Whitebeard (One Piece) vs. Hashrama (Naruto)

[Illuminati478]

well than, go check back on the physics explanations that i had given you, on how via gravity i proved that the naruto world must be about our world size, on the different calcs i've posted again and again, that by the way were never debunked like you said they were, the way i prooved the energy of each of madara's satelites, and the hight they were falling from, seriously, i provided so many evidence, it is you being a kid and clininging to maybe's, the bottom line is that the naruto world is the size of earth because it is composed of the same elements and has about the same gravity, you're so darn idiotic you've even argued at one point that the naruto had no atmosphere only to try to prove your point, even though cloudes were shown many times, and without an atmosphere life isn't possible, in youre argument with me you've shown how much of a dumbass you really were, i have debunked your claims from literally every direction possible yet you continue to poison this wiki with sensless drivel and baseless hypocrityc claims, youre so biased that you have claimed physics were wrong.

seriously guys just ignore him, we all know he is wrong and his opinions doesnt matter, he cant back them up and he constanly lies about clacs being debunked, he is not worthy of our time and effort...

 

[unknown]

well than, go check back on the physics explanations that i had given you, on how via gravity i proved that the naruto world must be about our world size

Physics doesn't mean anything in fiction.

you're so darn idiotic you've even argued at one point that the naruto had no atmosphere only to try to prove your point, even though cloudes were shown many times, and without an atmosphere life isn't possible

What?You're said, that Madara's CT fallen from the space, but it's definitely was under ozon layer.

a dumbass you really were, i have debunked your claims from literally every direction possible yet you continue to poison this wiki with sensless drivel and baseless hypocrityc claims, youre so biased that you have claimed physics were wrong.

Lol, you doesn't proof, that Naruto world equal to our.

And shinju tree was seen from space, while it's only 5-10 km in size.

It's proves, that Naruto world faaaaaar smaller than our world.

 

[Illuminati478]

Physics doesn't mean anything in fiction.

physics mean any and everything, in life and in fiction, the simple fact that you deny them proves that you are not worth arguing with.

What?You're said, that Madara's CT fallen from the space, but it's definitely was under ozon layer.

don't play dumb (actually it is not possible in your case) at one point i said that in order for the naruto planet to have atmosphere it has to have gravity and in response you said you don't any atmosphere in the scans, that is what i am talking about, as for the satalaites, if they were below the ozon layer, then from the angle we looked at them, we wouldn't have been able to see the moon due to its sheer hight, but we can clearly see it, that is why the satelites are indeed from outer space.

And shinju tree was seen from space, while it's only 5-10 km in size.

It's proves, that Naruto world faaaaaar smaller than our world.

now you are really desprate, the shinenju via calculations was way larger, and even if it was that size, do you know that in 1982 gas pipes in Russia exploded due to the U.S. hacking in to it, the explosion was one fifth the strength of an atomic bomb, which destroys cities, which means the power of the explosion was in the low megaton region, town busting, yet it was seen briliently from space, which means that even if the shinenju was town sized like you say, it would be visible from space with ease on an earth size planet... thus once again i have debunked youre claim...

 

[Leandre.mccoy]

why are you still humoring law vs madara? if you don't like it, drop it if you do like it, create a forum/blog post about it

law is like the kakashi of op

 

[unknown]

physics mean any and everything, in life and in fiction, the simple fact that you deny them proves that you are not worth arguing with

Physics are not always work in fiction like ours.

don't play dumb (actually it is not possible in your case) at one point i said that in order for the naruto planet to have atmosphere it has to have gravity and in response you said you don't any atmosphere in the scans

If it's was falling from space, then we shoud see ozon layer.

And it's was below mesosphere.

I can draw moon with same gravity, but it's doesn't make moon Earth sized

which destroys cities, which means the power of the explosion was in the low megaton region, town busting, yet it was seen briliently from space, which means that even if the shinenju was town sized like you say, it would be visible from space with ease on an earth size planet... thus once again i have debunked youre claim...

But here is problem.

IT'S NOT FALLING FROM SPACE!!!

Going by that me can boost stats of everyone.

 

[unknown]

why are you still humoring law vs madara?

No, Law is faster and stronger.

Law >>> Sasuke, who are cut Madara with raiton.

This means, that even Luffy can beat Madara

 

[Illuminati478]

wow your ignorance is showing, physics always work, no matter what, it doesn't matter if it is fiction, physics work. physics, math and biology are the three things that define and explain everything that happans even in fiction, and it doesn't matter what you say, if you want to argue about feats and sizes you must accept physics and math before all else.

don't play dumb (actually it is not possible in your case) at one point i said that in order for the naruto planet to have atmosphere it has to have gravity and in response you said you don't any atmosphere in the scans

If it's was falling from space, then we shoud see ozon layer.

And it's was below mesosphere.

how does that response has anything to do with what i have said, and for the record you can't see the ozon layer, the only part of the atmosphere you can see is the clouds...

I can draw moon with same gravity, but it's doesn't make moon Earth sized

yes but there is a thing called density, an objects mass per volume, if the moon you draw is indeed the size of our moon but has the gravity of earth, it must be made from a very dense material in order for it to be the same mass of the earth, and before you jump the gun, in naruto the soil and rock are referred to be the same as the ones on earth by the characters, and the water and wood were also referred to be the same is ours, and even if they wer more dense, that would make them harder to destroy, and once again complementing the destructive capacity of naruto characters, either way you have lost the argument again.

which destroys cities, which means the power of the explosion was in the low megaton region, town busting, yet it was seen briliently from space, which means that even if the shinenju was town sized like you say, it would be visible from space with ease on an earth size planet... thus once again i have debunked youre claim...

But here is problem.

IT'S NOT FALLING FROM SPACE!!!

Going by that me can boost stats of everyone

i encourage yo to re-read what i have written, because your response doesn't seem related at all.. in any case no matter what you have meant to write right now, you are wrong...

 

[unknown]

i encourage yo to re-read what i have written, because your response doesn't seem related at all.. in any case no matter what you have meant to write right now, you are wrong...

Proof?

It's not falling from the space.

wow your ignorance is showing, physics always work, no matter what, it doesn't matter if it is fiction,

No, for example in spongebob, physics are different.

And you can't use our physics of our world on Naruto, unless you show me author statement about that.

how does that response has anything to do with what i have said, and for the record you can't see the ozon layer, the only part of the atmosphere you can see is the clouds...

I mean, that from space we can seen ozon layer and they're just 30-40 km above Earth.

, if the moon you draw is indeed the size of our moon but has the gravity of earth

Not necessay size of our moon.

very dense material in order for it to be the same mass of the earth, and before you jump the gun, in naruto the soil and rock are referred to be the same as the ones on earth by the characters, and the water and wood were also referred to be the same is ours, and even if they wer more dense, that would make them harder to destroy, and once again complementing the destructive capacity of naruto characters, either way you have lost the argument again.

No, materials are dosen't mean anything.

I can draw moon with same physics, but it dosen't make her equal to our planet.

 

[Illuminati478]

i encourage yo to re-read what i have written, because your response doesn't seem related at all.. in any case no matter what you have meant to write right now, you are wrong...

Proof?

It's not falling from the space.

again, re-read what i have written, your response wasn't related.

wow your ignorance is showing, physics always work, no matter what, it doesn't matter if it is fiction,

No, for example in spongebob, physics are different.

And you can't use our physics of our world on Naruto, unless you show me author statement about that.

spongebob is underwater dumbass, besides, without physics we cant judge feats, if we need an author statement to apply physics then this entire wiki and any other crossover battle wikia that exists are utterly pointless, we are operating under the assumption that physics always applies unless it was specifically said otherwise, because if we don't than we cant judge feats or power behind attacks, in fact if we opporate by your logic, your precious whitebeard is featless because his only feats need physics to claculate, and the same holds true to all the one piece characters you so loyally wank on...

I mean, that from space we can seen ozon layer and they're just 30-40 km above Earth.

first of all, the ozon layer is 20-30 Km above the earth, not 30-40 Km, second of all it doesn't even matter because you cannot sea the ozon layer from outer space, if you could see it, you wouldn't have been anle to see the surface of the earth or anything below the ozon layer, the only part of the atmosphere that is visible from outer space is the clouds.

No, materials are dosen't mean anything.

I can draw moon with same physics, but it dosen't make her equal to our planet.

yea? have you spent 3 years of you're life learning physics?, is there some new science that proves density to be irrelevent?...your emberessing yourself, stop, all you are doing is showing your ignorance. to make things short, Mass=volume*density, and to calculate almost any type of energy we need mass... and the materials an object is made of determine its density, which in turn determines its mass...

no matter how you draw a moon there is always a way for physics to explain its charisterstics including size, mass, gravity as well as how much enrgy one would need to destroy it etc. etc., physics always apply, and if you refuse them then get out because here is a place for people who have brains,people who respect proven scientific laws, not for irrational bigotry. you can argue your points all you like, but the moment you deny physics is the moment you basically announce that you are not worthy of our time and effort...

 

[unknown]

no matter how you draw a moon there is always a way for physics

No, because physics in fiction is diffirent.

And drawning >>> physics.

If i'm draw something with size of something

in fact if we opporate by your logic, your precious whitebeard is featless because his only feats need physics to claculate, and the same holds true to all the one piece characters you so loyally wank on..

He's splitted island in half = island level

first of all, the ozon layer is 20-30 Km above the earth, not 30-40 Km, second of all it doesn't even matter because you cannot sea the ozon layer from outer space, if you could see it, you wouldn't have been anle to see the surface of the earth or anything below the ozon layer, the only part of the atmosphere that is visible from outer space is the clouds.

This means, that he is definitely below ozon layer.

 

[Illuminati478]

no matter how you draw a moon there is always a way for physics

No, because physics in fiction is diffirent.

And drawning >>> physics.

If i'm draw something with size of something

well i will be blunt with this, your an idiot, if you think that your drawing surpasses physics i have nothing else to say to you, you have proven yourself to be not worthy of my attention, this is the last comment i will write for this argument, its getting tedious for me to argue with some one that brings zero evidence to his case, lies and even dissmisses physics, laws that are set in stone and proven, to try and prove his point while still failing miserably, go find a monky to argue with mabe you will manage to win against him, but before you do, read how i debunk you one more time.

by the way remember the calc about the size of the naruto world that you said that have been debunked, i am still waiting for the link to where it has been debunked, or is it another one of your lies?

in fact if we opporate by your logic, your precious whitebeard is featless because his only feats need physics to claculate, and the same holds true to all the one piece characters you so loyally wank on..

He's splitted island in half = island level

prove to me that island was island sized, oh wait, you can't, no physics, right?, without physics there is no way you can measure size, and by the way splitting an island=/=destroying one, just like cracking the moon=/= destroing it, nice try but you fail by your own logic.

first of all, the ozon layer is 20-30 Km above the earth, not 30-40 Km, second of all it doesn't even matter because you cannot sea the ozon layer from outer space, if you could see it, you wouldn't have been anle to see the surface of the earth or anything below the ozon layer, the only part of the atmosphere that is visible from outer space is the clouds.

This means, that he is definitely below ozon layer.

the ozon layer is transperent and cloudless night is very possible in fact were i live most nights are cloudless...

 

[unknown]

prove to me that island was island sized, oh wait, you can't, no physics, right?

Why? I'm can

by the way remember the calc about the size of the naruto world that you said that have been debunked, i am still waiting for the link to where it has been debunked

They're find size with statemnts about juubi.

They're don't use physics.

But from what i remember it's was debunked on another forum

just like cracking the moon=/= destroing it

It's still moon level, but in potency.

Same with isalnds and other

 

[Illuminati478]

no, spliting an island is not island level feat, destroying one is.

by the way remember the calc about the size of the naruto world that you said that have been debunked, i am still waiting for the link to where it has been debunked

They're find size with statemnts about juubi.

They're don't use physics.

But from what i remember it's was debunked on another forum

link? without a link i simply do not believe you, and by the way they do use math.

prove to me that island was island sized, oh wait, you can't, no physics, right?

Why? I'm can

show me how you prove the island was island sized without using any math or physics equations what so ever....if you use any of them you're a hypocrite.

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

You say Frost Country is only the size of Vatican? Proof it then im done talking with you about sizes until you back your arugements up

It's a bit larger, than Vatican.

Link you calc or you are lying to me and thus I will ignore it.

Tree = 5 km

size of boom = 1/20 of tree

So explosion has size of 250 m

Lmao, tree = 5km.keep dreaming bro

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

http://www.**********.com/naruto/643/12

This is a detailed layout of the battlefield.The barrier was set up by Juubito.The perfect susanoo and wood golem are at the right side of the barrier.The 4 tbb's tree at the left and the 10 Hashi's gate used in stopping the ten tails movement as small dots in the middle.

http://www.**********.com/naruto/634/4

This is the size of Hashi's gate compared to Gamabunta and Aoda.In the last panel compare Aoda to Sasuke.Sasuke is smaller than the eyeball of Aoda

http://www.**********.com/naruto/589/2

Compare Perfect Susanoo to Madara's meteor

http://www.**********.com/naruto/561/2

Look at the size of the friggin meteor and compare to Onoki and those large building sized hills below.

http://www.**********.com/naruto/646/4

This is the size of the not fully bloomed God tree compared to the dispersing barrier.The blooming God tree is two times as large as the barrier.Note that it has not fully formed.

Stop trolling with this 5km=God tree bullshit.It is massively greater than that

 

[unknown]

It's actually 5 km

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

It's actually 5 km

You're still trolling even after details.Enough with Naruto feats,tell me One Piece(Whitebeard) feats and show scans.

 

[unknown]

You're still trolling even after details

What?

All this things were several hundreds meters at most and what makes Shinju larger than 5 km?It's at most 10 km

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

176.50.177.196 wrote:
It took a space distorting kick to damage Madara even that didnt kill him

It's almost kill him. Ichigo tanks Grimmjow disorting space cero.

Hollow mask Ichigo >>> Jinchuriki Madara

Lmao,space distorting cero which does not have feats of doing anything important.Seriously just show me a sca of it distorting an area of space and I will believe.Gai's feat actually shows something.

 

[Illuminati478]

ignore him, he still havn't shown me any links to the supporsed rebuttel of the calcs i've linked, he will dismiss any calc you show him that opposes what he thinks, and he won't provide any links that support his case because there aren't any, ignore him, he says whitebeard wins, move forward with the original question, whitebeard or hashirama?

 

[unknown]

http://www.**********.com/94-736-3/bleach/chapter-282.html

http://www.**********.com/94-735-20/bleach/chapter-281.html

 

[unknown]

ignore him, he still havn't shown me any links to the supporsed rebuttel of the calcs i've linked, he will dismiss any calc you show him that opposes what he thinks, and he won't provide any links that support his case because there aren't any, ignore him

OBD calculations are unaccepteble and that is accepted on another forums, going by your logic

 

[Illuminati478]

i've never heard of a concensus such as that, i check per calculation, if it is sound i present it as evidence for my case, i studied physics and math for a long time, so i won't bother arguing with you on whats mathematically wrong or right, nor on what is possile or not, according to you, the naruto planet is smaller than mercury, but that contredicts physical laws, that is why i will always say that you are wrong and be right about it.

 

[unknown]

If its called an island its island sized

 

[Illuminati478]

no, that is not how it works, if it is over 3000 square kilometers it is islans sized, just like a continent needs to be at least over 1000000 square kilometers to be considered a continent.

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

http://www.**********.com/94-736-3/...*******.com/94-735-20/bleach/chapter-281.html

I overlooked it.Impressive but too bad it does not have destructive feats or do something important

 

[unknown]

I overlooked it.Impressive but too bad it does not have destructive feats or do something important

But Guy made explosion not via space disorting too

 

[Kay_Uchiha1]

I overlooked it.Impressive but too bad it does not have destructive feats or do something important
But Guy made explosion not via space disorting too

Yeah.Just taking into account both Gai and the cero attacks after-effect.Gai's own was more effective,just saying imho.Back to the topic at hand.Either of them can one-shot depending on the situation.

 

[unknown]

.Gai's own was more effective,just saying imho.

They are almost equal, but Ichigo tanked it and Madara is not

 

[Illuminati478]

gran rey cero is not even close to equall guy's kick, gran rey cero is multi city-block at most, Edo madara was island level, juubi madara is continent, you're grasping at straws, your wrong..

 

[unknown]

gran rey cero is multi city-block at most

As Guy Night Elephant

Edo madara was island level

No way.Small

Mountain in PS, since it's equal to bijuu

juubi madara is continent

No way. small country/large island level at most.

Kenpachi is casual country level with eyepatch.

He can solo Naruto

 

[Illuminati478]

i love bleach, by far my favourite in the HST, but kenpachi can't solo naruto, kenpachi is indeed a country level, but madara is continent level by feats, we have already discussed it, you cannot disprove the calcs i have provided about the naruto world or you would have done so already, but you haven't provided any calcs that disprove mine. so the naruto world is at least as big as ours, and madara is continent by feats... as for guy's night elephant, being capable of knocking down a continent level being with a kick makes at least a country level fighter,

edo Madara was island level via tengai shinsei, the meteorite was atleast a few kilometers in diameter, and combined with its hight and eventual speed when it hits the ground makes an island level feat, it is time you stopped deluding yourself.....

 

[unknown]

edo Madara was island level via tengai shinsei, the meteorite was atleast a few kilometers in diameter

It's is smaller, than PS.

No way of kilometers

and combined with its hight and eventual speed when it hits the ground makes an island level feat

Even 4 falling and flaming Madara's CT can't do that.

as for guy's night elephant, being capable of knocking down a continent level being

Madara can't take continental level attacks.

He's not contnental level

at least a country level fighter,

He doesn't show more, than Ryu from Street Fighter.

Ryu is country level? No

i love bleach, by far my favourite in the HST, but kenpachi can't solo naruto, kenpachi is indeed a country level

Kenpachi is casual large country buster with one hand and eyepatch

Two handed without eyepatch Kenpachi is large continent buster.

Ene Ulquiorra was mid-sized country buster.

Yamamoto is multi-continent buster

Ichigo and Aizen alt least multi-continent to small planet.

Juha Bach and Squad are planet level in potency.

Soul King is at least planet level+

but madara is continent level by feats

Can't bust even country

you cannot disprove the calcs i have provided about the naruto world or you would have done so already

I'm already disproved that.

but you haven't provided any calcs that disprove mine.

Your calculations can de disproved by two scans

 

[Illuminati478]

Kenpachi is casual large country buster with one hand and eyepatch

Two handed without eyepatch Kenpachi is large continent buster.

Ene Ulquiorra was mid-sized country buster.

Yamamoto is multi-continent buster

Ichigo and Aizen alt least multi-continent to small planet.

Juha Bach and Squad are planet level in potency.

Soul King is at least planet level+

no, now i can't even say that i like bleach anymore because of youre ******** comment, yo brought the term bleachtard to an all-time low.

edo Madara was island level via tengai shinsei, the meteorite was atleast a few kilometers in diameter

It's is smaller, than PS.

No way of kilometers

and combined with its hight and eventual speed when it hits the ground makes an island level feat

Even 4 falling and flaming Madara's CT can't do that.

as for guy's night elephant, being capable of knocking down a continent level being

Madara can't take continental level attacks.

He's not contnental level

at least a country level fighter,

He doesn't show more, than Ryu from Street Fighter.

Ryu is country level? No

you're all talk with no proof

you cannot disprove the calcs i have provided about the naruto world or you would have done so already

I'm already disproved that.

but you haven't provided any calcs that disprove mine.

Your calculations can de disproved by two scans

you havn't disproved the calcs, thats a blatent lie if i ever saw one, you said they were debunked, when i asked where, you gave me a poor excuse.

no they cannot, as manga scans cannot disprove any thing on their own without any explanation, easy as that, and there is no explanation that you gave that i haven't prooved wrong, you're explanations were in fact the most easiest thing i had to debunk since the day i began registerring to forums, and that was over 7 years ago, in fact if you had presented these arguments in some other forums, people wouldn't even bother arguing with based on how poor youre explanations are, i am done discussing with you, from the moment we began arguing, you've on countless ocasions that you're an idiot and not worth my time, i don't even care what your going to comment next, i know that i am right about my opinions as i have proved many times....

 

[unknown]

you're all talk with no proof

Madara was pierced by raiton.

It's dosen't make raiton country level

you havn't disproved the calcs, thats a blatent lie if i ever saw one, you said they were debunked, when i asked where, you gave me a poor excuse.

I'm gave you scan, which is prove, that it's no way bigger or equal to Earth

you're explanations were in fact the most easiest thing i had to debunk

You're not debunk them lol

, i don't even care what your going to comment next, i know that i am right about my opinions as i have proved many times....

You're said this, because you're know, that you're lying and try to trolling by that boring way

 

[Illuminati478]

i am lying huh?, about what exectly? about physics? about calcs? one scan cannot debunk a calculation without a proper explanation, and your explanations weren't even close to proper, not only have i debunked your claims. i have debunked them from different angles, you are the one who constantly denies physics and then expects people to take him seriously...

now that is the best part, how am i the troll?, your the downplayer who tries to get people angry and pull on emotional strings, i am the one that puts you in your place. i am not lying, the one who lies here is you, in this entire argument i've never said a thing without backing it up with calcs and links. meanwhile, you blatently lie about calcs being debunked and then you refuse to give links (because there aren't any, because the calcs were never debunked), you're only a sad little troll that throws tantrums because no one agrees with his extremly biased baseles opinions, you haven't the right to call me a troll when all present are biased claims without any proof behind them, and when people show you legit and accepted calcs you lie about them being debunked, you really annoy me, the moment i knew you were wrong is the moment you said physics do not work in the naruto world, while in fact physics are laws and work in any world, the real one as well as fiction... stop trolling, it is not good for health...

 

[unknown]

i have debunked

No, you're not

, your the downplayer who tries to get people angry and pull on emotional strings

No, you're can't believe in your fail and say just "You're not debunked anything, blah,blah,blah..."

 

[Illuminati478]

fail in what form?, i have provided countless evidence for my case, none of whom you have debunked, you have only provided baseless poor excuses. your the one who failed, haven't you noticed that no one agrees with you?...

 

[unknown]

i have provided countless evidence for my case

Hmm, nothing=/=countless evidence

none of whom you have debunked

30 trees were seen from space.

And that's more, than enough to say,that Naruto at most Australia sized

fail in what form

Trolling, talking about nonsense things.

haven't you noticed that no one agrees with you

It's because n one can't believe , that their favorite character is weaker, than people think

 

[Illuminati478]

yes, they are all wankers because they believe legit calcs that were made by people far more educated than you are (i hope you get the sarcasm)... grow up

nothing, huh, lets review then: two calculations, one using strictly math, that you havn't debunked, physical equasions that eliminate the possibility of the naruto planet being smaller then ours due to it having an atmosphere, kinetic and gravitational energy equations that show continent level feats, that counts as plenty of evidence, meanwhile, you have showed nothing.

trolling? how is defending mathmatically correct calculations counts as trolling? i never inteded to offend you in any way nor did i try to elicit an emotional response from you, i only defended my opinion in an argument you started, mind you, and i believe you only started the argument to annoy and agitate people, because i know without checking that no matter where else you have posted you're arguments, people didn't agree with you, so instead of keeping your opinions to yourself, you go trying to make people angry because you only want attention.

saying that physics is nonsense just show your stupidity...

30 trees were seen from space.

And that's more, than enough to say,that Naruto at most Australia sized

one single, extremly debatable, saying, without any links or scans, is not rebuttle material for one mathmetically correct calc, let alone two of them. unless you bring me a detailed, well substantiated explanation, that consists of more than 2 lines, and explains in detail why the calcs are wrong, you cannot say you have debunked them...