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if the verse isnt stated to have concepts, yeah, as concepts are not a proved thing, so, kinda of fantasy, aka only works in the verses that does stated that it existsso concept hax shouldn't work on verses without concepts
That's my point, the people that put it in their stories, assumed that souls exist in their verse, so, souls exist there, but it cannot be said to a verse that isnt stated to have thesethink it’s real and write it into their stories
Its from a theoryit does comes from math/physic stuff
but the verses with tier 1 assumed that it exist, so, they are tier 1 just fine, different than souls, unless the verse stated toIts from a theory
Theory
It's not something proven
for something as metaphysical as a soul or concept, materialism (our current paradigm) cannot try to solve those questions. It's the hard problem of consciousness, times infinity. It's like trying to play a video game without a computer, or anything to build it with.thats actually, the best thing that we have currently
****, the entire Tier 1 is almost purely assumption
As I said, if the verse stated that tier 1 shit like higher dimensions exist, then it exist in the verse just fine, same as souls, if the verse stated that souls exist, then souls exist in the verseTier 2 and 1 aren't even a argument, they are literal theories, just like souls, but enough verses use them and even more use souls, simple as that
Tier 1 verses say "I see you as fiction gg" and then we apply the theorybut the verses with tier 1 assumed that it exist, so, they are tier 1 just fine, different than souls, unless the verse stated to
what, i didnt understood thiser 1 verses say "I see you as fiction gg" and then we apply the theory
hrmm, according to Plato theory of forms (which I guess is where concept comes from), Concepts are in the Realm of Forms, which are the ''Real'' things, untouchable, unbound by space and time, impossible to be completely understood, as the physical worlds is just a generic representation of the realm of forms, so, concept is definitely a thing that need to be proved lmfao, because it is baselessConcepts aren’t something that need to be proven. Did people forget what the definition of a concept is. A concept is the just the overall description of a thing. The concept of space is everything about space
it is not, if it exist in the verse, coolHow is soul different from what being used in Tier 1?
But it does not existit is not, if it exist in the verse, cool
maybe im shittalking about tier 1, as i am not a math wizard, but math does have a basis, souls base is literally ''God created it tho'', and you know, we can reach more deep points if yall wants to use that argumenthrmm, according to Plato theory of forms (which I guess is where concept comes from), Concepts are in the Realm of Forms, which are the ''Real'' things, untouchable, unbound by space and time, impossible to be completely understood, as the physical worlds is just a generic representation of the realm of forms, so, concept is definitely a thing that need to be proved lmfao, because it is baseless
it is not, if it exist in the verse, cool
The thing is we also never go by the assumption that the entire verse is completely and utterly soulless as it requires legitimate burden of proof rather than the verse having souls for that matter.it is not, if it exist in the verse, cool
so, we go with reversing burden of proof, which is literally the total opposite of a battleboard that claims to be a indexing wiki, as we are assuming not proved thingsThe thing is we also never go by the assumption that the entire verse is completely and utterly soulless as it requires legitimate burden of proof rather than the verse having souls for that matter.
and to a extent, science as science did play a role in Tier 1, specifically theoretical physics (even if it has been largely overlooked like the Hilbert space being a example).maybe im shittalking about tier 1, as i am not a math wizard,
i dont understand why did u brought a wiki rule, as I am questioning the legitimacy of it lol, i don't care if verse equalization exist, I am questioning some aspects regarding souls“And even if it changed, verse equalization still covers it majority of the time unless the verse states it doesn’t have souls to counter the claims of the verse saying all life has souls.”
And what is the reason? A wiki standard? I am questioning it, so, yeah, it needs a threadOr it says nothing and the verse saying souls exist takes priority.
I literally don't care, I am asking the legitimacy, bringing that the standard exist doesnt means that i cannot make threads regarding it legitimacyThat is the basis of verse equalization.
talk to the modsI literally don't care, I am asking the legitimacy, bringing that the standard exist doesnt means that i cannot make threads regarding it legitimacy
No, I made a thread asking about it legitimacy, thats enoughtalk to the mods
Yeah I made a thread about souls being assumed, and your argument is about standard existing, and the standard is literally ''people belive it tho, common sense tho'', so what? I cannot made a thread asking about the legitimacy?. You made a thread on souls. Souls fall under verse equalization.
wait, no, what the ****, this is not even what the verse equalization saidThat is the basis of verse equalization. The verse is claiming something about all living beings, the other verse doesn’t make a counter claim, so the character that has souls will treat his living opponent as if they have a soul. Because in their verse all living beings have souls.
Yes, we shouldIf the reason for not wanting it to be a standard assumption for everyone and everything to have souls simple because "We cannot scientifically prove souls exist", we might as well do the same thing for mind manipulation, fate manipulation causality manipulation ect.
Yeah we shouldnt, so, why are we assuming that it exist?As for the existence of IRL souls themselves, that is not relevant to the indexing of this wiki and gets into religious controversial territory so I'd rather not have that. But even in IRL, saying their is no soul or no "Higher Power Entity" is just as religious as saying there are those. And we're supposed to be more neutral when it comes to IRL stuff. No one should force any kind of religion or nonreligious on anyone. But what we do prioritize is verse equalization; which the best way to do that is to make it the standard assumption that everybody has a body, mind, soul, empathy, past/history, present, future/fate, and exist within cause and effect unless otherwise stated in respective verses.
can u even explain how? if we are an indexing wiki, why are we doing the opposite and assuming unproved and unreliable things?verse equalization; which the best way to do that is to make it the standard assumption that everybody has a body, mind, soul, empathy, past/history, present, future/fate, and exist within cause and effect unless otherwise stated in respective verses.
fire is accurate, so, fire manipulation is fine, so, obviously someone can get burn, I can literally list several others examples if u want to95% of powers in fiction aren’t scientifically accurate.