Why Aren't One Piece Characters MHS+?

[LordAizenSama]

1.i didnt brought the pacifista's feat becuase i think this is lightspeed or somting i brought it to compere this to enel since the PTS's supernovas were in most cases uneable to dodge this

2. this is not aim dodging Luffy clearly said the laser was slow

1. Then theres no proof the pacifista beam is comparable to lightning

2.to slow to outspeed his precog, as the pacifista took a second or two to fire, iirc

 

[KamiYasha]

This one is an example the character counterattacked the lightning by moving his arm. The result was MHS (Although combat speed).

Involves some angles and stuff. I'm not best with speed calcs, so, a opion of someone from the calc group would be appreciated.

 

[FinalBattleX01]

Hmmm, the reason why i think we have overlooked these feats up until now is because this wiki use to have far more stringent requirements when it came to proving real lightning, and Enel's lightning (much like Avatar Lightning Benders and Laxus) didnt cut it. But with the recent Laxus upgrade it appears we are in a transition towards a more lax definition of real lightning. So considering these past upgrades I dont see why this shouldnt apply.

tl;dr Im fine with this upgrade, as long as you can find someone to calc. the feats in question as dodging lightning doesnt guarantee a MHS+ rating.

And others have summed up my thoughts on the Pacifista lasers.

 

[Blanked]

^well that's a counter like Nami's first,but later they were dodging it so it should be at least same as lighting speed, but anyway I think gwynbleid is good with calcs so, I guess we will see form him.

 

[CinCameron20]

Enel's attack speed is already MHS+ for the usage of his lightning ability, but as shown in all of the links, no one even compared to the speed of the lightning. Moving your arm 30 degrees in the time lightning travels 10 meters is still High Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic at a high end.

No one in One Piece has yet to show anything superior to MHS speeds without any solid proof unless they are Kizaru whilst in his logia state. They would still be Hypersonic+~High Hypersonic

Everyone in close proximity of Enel was blitzed by his attacks, while those at a distance only had enough time to react to the bolt by the time it reached them.

 

[Blanked]

^well they did also dodge later so, does that change anything?

 

[Davidsteel1]

@final really? I've seen it mentioned quite a few times that Enel was considered to use real lighting on this wiki, something about confirmation from WOG though I could be wrong and thinking of something else.

 

[CinCameron20]

Also, the statements regarding the Pacifista beams need to stop NOW... aim-dodging, pre-cognition and the beams were charging up before fired. Luffy had plenty of time to **** his head to the side before the beam even fired.

If we see something where a beam is ON PANEL and a character moves in the NEXT panel, then we can begin discussing such things.

 

[Ryop]

Hmmm, the reason why i think we have overlooked these feats up until now is because this wiki use to have far more stringent requirements when it came to proving real lightning, and Enel's lightning (much like Avatar Lightning Benders and Laxus) didnt cut it. But with the recent Laxus upgrade it appears we are in a transition towards a more lax definition of real lightning. So considering these past upgrades I dont see why this shouldnt apply.
tl;dr Im fine with this upgrade, as long as you can find someone to calc. the feats in question as dodging lightning doesnt guarantee a MHS+ rating.

And others have summed up my thoughts on the Pacifista lasers.

how this wasnt accepted in the past if Oda himself said that logia is become the natrual elemnmet? sound kinda strange after all i think we all agree that word of Oda>>>Opinions of fans no?

well nevermind at least now they will be MHS+

 

[Blanked]

So, the conclusion is no MHS+ if I understood well what Cin said.

 

[FinalBattleX01]

@Ryop Im really not the person to ask about this as I dont follow One Piece. I just said why I thought this wasnt accepted.

 

[CinCameron20]

Dodging lightning does not mean MHS+ speeds.

For example (just to showcase): Enel's lightning came from 2,000 meters over Luffy's head. During the time it traveled from cloud to ground, Luffy moved 15 meters. The lightning traveled 2,000 meters in this time-frame.

Taking avg lightning: 440,000 m/s -> Luffy's speed would be 3,300 m/s or 9.620991 Mach, which would be Hypersonic range.

The same could be said for when Kalifa reacted to and defended against lightning, which I did a quick calculation of here, and it resulted in lower end MHS reaction speed for the low-ball, but still lower half MHS if we remove some distance so she has time to put up her barrier.

 

[Blanked]

^okay, I guess this can be closed than.

 

[Perilouss]

Calc needs to be done by calc member imo.

 

[Lord_Hades_Prince_Of_Darkness]

At this stage is Luffy close to being MHS+ or is he quite far away from being so?

 

[CinCameron20]

There have been calculations done regarding lightning feats in multiple verses, especially One Piece by Calculation members. They all have MHS or lower results.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

If they were MHS+ during the Skypiea arc then FTL post time-skip would not be out of the question. Since Luffy dodged a beam of light point blank from a Pacifista and said "too slow".

 

[Lord_Hades_Prince_Of_Darkness]

If they were MHS+ during the Skypiea arc then FTL post time-skip would not be out of the question. Since Luffy dodged a beam of light point blank from a Pacifista and said "too slow".

I think Aizensama and a few others already stated previously why the Pacifista beam feat was not accepted.

 

[CinCameron20]

For the last time:

They have not shown MHS+ feats in pre time-skip. The only one is Enel, who has MHS+ attack speed via true lightning.

The Beam dodging in post time-skip was aim-dodging and Sentomaru pointed out that Luffy was using haki when evading the Pacifista's attack, suggesting he also had precognition to help him react to the pacifista's attack before it even happened.

The Topic is done. I am going to request it to be closed.

 

[DocAnimeTheory]

Yea, because it's an outlier, but if they were MHS+ pre timeskip then it's maybe not an outlier.

 

[CinCameron20]

it's not to do with an outlier... it is the fact that We never saw Luffy standing still with the beam coming at him on the SAME panel. Luffy could've already been moving his head before the beam fired, and it is made to seem that way via Sentomaru.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with CinCameron20. I will close this thread, and appreciate if everybody involved drop the topic.