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Yes, we use IRL shit to fiction, such as calcs, laws, etc, and I am saying that the comparison between Math and Souls that someone made is literally stupid, as Math and Physic have the scientic method in their side, while Souls side have noneAh yes, the scientific method, when we are referring to something that doesn’t exist (fiction).
I'm not ignoring anything, and you've not been able to explain why they're bad comparisons. Even without the comparisons, it's just easier to assume things have souls for the sake of indexing. Even if you just go down to the amount of work involved, it's easier to not list an immunity of soul manipulation than it is to list it. People want to list it there because it makes it easy. Matches become easier to make, things generally become more clear cut.Some people seems that purposely ignores the scientific method just to argue in side of something literally baseless and making bad comparisons
I think you misread the mod. DarkDragon is saying we have to take a neutral stance regarding in real life soul and stuff.ink I’ve taken a side but that is exactly at what I’m trying to get across.
nobody can say this person with no proof of souls in their respective fictional universe has or does not have a soul. So why is the wiki making an assumption so much in the favor of the soul side with absolutely no proof or evidence, especially since a mod said the wiki is supposed to be neutral on topics like this.
I literally did, the Math/Physic side is literally using the Scientific Method to their cases, such as making observations, creating hypotesis, testing the hypotesis, reach conclusions etc, while Soul side literally cannot be argued to be based in something, as they literally fail in that criteriaI'm not ignoring anything, and you've not been able to explain why they're bad comparisons
I literally did, the Math/Physic side is literally using the Scientific Method to their cases, such as making observations, creating hypotesis, testing the hypotesis, reach conclusions etc, while Soul side literally cannot be argued to be based in something, as they literally fail in that criteria
Actually there are fictional series that does mention soul IIRC like Digimon and so on and so forth as I think you have to even been more hardpress to find evidence of a verse having soulless beings.(I was referring to a comment that got quickly buried by replies) But there is no proof leaning one way or the other. The story doesn’t claim they do or don’t exist. Meaning we have nothing to go off. This means the opponent claiming they have a soul should take priority, since nothing exist to negate that claim.
are people really trying to debunk haxwhy does hax even exist to begin with?
I think you read my comment wrong. I was referring only to versus that say nothing.Actually there are fictional series that does mention soul IIRC like Digimon and so on and so forth as I think you have to even been more hardpress to find evidence of a verse having soulless beings.
I personally find it absurd to assume all beings to being soulless unto itself in a literal sense too.
someone else said that concept was proved, doesnt matter, if it was proved, then cool, if it wasnt proved, then concept hax doesnt works in these without following a specific verse logic, since, it cannot be proved, so, it shouldnt be assumed to exist, so, immunity to concept hax, as everyone is immune to something that doesnt exists, but Souls literally cannot be proved here, so, what is the point?concepts fail all the same, now every realistic verse gets immunity to concept and soul hax
Actually, the wiki is giving special treatment to the unproved/unreliable side, not the opposite, look, I cannot say that all verses can be affected by ''Magical pink elephant with rainbow sings'', since, I literally made up that shit, unless an author wants to create the magical elephant yada yada wing, it cannot be assumed to work in all verses, as I said, it is a made up thing, with no proofs and its not reliableBut in all seriousness, forced secularism on a bunch of verses is also just giving verses that have supernatural properties look weaker while giving verses that don't have souls special treatment.
im not trying to change anything, as this is a Question and Answers board. Not to mentioned we have had plenty of people attempt to do the same that got universally rejected.
Ah fair enough, but even then it kinda does fall into speculation territory.I think you read my comment wrong. I was referring only to versus that say nothing.
No absolutely does it not mean whoever made the claim takes priority it means the claim is invalid and should not be used.But there is no proof leaning one way or the other. The story doesn’t claim they do or don’t exist. Meaning we have nothing to go off. This means the opponent claiming they have a soul should take priority, since nothing exist to negate that claim.
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The opposite is occurring right now tho. Both parties have 0 proof if a character has a soul or not so why have it be a point of contention and be a case by case scenario.But in all seriousness, forced secularism on a bunch of verses is also just giving verses that have supernatural properties look weaker while giving verses that don't have souls special treatment.
your suggestion is even more ridiculoussomeone else said that concept was proved, doesnt matter, if it was proved, then cool, if it wasnt proved, then concept hax doesnt works in these without following a specific verse logic, since, it cannot be proved, so, it shouldnt be assumed to exist, so, immunity to concept hax, as everyone is immune to something that doesnt exists, but Souls literally cannot be proved here, so, what is the point?
Made up and unproved things >>> Accuracy then, that's what the wiki is doing, but hey.your suggestion is even more ridiculous
What claim is being there when there is no claims of whatever they have a soul or not in a fictional setting. To say they don’t have souls required a actual burden of proof.No absolutely does it not mean whoever made the claim takes priority it means the claim is invalid and should not be used.
yeah thats the standard assumption, cool I guess? Where is the legitimacy behind said assumptions? Literally none other than ''a lot of people belive tho''The standard assumption is that characters have 0 resistance to soul related hax unless otherwise stated or shown. That is the plain and simple part.
Made up and unproved things >>> Accuracy then, that's what the wiki is doing, but hey.
What’s the legitimacy of soul manipulation as a power in and of itself? People believe in it. In the real world we have claims versus whether or not souls exist. In fiction the verses in question don’t make any claims for or against souls. So the opponent believing they have souls makes a claim against them that they don’t counter in any way.yeah thats the standard assumption, cool I guess? Where is the legitimacy behind said assumptions? Literally none other than ''a lot of people belive tho''
Because soul manipulation is a power, characters does have it, that's it.What’s the legitimacy of soul manipulation as a power in and of itself?
some fictional works says that it exists, but and? it doesnt means that it exist to others verses, and as an unproved and not reliable, it should not be an assumption to all verses, because it simply does not have proofs to existIn the real world we have claims versus whether or not souls exist. In fiction the verses in question don’t make any claims for or against souls. S
if you apply this to one power apply it to all the othersBecause soul manipulation is a power, characters does have it, that's it.
some fictional works says that it exists, but and? it doesnt means that it exist to others verses, and as an unproved and not reliable, it should not be an assumption to all verses, because it simply does not have proofs to exist
What? Why? Verse X have made up things there, it does not means that said Made Up things exist in others versesif you apply this to one power apply it to all the others
Let me quote myselfWhat claim is being there when there is no claims of whatever they have a soul or not in a fictional setting. To say they don’t have souls required a actual burden of proof.
That is said claim I’m referring to.If you make a claim that someone can kill an opponent due to them having soul manipulation you by burden of proof have to prove that 1. That person has a soul for you to manipulate and 2. That soul is weak enough to get manipulated.
That assumption is throwing the burden of proof fallacy away like a piece of trash in favor of the side making the soul manip claim. You cannot manipulate something that is not proven to exist in that specific universe.The standard assumption is that characters have 0 resistance to soul related hax unless otherwise stated or shown. That is the plain and simple part.
That is incredibly wrong. That is not how claims work at all you need to have evidence or proof to make said claim actually vaild or correct. Otherwise you have an unproven claim that holds no weight whatsoever.Yeah, because there isn’t anything claiming it doesn’t have a soul, while the opponent is claiming it has a soul.
then all powers cease to workWhat? Why? Verse X have made up things there, it does not means that said Made Up things exist in others verses
No, they dont, several powers are just the manipulation of things that already existthen all powers cease to work
No, if a verse have a shit called AIOQUSDWHAIUSDGHAUISD, and said AIOQUSDWHAIUSDGHAUISD is what made up the humans, it does not means that the other verse has AIOQUSDWHAIUSDGHAUISD, as AIOQUSDWHAIUSDGHAUISD is a made up and unproved thing and only exist in a specific verseOne verse's 'Yes' >>>>>>>>>>> One Verse's 'No answer'
burden of proofWell it’s more: one verse says literally nothing and is completely unknowns versus the other making a hard claim that is very clearly true. There is nothing to invalidate the claim and we know the claim is true for the one with soul manipulation, so it should work just fine.
already solved, there is no clear cut answer-this nerfs supernatural verses unfairlyburden of proof