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Why is Goku Universal?

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Im really confused and i need answers people!

First off, lets make sure that this rule is applied as it is the most important one: Feats over Statements According to feats, Goku doesnt have an attack even remotely close to the size of a universe. What can he do, fire a Ki blast at it? Also, statement-wise Buu is omnipotent.

Second- according to the fight between Goku and Beerus, the universe was supposed to be destroyed by the shockwaves specifically. Now, the problem is: -these shockwaves are like a snowball. If i climb on a hill and start rolling the snowball thanks to the snow on the ground the snowball gets 2m tall and hits a car and moves it. That doesnt mean i can do it with my own strenght. Close to the impact the planets were more than okay, which means that the clash doesnt prove anything -normal human could react to the shockwaves and even if we consider they couldve destroyed the universe if they traveled long enough, that wouldve taken an immeasurable amount of time -ki control- dragon ball is famous with its inconsistency in terms of feats. Ki control has nothing to do with physical strenght, it only applies when it comes to blast, etc. After his fight with Beerus Goku never "threatened" the universe again

At the end of the day, Goku doesnt even have planet DC feats, so im wondering- is universal Goku an assumption.
 
No Goku being universal is not an assumption at all, according to the narration his fight was going his fight with Beerus had him hitting with universe destroying power

He is also superior to Infinite Zamasu who is above 3-A via size alone discounting his scaling to feats on and above that level

And how does he not have or scale to "planet DC feats"? He defeated Frieza who had a High 5-A feat while in his first form, heck even Raditz was 5-B
 
One of these days I'll have to get rid of my laziness and make a blog about this.
 
Whis didnt stop them, which says the opposite. Also, show me scans of Goku busting a planet. Like, for real. Show me scans, no scaling, show me feats. Busting has nothing to do with strenght. So, if we take these statements for true Goku is... omnipotent ++? Cmon now...
 
Wanderex said:
Whis didnt stop them, which says the opposite. Also, show me scans of Goku busting a planet. Like, for real. Show me scans, no scaling, show me feats. Busting has nothing to do with strenght. So, if we take these statements for true Goku is... omnipotent ++? Cmon now...
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If you can't accept power-scaling, then this isn't the website for you.


Goku is 3-A for nearly destroying the universe by way of narration. Beerus' God of Destruction powers muted the destructive energy of their clashing so as not to destroy the universe.
 
Your first mistake is assuming scaling and statements aren't also used when determining stats. Your second mistake is assuming all statement have equal credibility. Your third mistake was assuming feats were all that were required.
 
Frieza has destroyed a planet, thats okay... what does Goku have to do with that? Does he magically obtain their DC when he defeats his opponents?
 
There is a difference between a mistranslated statement that occurs that is a character boasting about their own power, also being a blatant hyperbole which was proven wrong countless times (Buuhan calling himself Omnipotent), and several beings stating that Beerus and Goku were going to turn the universe into a void of nothing, including reliable characters like the Elder Kai and the narrator, as well as the fact that it presumably would've happened at the end if Beerus did not activate his Aura of Destruction to nullify the blast.
 
Wanderex said:
Frieza has destroyed a planet, thats okay... what does Goku have to do with that? Does he magically obtain their DC when he defeats his opponents?
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Um...yes actually. If you fight someone who can bust a planet with their power and match said power, you yourself are on their level. That's basic knowledge.
 
Freiza uses a beam and destroys a planet. Goku fights him with fists and wins. Where does Goku's DC come from?
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

Here's the problem with what you're talking about, though.

Do you really expect someone like Namek Saga Freeza, who can survive the explosion of a planet, would not require at least planetary-level striking strength in order to injure?


By that same notion, merely the clash of Goku and Beerus' fists were causing tremors that were felt across the entire universe. The clash between Beerus' energy ball and Goku's Kamehameha would have absolutely obliterated the universe, had Beerus not muted the destructive output. Goku becomes wildly stronger than this throughout Super.
 
Its illogical, so you magically obtain your opponent's DC even though you havent takned it nor have you showed it.
 
Attack Potency isn't only Destructive Capacity, it can also be Striking Strength. The power scaling is simple. Say, Frieza destroys a planet, Vegeta takes an attack from Frieza, and Goku hurts Vegeta. He has Planet level Striking Strength.
 
Wanderex said:
Its illogical, so you magically obtain your opponent's DC even though you havent takned it nor have you showed it.
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Except he's tanked and match full power Frieza tho?
 
They do, nothing happened. Once again, if you accept that Goku is universal, then Buu is omnipotent too. There isnt proof about both, but a singlw statement. If you dont, then thats cheery picking and even bias.
 
"They do, nothing happened. Once again, if you accept that Goku is universal, then Buu is omnipotent too."

False Equivalency. Not to mention multiple sources directly said the universe was being destroyed. It didn't happen because Goku and Beerus stopped it from happening. The fact that it was happening is still a feat. People seem to forget that omnipotent simply means "All Powerful". This simply translates to Buu being extremely powerful.

"There isnt proof about both, but a singlw statement. If you dont, then thats cheery picking and even bias."

Multiple statements actually. And no, one statement is clearly more credible than the other. Once again not all statements have the same credibility.
 
Wanderex said:
Its illogical, so you magically obtain your opponent's DC even though you havent takned it nor have you showed it.
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Have you read the Attack Potency page or not?
 
I'd also like to note that shockwaves don't work like a snowball effect. That's a fallacy, and a direct showing of this guy's ignorance of physics.
 
If you injure a guy who survived a planet exploding right in his face while severely injured and weakened (aka, Frieza), and you survive strong attacks from this guy in his strongest form, even though his weakest form could casually planet bust, then that makes you of equal strength to him.

If we didn't accept this, most forms of Doomsday would be ranked at unknown
 
Once again, as much as statements are important, you cant just cherry pick them. There isnt anything shown to back up both universal Goku and omnipotent Buu, yet Goku considered universal. Thats an assumption.
 
First Form Freeza > Second Form Freeza > Third Form Freeza > 1% Final Form Freeza.


First Form Freeza is High 5-A, which is Dwarf Star Level, by this calculation: http://www.t5forums.com/forum/the-v...ball-super-calc-frieza-destroys-planet-vegeta

Everyone that is equal to or greater than First Form Freeza can destroy large planets casually. Just because it doesn't happen every time they fight doesn't mean they're still not attacking each other with planet-busting (or more accurately as the scale grows, Star, Solar System, and Universe-busting) force. Fiction frequently ignores conservation of energy priniciple.
 
Wanderex said:
Thats an assumption, Mat.
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<Guy destroys planet with ridulousky casual attack while weak

<Serious punches destroying it is an assumption

Do you realize how non sensical this sounds?
 
We have power scaling to support Goku as being universal , hell he shook the world of the void which is 3-A and once again we have multiple statement that allow 3-A goku in the first place while Buu himself only said that he was Omnipotent and not anyone else
 
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