Why is Marth Country Level?

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

I haven't really understood why. He needs the falchion to kill dragons, but can he casually cause Country Level Destruction?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Attack potency=/=destruction. Sometimes yeah but not always.

He can't bust a country, but he can cut country tier beings.

 

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

So I also noticed his DC isn't stated in the vs wiki. Why?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Because no point, covers both if needed. Although, if ya gotta know, it's probably multi-block in scale.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

We dont use DC

 

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

Oh. Its just my friend thought vs wiki was inconsistent because he says Marth can't bust a country, so I wanted to see if it was true.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Having Country level AP doesnt necessarily mean you can bust a country, only that you can harm beings with Country level durability

 

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

Also is when is Marth Country Level in Attack Potency? When he equips a weapon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Tiers don't go by what you can bust. It's attack poteny. We have characters who are planet level-Multiversal. Doesn't mean they can bust a planet or multiverse. It just means they can harm beings on that level. It would be best he learns the difference before he calls us inconsistent as that leads to a spread of false information.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Heres an attempted example.

Someone else tanked a continent falling on them. You can hurt that person. You are continent level. It doesn't mean you can one punch a continent.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

No, other fire emblem characters can though.

But think about it this way, a bullet carries enough energy to blow up a wall, but it doesn't due to lack of AOE. Same thing here , Marth has enoigh power to destroy a country, but lack of AOE prevents that.

But as far as destruction? He has large building and multi block feats of it.

 

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

Does he gets that AOE when he fights with Country level enemies?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Marty doesn't no.

He has that AP due to falchion. A sword.

 

[Celestial_Dust_Mite]

Oh. What's falchion's DC?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Sword tier. I don't know? It's just a sword. It can stab and harm country tier characters.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Your friend is right

Marth cannot bust a country, he does not have anything close to the AoE required, although he can kill Medeus, who scales to Naga, who scales to Grima

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity are two different things; attack potency is better said, a character who can harm characters with Country level durability. Marth may not bust entire countries, but Medeus and Grima can. That's especially true in Grima's case because he's almost as big as a continent as scene in a canon lore image.

Also, we've got characters like Crono and Magus who never demonstrated being capable of busting planets, but scales to Queen Zeal, who demonstrated a feat that requires enough TNT equivalent to destroy planet Neptune. There's also Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy) and Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy) who fought Sephiroth (Final Fantasy). Cloud nor Tifa busting a solar system, but they're comparable to Sephiroth who destroyed the sun with a comet that came from another galaxy; and the result was the force of 3,108,000 Kepler supernovas.

Bottomline, Destructive Capacity is irrelevant next to Attack Potency; a whole bunch of characters, including Marvel and DC ones would be awfully downplayed if we didn't make that distinction.

 

[GreenGiant400]

What basis is there for thinking Medeus, or Grima have Country level DC? Medeus's page says it scales off of Falchion (which is cyclical), and Grima's doesn't say anything. Seems like it's assumed that DC = Durability for some reason, but I don't see why that should be true.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Duma and Mila created a Continent out of nothing was another feat. If they casually create something, then their destructive capacity must also be comparable. Also, by newton's third law, durability always has to be at least as good as their attack potency; otherwise, the characters strongest attacks would be suicide. Another exception is if the character has physics manipulation hax that allows them to change the laws of physics at will, but assuming that is pure headcanon.

Much of these other characters such as Medeus, Naga, Grima, ect are all canonically superior to Duma, so their easily Large Country level as well. And this also scales to the Attack Potency of Falchion. Also, this thread is soooo old, so we better close it.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Time to explain why everyone is High 6-B:

Duma and Mila created Valentia together

Alm defeated Duma

There is absolutely no reason to assume the Valentian Falchion is any stronger than the Archanean Falchion, given that they're both one of Naga's fangs, therefore Marth scales

Medeus fought Marth with Falchion, also fought Anri with Falchion

Tiki is stronger than Medeus

Medeus then came back even stronger as a Dark Dragon

Naga created Falchion

Grima is equal to Naga, as they're unable to kill each other (outside of DLC, of course)

Chrom can fight Grima

Robin can kill Grima

Moving on to Holy War

Loptyr is equal to Naga

Julius uses Loptyr

Julia uses Naga

And other Holy Weapons should be somewhat comparable, being created by other divine dragons with the same purpose at the same time

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed with JSW; looks like it's time to close the thread now?