc had the planet they were on to be slightly bigger (1.15 or 1.5 times our Earth) we know that its size was atleast equal to ours 3.What logic is that, sealing doesn't work that way. Even the tailed beasts were sealed in Chibaku Tensei only a few kilometres across and they weren't able to break out of it. Doesn't mean they can't break planetoids that small. Kaguya was stated to be capable of erasing the dimension they were in via TSB alone, and TSB's are tougher to make than Tailed Beast Bombs. If she can make a dimension sized TsB what's stopping her from making a planet level Bijuudama?
 
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