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Whitebeard (One Piece) vs. Hashrama (Naruto)
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read thos calcs in succession, that should do the trick
63 km roots was debunked
statement such as the following "the naruto continent is just 100 km in diameter" which is utterly baseless, meanwhile other calcs basethere calcs on facts that have been proven before.
Naruto's continent is larger, than 100 km, but smaller, than Australia.
63 km roots was debunked
statement such as the following "the naruto continent is just 100 km in diameter" which is utterly baseless, meanwhile other calcs basethere calcs on facts that have been proven before.
Naruto's continent is larger, than 100 km, but smaller, than Australia.
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Base Hashi durability isn't high enough to withstand a quake, Sage Mode Hashi has comparable chakra to Nardo chakra cloak form according to his words anyway
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read thos calcs in succession, that should do the trick
63 km roots was debunked
where was it debunked?, give me a link...
statement such as the following "the naruto continent is just 100 km in diameter" which is utterly baseless, meanwhile other calcs basethere calcs on facts that have been proven before.
Naruto's continent is larger, than 100 km, but smaller, than Australia.
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
63 km roots was debunked
where was it debunked?, give me a link...
statement such as the following "the naruto continent is just 100 km in diameter" which is utterly baseless, meanwhile other calcs basethere calcs on facts that have been proven before.
Naruto's continent is larger, than 100 km, but smaller, than Australia.
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
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oh and mihawk can't solo his own weak verse, not to mention the narutoverse which is the strongest in the hst...
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oh believe me i understood that a long time ago, i don't know why i have continued argueing with him...
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where was it debunked?, give me a link..
Root = 9 Sasuke's CT = 2 km or below
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
Lol, you're think, thaht Naruto continent = 100 km?
oh and mihawk can't solo his own weak verse, not to mention the narutoverse which is the strongest in the hst...
It's weakest in hst, since they're slow, dosen't have durability, but they're destructive on par with OP, but not Bleach. Bleach is higher
Root = 9 Sasuke's CT = 2 km or below
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
Lol, you're think, thaht Naruto continent = 100 km?
oh and mihawk can't solo his own weak verse, not to mention the narutoverse which is the strongest in the hst...
It's weakest in hst, since they're slow, dosen't have durability, but they're destructive on par with OP, but not Bleach. Bleach is higher
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where was it debunked?, give me a link..
Root = 9 Sasuke's CT = 2 km or below
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
Lol, you're think, thaht Naruto continent = 100 km?
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
oh and mihawk can't solo his own weak verse, not to mention the narutoverse which is the strongest in the hst...
It's weakest in hst, since they're slow, dosen't have durability, but they're destructive on par with OP, but not Bleach. Bleach is higher
first of all Destructive capacity=durability and that is because newton first law.
one piece is weakenst in the HST currently with island level god tiers and top tiers which are city level, the narutoverse has (according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs) continental level top tiers and moon level god tiers, with bleach coming close with country level top tiers and continent level god tier character.
Root = 9 Sasuke's CT = 2 km or below
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
proof? calc? anything? there is no calc that suggests what you have said...
Lol, you're think, thaht Naruto continent = 100 km?
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
oh and mihawk can't solo his own weak verse, not to mention the narutoverse which is the strongest in the hst...
It's weakest in hst, since they're slow, dosen't have durability, but they're destructive on par with OP, but not Bleach. Bleach is higher
first of all Destructive capacity=durability and that is because newton first law.
one piece is weakenst in the HST currently with island level god tiers and top tiers which are city level, the narutoverse has (according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs) continental level top tiers and moon level god tiers, with bleach coming close with country level top tiers and continent level god tier character.
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first of all Destructive capacity=durability and that is because newton first law.
Some characters can destroy, that can't tank
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
http://www.**********.com/naruto/589/6
PS is 200 m in size
http://www.**********.com/naruto/696/8
CT are slighty bigger so 250 m
http://www.**********.com/naruto/692/16
If we are combine all this CT ,then we are get a root size(even you can compare size)
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
Continent is around Australia size, not Pangea
(according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs)
Your calculations based on words.
My on scans and mathmetically calculations, wich are greatly shows us small continent of Narutoverse( and no one can destroy it in Naruto).
continental level top tiers and moon level god tiers,
small country at best
Some characters can destroy, that can't tank
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
http://www.**********.com/naruto/589/6
PS is 200 m in size
http://www.**********.com/naruto/696/8
CT are slighty bigger so 250 m
http://www.**********.com/naruto/692/16
If we are combine all this CT ,then we are get a root size(even you can compare size)
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
Continent is around Australia size, not Pangea
(according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs)
Your calculations based on words.
My on scans and mathmetically calculations, wich are greatly shows us small continent of Narutoverse( and no one can destroy it in Naruto).
continental level top tiers and moon level god tiers,
small country at best
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first of all Destructive capacity=durability and that is because newton first law.
Some characters can destroy, that can't tank
ignoring physics again huh, what an idiot.
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
http://www.**********.com/naruto/589/6
PS is 200 m in size
http://www.**********.com/naruto/696/8
CT are slighty bigger so 250 m
http://www.**********.com/naruto/692/16
If we are combine all this CT ,then we are get a root size(even you can compare size)
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
oh and for the record by the level of intelligence you have displayed here, you shouldn't try to mock me because i am obviously more educated then you are.
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
Continent is around Australia size, not Pangea
you have no calcs to back that up, mine has at least the basis of the planet being at least as large as ours via various calcs.
(according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs)
Your calculations based on words.
My on scans and mathmetically calculations, wich are greatly shows us small continent of Narutoverse( and no one can destroy it in Naruto).
none of your calcs are based on math, they are based on baseless biased assumptions and false perception of the manga, the calcs i bring are all mathmetically correct, follow the competent process to the letter, and use scans which were fully analyzed and came with proper conclusions from it, your just a bitter hater, that is all you are...
i am sick and tired of wasting my time on you, go bother someone else, i no longer have the patients to deal with your childish tantrums and false claims...
Some characters can destroy, that can't tank
ignoring physics again huh, what an idiot.
again, no link no proof, how can i know your not lying to me, if you want to prove i am wrong either provide a link with a detailed explanation or get out, why should i believe sasuke ct were that small without you providing, and again you completely ignore depth perseption.
http://www.**********.com/naruto/589/6
PS is 200 m in size
http://www.**********.com/naruto/696/8
CT are slighty bigger so 250 m
http://www.**********.com/naruto/692/16
If we are combine all this CT ,then we are get a root size(even you can compare size)
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
oh and for the record by the level of intelligence you have displayed here, you shouldn't try to mock me because i am obviously more educated then you are.
how the hell did you jump to that conclusion, i think (and i have various reasons for my opinion) that the continent is atleast the size of pangea (an ancient continent that was the size of all of our continents combined) or at the very least is the size of euro-asia, which is 50,000,000 square kilometers in size..
Continent is around Australia size, not Pangea
you have no calcs to back that up, mine has at least the basis of the planet being at least as large as ours via various calcs.
(according to mathmetically correct calcs that are based on well presented facts and other correct calcs)
Your calculations based on words.
My on scans and mathmetically calculations, wich are greatly shows us small continent of Narutoverse( and no one can destroy it in Naruto).
none of your calcs are based on math, they are based on baseless biased assumptions and false perception of the manga, the calcs i bring are all mathmetically correct, follow the competent process to the letter, and use scans which were fully analyzed and came with proper conclusions from it, your just a bitter hater, that is all you are...
i am sick and tired of wasting my time on you, go bother someone else, i no longer have the patients to deal with your childish tantrums and false claims...
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ignoring physics again huh, what an idiot.
some character can destroy country, but has wall durability for example
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
Still 250 m
I' come back later
some character can destroy country, but has wall durability for example
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
Still 250 m
I' come back later
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this may be true, but this doesn't mean he'll be tanking whitebeard's attacks, just that he'll take less dmg but he's also a larger target now im not saying hashirama wont wi in sage mode, or that he's outclassed im just saying that sage mode doesn't give him the automatic win, and being comparable to Naruto in a weaker form scores no points eitherSeiryuShin said:
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ignoring physics again huh, what an idiot.
some character can destroy country, but has wall durability for example
wrong, that is impossible, the durability of a character is at least as high as its destructive capacity.
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
Still 250 m
I' come back later
so basically you are saying that you want to say the last word even though you've been debunled huh, what a childish gesture...
some character can destroy country, but has wall durability for example
wrong, that is impossible, the durability of a character is at least as high as its destructive capacity.
the first scan is ambiguos because you are looking at Ps from an angle you can judge its hight from that.
in the second scan you forgot to apply depth perception, again.
in the third scan you once do not apply depth perception, geez it takes a whole new level idiocy to claim what you have just did, because from your arguments i can understand that the naruto world is two dimensional...
Still 250 m
I' come back later
so basically you are saying that you want to say the last word even though you've been debunled huh, what a childish gesture...
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its the strongest because it finished while bleach and op are still going, so by finishing so early, it set itself up to be the weakest, and the verse as a whole isn't even leagues stronger than bleach or one piece the only strong Naruto characters are the ones most active during the warIlluminati478 said:
but lets compare counterparts Naruto>ichigo>luffy, sasuke>byakuya>=zoro, kenpachi>sanji>=lee, ulquiora>=kuma>=pein, aizen>tobi>blackbeard, Madara>=bach>akainu, Kakashi>law>=yoruichi, urahara>=jiraya>=reyleigh, b=ace=shinji, whitebeard=hashirama>yamamoto, shikibukai/admirals>espada>=kage/akatsuki, hokage>=yonko>=squad 0
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OP is fast and has high levels of durability37.23.136.23 said:
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its the strongest because it finished while bleach and op are still going, so by finishing so early, it set itself up to be the weakest, and the verse as a whole isn't even leagues stronger than bleach or one piece the only strong Naruto characters are the ones most active during the war
true, but currently it is the strongest, personally i think by the time all the HST would be finished they will all be around the same level, also i don't believe Masashi Kishimoto, Eichiro oda and Tite Kubo are making a pissing contest...
true, but currently it is the strongest, personally i think by the time all the HST would be finished they will all be around the same level, also i don't believe Masashi Kishimoto, Eichiro oda and Tite Kubo are making a pissing contest...
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none of your calcs are based on math, they are based on baseless biased assumptions and false perception of the manga, the calcs i bring are all mathmetically correct, follow the competent process to the letter, and use scans which were fully analyzed and came with proper conclusions from it, your just a bitter hater, that is all you are...
i am sick and tired of wasting my time on you, go bother someone else, i no longer have the patients to deal with your childish tantrums and false claims...
I'm basing on sizes
i am sick and tired of wasting my time on you, go bother someone else, i no longer have the patients to deal with your childish tantrums and false claims...
I'm basing on sizes
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wrong, that is impossible, the durability of a character is at least as high as its destructive capacity.
Far not always.
Sensui can make punche with equal to reigun, but can't tank reigun
every action has an equal and opposite reaction, newtons first law, if sensui could deal a punch at a certain level of force, the same level of force is exerted on to him at the same time, the reason sensui couldn't tank the Reigun is because the reigun he was hit with was stronger then the punch he dealt, simple as that.
your second comment isn't even worth refuting, go bother someone who cares.
Far not always.
Sensui can make punche with equal to reigun, but can't tank reigun
every action has an equal and opposite reaction, newtons first law, if sensui could deal a punch at a certain level of force, the same level of force is exerted on to him at the same time, the reason sensui couldn't tank the Reigun is because the reigun he was hit with was stronger then the punch he dealt, simple as that.
your second comment isn't even worth refuting, go bother someone who cares.
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every action has an equal and opposite reaction, newtons first law, if sensui could deal a punch at a certain level of force, the same level of force is exerted on to him at the same time, the reason sensui couldn't tank the Reigun is because the reigun he was hit with was stronger then the punch he dealt, simple as that.
In fiction we have different type of attacks(evergy blasts etc.etc.etc.)
So durability is different
In fiction we have different type of attacks(evergy blasts etc.etc.etc.)
So durability is different
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every force, regardless of type (ki blast, ninjutsu, kido, a physical attack etc) is always exerted both on the target and on the user, newtons law doesn't describe any specific force, it says, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" which means the type of action (or in our case attack) doesn't matter.
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every force, regardless of type (ki blast, ninjutsu, kido, a physical attack etc) is always exerted both on the target and on the user, newtons law doesn't describe any specific force, it says, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" which means the type of action (or in our case attack) doesn't matter.
No, for example there're characters, which are humans, but can destroy country with blast.
And they're can't tank punches
No, for example there're characters, which are humans, but can destroy country with blast.
And they're can't tank punches
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you are arguing with proven laws, if a character has enough power within his own body to destroy a country, then he has enough power to survive a country level attack, or at the very least it would take a country level attack to kill them, any other exemples against this are outliers or speciel cases regarding a weakness that ignores conventional durability.
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a character that has country level feat has country level durability, it is so because to release the attack the character must also be able to withstand the force exerted on to it by the attack itself, in other words i f character has country level DC they have at least country level durability.
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a character that has country level feat has country level durability, it is so because to release the attack the character must also be able to withstand the force exerted on to it by the attack itself, in other words i f character has country level DC they have at least country level durability.
But he can't tank th explosion after that attack
But he can't tank th explosion after that attack
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You don't understand what he is saying do you? If you have the power to release a country level potency or aoe then that means you must have the power to withstand that energy. If a character is country+ then that means his durability is also country level. The reason I know you're wrong is because if character A releases a country level attack at character B then how would character A survive the backlash if he wasn't country level. So that means that character A even without any other country durability feats would be country level.
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No, he can be erased from existance by explosion after that attack
if the character didn't have country level durability, he wouldn't be lucky enough to even see the explosion, he would immediately be killed by the force he exerts by using the attack, since that never happans, there is a concensus based on newtons law that basically says that the durabillity of the character is at least as high as there destructive capacity.
if the character didn't have country level durability, he wouldn't be lucky enough to even see the explosion, he would immediately be killed by the force he exerts by using the attack, since that never happans, there is a concensus based on newtons law that basically says that the durabillity of the character is at least as high as there destructive capacity.
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if the character didn't have country level durability, he wouldn't be lucky enough to even see the explosion, he would immediately be killed by the force he exerts by using the attack, since that never happans, there is a concensus based on newtons law that basically says that the durabillity of the character is at least as high as there destructive capacity.
Maybe he don't know, that he is that powerful and explosion kill him.
You don't understand do you? No matter what you say you can't beat a scientific law. It's impossible.
In fiction - it's possible.
I'm omnipotent in my fiction and can do anything.
And thing "potency" dosen't exist in Naruto
Maybe he don't know, that he is that powerful and explosion kill him.
You don't understand do you? No matter what you say you can't beat a scientific law. It's impossible.
In fiction - it's possible.
I'm omnipotent in my fiction and can do anything.
And thing "potency" dosen't exist in Naruto
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your arguments aren't even worth refuting, believe what you want, you're still delusional.
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actually, they're right durability isn't directly connected to destructive capability because of the laws of motion the best example of this is kizaru, he's a man made of light that attacks using light but, light has no mass and therefore, no force, but they still do damage so since he is a being without mass and uses attacks without mass, he exerts no forces and is therefore exempt from all laws of motion/forcesIlluminati478 said:
and if "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" as you say, that would mean that everyone's body is more durable than their strongest attacks because they fire them constantly (often one-handed at that) and the worst that happens to the person that fired said attack is exhaustion not broken bones, Naruto isn't crushed under the weight of his bijuu bombs, luffy's body is rubber so his durability fluxuates, ichigo's final getsuga tenshou, that flew so fast even aizen couldn't detect it, doesn't shoot him across the town like it should've if the laws of force/motion were taken into account
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don't be an idiot, the fact that ichigo's mugetsu didn't shoot him back was because he could withstand the force, newton laws doesn't have much to do with kinimatics but more with mechanics, the force you exert can atmost to be less or equal the force you can withstand because if not; you wouldn't be able to withstand your own attack, as any force is always exerted in two opposite diractions via newtons third law, and yes every charachter that doesn't use bombs or other weaponery etc has durability equal or higher to there distructive capacity unless it is a very spacial case, naruto is exhausted because he used his energy, he doesn't have broken bones because his chakra,which is the thing that augments power stats in the narutoverse protects him, it is that simple, luffy doesn't feel pain because of his rubber body but if he were to be hit with a country level attack he should die from it, because by current feats he cannot withstand it.
in Kizaru's case he is intengible, which ignores the conventional durability consensus to an extent, as for light has no distructive force i would like you to research radioactive substances, also his 'light rays' can be considered energy blasts as they are not light speed themselves, also when he uses "light speed" physical attacks he uses the mass of his leg as an amplifire for kinetic energy, also remember somthing very clearly, if you can touch it, it has mass, which means any of kizaru's attacks have some sort of physical form.
also, the conventional durability is a concesus, of course there are special cases, but the character isn't intengible or have some special weakness, its durability should be at least as high as its destructive capacity.
in Kizaru's case he is intengible, which ignores the conventional durability consensus to an extent, as for light has no distructive force i would like you to research radioactive substances, also his 'light rays' can be considered energy blasts as they are not light speed themselves, also when he uses "light speed" physical attacks he uses the mass of his leg as an amplifire for kinetic energy, also remember somthing very clearly, if you can touch it, it has mass, which means any of kizaru's attacks have some sort of physical form.
also, the conventional durability is a concesus, of course there are special cases, but the character isn't intengible or have some special weakness, its durability should be at least as high as its destructive capacity.
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unless ichigo's feet are super magnetized to the ground, the he's not withstandind that much force according to the laws of physics of our universe a human standing vertically cannot withstand a great amount of horizontal pressure/force because of the very thin horizontal surface area (when we're standing, we're long, but not wide) unless we're being propped up (which ichigo wasn't) no luffy's rubber bones aren't going to break or ache because they're rubber, that wasn't the point you claimed that because of our laws of physics, dc=durability the point is that luffy can change his durability at will, so there is no constant, which means that claim cannot apply to him kizaru and his attacks are weightless and therefore forceless the light beams are obviously energy beams whether they're light speed or not (what does this have to do with anything, radio activity is also irrelevant and stupid of you to bring up) kizaru cannot use light speed physical attacks because human bodies bend and light doesn't,so if he's gonna attack like a human does, he's not moving at light speed and its not only his attacks without mass he can travel as light tooIlluminati478 said:
and if there are special cases like kizaru and luffy, then it's not a standard rule
point is, you cannot assume the physics of multiple different universes to be the same, because if that were true, we'd all be able to hover in the air for as long as we need to to finish whatever we were doing like when luffy uses gear 3rd, he can fly or when he uses jet gattling, he can fly or when he just jumps and needs to finish his monologue or conversation
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point is, you cannot assume the physics of multiple different universes to be the same, because if that were true, we'd all be able to hover in the air for as long as we need to to finish whatever we were doing like when luffy uses gear 3rd, he can fly or when he uses jet gattling, he can fly or when he just jumps and needs to finish his monologue or conversation
if we cannot use physics to judge feats then this entire wikia is pointless, physics are the tool that enables us to calculate destructive capacity and other stats, talking is a trope in fiction it doesn't take time technically, so your point of luffy hovering in the air in the middle of a sentence is moot.
and if there are special cases like kizaru and luffy, then it's not a standard rule
every rule and every concensus have special cases that ignore them to an extent, that doesn't mean the rule is wrong or can't be used, also luffy cannot augment his durability, he simply doesn't feel pain from physical attacks that don't use haki, but his durability is the same as his dc, if he were to be hit by a country level attack with his current feats he would die.
unless ichigo's feet are super magnetized to the ground, the he's not withstandind that much force according to the laws of physics of our universe a human standing vertically cannot withstand a great amount of horizontal pressure/force because of the very thin horizontal surface area (when we're standing, we're long, but not wide) unless we're being propped up (which ichigo wasn't) no luffy's rubber bones aren't going to break or ache because they're rubber, that wasn't the point you claimed that because of our laws of physics, dc=durability the point is that luffy can change his durability at will, so there is no constant, which means that claim cannot apply to him kizaru and his attacks are weightless and therefore forceless the light beams are obviously energy beams whether they're light speed or not (what does this have to do with anything, radio activity is also irrelevant and stupid of you to bring up) kizaru cannot use light speed physical attacks because human bodies bend and light doesn't,so if he's gonna attack like a human does, he's not moving at light speed and its not only his attacks without mass he can travel as light too
you forget that there are other forces at work there, like ichigo's spirit energy, which like naruto's case is the thing that augments power and speed stats in the bleachverse, ichigo spirit energy is what augments his durability and keeps him steady while he is firing mugetsu, also compering any of those characters to normal humans doesn't do them much justice in the first place, a human standing vertically cannot withstand horizontal forces normally, but does any human in our world possess spirit energy/chakra/devil fruit poweres? no, these forces are what originally augments the durability of those characters.
i've never said luffy's bones would break, i said he wouldn't survive an attack that is stronger then what he could tank, kizaru and his attacks are not weightless, at least not his physical attacks, and if you're agreeing with me about kizaru's "light rays" then i don't see where the argument is, the radioactive argument was to show you that even light at different wave-lengths can cause damage, kizaru also isn't light speed because he hasn't demonstrated light speed feats, note that i have light speed in qoutes everytime i mentioned it.
if we cannot use physics to judge feats then this entire wikia is pointless, physics are the tool that enables us to calculate destructive capacity and other stats, talking is a trope in fiction it doesn't take time technically, so your point of luffy hovering in the air in the middle of a sentence is moot.
and if there are special cases like kizaru and luffy, then it's not a standard rule
every rule and every concensus have special cases that ignore them to an extent, that doesn't mean the rule is wrong or can't be used, also luffy cannot augment his durability, he simply doesn't feel pain from physical attacks that don't use haki, but his durability is the same as his dc, if he were to be hit by a country level attack with his current feats he would die.
unless ichigo's feet are super magnetized to the ground, the he's not withstandind that much force according to the laws of physics of our universe a human standing vertically cannot withstand a great amount of horizontal pressure/force because of the very thin horizontal surface area (when we're standing, we're long, but not wide) unless we're being propped up (which ichigo wasn't) no luffy's rubber bones aren't going to break or ache because they're rubber, that wasn't the point you claimed that because of our laws of physics, dc=durability the point is that luffy can change his durability at will, so there is no constant, which means that claim cannot apply to him kizaru and his attacks are weightless and therefore forceless the light beams are obviously energy beams whether they're light speed or not (what does this have to do with anything, radio activity is also irrelevant and stupid of you to bring up) kizaru cannot use light speed physical attacks because human bodies bend and light doesn't,so if he's gonna attack like a human does, he's not moving at light speed and its not only his attacks without mass he can travel as light too
you forget that there are other forces at work there, like ichigo's spirit energy, which like naruto's case is the thing that augments power and speed stats in the bleachverse, ichigo spirit energy is what augments his durability and keeps him steady while he is firing mugetsu, also compering any of those characters to normal humans doesn't do them much justice in the first place, a human standing vertically cannot withstand horizontal forces normally, but does any human in our world possess spirit energy/chakra/devil fruit poweres? no, these forces are what originally augments the durability of those characters.
i've never said luffy's bones would break, i said he wouldn't survive an attack that is stronger then what he could tank, kizaru and his attacks are not weightless, at least not his physical attacks, and if you're agreeing with me about kizaru's "light rays" then i don't see where the argument is, the radioactive argument was to show you that even light at different wave-lengths can cause damage, kizaru also isn't light speed because he hasn't demonstrated light speed feats, note that i have light speed in qoutes everytime i mentioned it.
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