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What speed scale does Sakura take?

Well, after taking a look at the work, we realized that through a PS, we are able to see an achievement of notorious speed. As we showed in the scans, both in the manga and in the anime, Shin was able to react to the an offensive by Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow.



If we look at the potential of this arrow, both the pre-war Kakashi, who was in the same way as Kakashi war, as Danzou, who was able to keep up with the Sasuke MS, both had no physical reaction to arrow and escaped thanks to the power of Mokuton in the case of Danzou and Kamui in the case of Kakashi.


Which shows that Shin has a reaction speed at the same level or even higher than theirs, since the arrow in question is superior in all aspects compared to Shippuden. Applying his combat speed, Sakura manages to scale his speed as superior to Shin, for having blitzed him in one scene, and for having followed his movements in a body fight.


About the blitz, Shin was caught in a blitz, and he has vision all around his head, how was he able to see Sasuke after using his amenotejikara that was new to him, that is, it would be the same situation as a "surprise" regarding Sakura's coup.


But he was able to see and react, as well as he was able to see Sasuke's Susano'o and react to his arrow even though he was facing the opposite side. With that, it is possible to have a notion that Sakura's speed, in a state below its maximum, is capable of keeping up with Shin (in fact, even being superior, since she was fighting an opponent who predicted all his movements) that can match or even be superior to Kakashi and Danzou.

So, as the text above was well summarized, I will go from here to separate in topics to explain in detail the situations that were inferred previously.
♦ Shin analysis
♦ Sakura's participation
♦ Role of Kakashi, Danzō and susano'o's arrow ♦ Extras
♦ Conclusion

🔷 Shin performance Shin reacted to Sasuke's Susano'o's arrow.
http://imgur.com/a/nf0DqgM

🔻 Sakura's performance This part does not require that much attention, as we know that Sakura and Shin had a brief fight in which they both accompanied each other, and before this confrontation, she gave him a blitz. Entering the blitz situation, it is not correct to say that Shin was paying attention to Naruto and Sasuke, and so Sakura managed to succeed in the attack, but it’s not interesting to judge that way, because another very similar situation occurred. However, I will address the punch scene first.
⤵️See that Shin was not attacking or aiming his blades at Sasuke and Naruto, on the contrary, he is again forming the right arm with the blades until then Sakura attacks him.
http://imgur.com/gallery/y1JeejY

❎ Sakura attacks him directly in the heart when Shin's body position was partially facing Naruto and Sasuke, that is, to do this in a frontal movement and be effective, she would have to circumvent her perception / prediction of movements of the MS with the blitz. http://imgur.com/a/6C6r4kB

⤴️If the attack was not frontal, the punch would be directed at Shin's rib or arm, including Sakura's own position denounces it in a straight line in relation to Naruto, Sasuke and Sarada.
http://imgur.com/gallery/k74ghXz

Returning to the question of Shin's attention on Naruto and Sasuke, remember that Shin saw and reacted to susano'o's arrow without even being aware of the attack (they label it as a bullet) lost) when he was fighting Sakura and using his vision power to guide the shuriken. Therefore, this lack of attention cannot be sustained. http://imgur.com/a/IPgIzwo

⚛️I also think it's important to talk about Sakura's physical condition. Before clashing against Shin Uchiha, Sakura had already had a conversation with Sarada in which she was emotionally weakened, even passing out. It was said by Shizune that lately in the hospital, both she and Sakura were very overwhelmed. http://imgur.com/gallery/mlg9mz8
In short: Sakura was very tired mentally and physically because of her work and also more stress (invasive questions by your daughter). At the hospital, Shizune was going to do tests for her recovery, but she had fled to the tower site, to infer that Sakura was sick without having made a battery of complete exams, that is, she was not 100% in her physical condition. http://imgur.com/a/yJKX2B0
Soon, Sakura was not in 100% condition, but nerfed and not even her most powerful resource> byakugou <seal that increases your physical resource providing incredible power, which greatly influences combat.
http://imgur.com/a/Ogh5IZl

A 100% Sakura + Byakugō seal would perform better in every way in comparison to that presented Sakura from gaiden

♦ Performance by Kakashi, Danzō and susano'o's arrow.

* I will talk first about the arrow itself. In shippuden, Sasuke was able to use the archery techniques from his susano'o lvl2. During their first appearances, they have already shown incredible feats of speed, being even faster than Kakashi and Danzō, that he could only react via the eye power of MS, kamui, and this one with mokuton, which shows us that both had no physical reaction . http://imgur.com/a/3Yr8x8q http://imgur.com/gallery/EFk8YUo

* Shin, even though Sasuke was not his enemy, still managed to physically react to susano'o's arrow in the air through him. We have to consider another factor: The arrow, in question, is from a Susano'o Tengu from an experienced adult Sasuke who are faster, in addition to being larger compared to those of the Sasuke MS. We can see by the ray of destruction between them, because the faster a attack, the greater the destruction, and it appears that there is more force applied.
Look:
The case of Danzo http://imgur.com/gallery/khP7Evj
* The case of Kabuto, and notice that Sasuke was impressed because Kabuto was dodged, and that underscores that he had murderous intent.
http://imgur.com/a/6aCDGL0

Anyway, all the attacks of the arrows of the shippuden versions are small, and despite the incredible speed they still cause much less damage compared to the one launched against Shin, this is because there is no speed that reflects in the strength to break the locations of the scenarios in question . Visualizing the ray of destruction of the arrow used against the Shin, besides being very fast, it destroyed everything, and this reinforces that it has a lot of strength through its speed, even the shinzinhos that were far from the reach felt the pressure. Even because susanoo Tengu >>>>>>> susanoo lvl2. http://imgur.com/gallery/LX5U9PI

⚡Now let's do a synthesis of everything.

* Situation of Kabuto, Danzō and Kakashi:
- Long range distance
- They saw Sasuke arming the arrow and getting ready to launch, that is, he will be aware of the attack
- No element of surprise
- Lower arrow speed

Result: Kakashi and Danzō had no physical reaction, Kabuto did.

* Shin's situation:
  • Long range distance
  • Didn't see Sasuke arming the arrow and getting ready to launch, as he was fighting Sakura, that is, 0 attention to Uchiha
  • Much faster arrow speed
  • There was an element of surprise, because he was not his opponent

Result: Shin himself was unable to react physically.


⚛️ Performance of Shin in reaction, speed of thought, element of surprise, to which he still reacted physically, was much better compared to Kakashi and Danzō.


PS: As I recall, Guy 6 gate is accompanied by Kakashi in the war and by Kisame who fights against Killer who has done relativism. Sakura climbs for having a speed higher than that of an adult Sasuke's susano'o arrow?
 
From the look of it in the manga, Shin didn't react at all.

I'm not seeing anything solid here that would justify a revision.
 
I also don't like how we scale Sakura, I think she is being way too downplayed, so if you want why not just make a crt on it?
thank you, i did all this work because she is very underestimated even with a good speed achievement like this, and i would appreciate it if you heard me
 
I'm going to be honest, I read this twice already and Im still unsure of what the Proposal is.

Are arguing that Sakura and Shin scale to Naruto and Sasuke's Speed?

Also the whole Shin and Sakura Gaiden thing is in need of a massive CRT, that I'm not sure this wiki is ready for.(yet)
 
I'm with Damage3245 on this. It didn't seem to react to the arrow in the manga panels.
I'm sorry, I think I forgot to put the pages in question, but it was just a lack of attention, since I had explained this part.

Well, I recommend that you look at Shin’s position when and after launching the shuriken and
then when an arrow hits his arm.
⤵️When Shin launched the shuriken, his right arm was in front of his body from the effort
launch a shuriken, the left arm behind the body, and the torso region tilted forward.

❎ After launching, there was a difference from the previous scene, which would be the arm in
resting and the torso in the neutral position, note that the feet are bent, with a difference in
left that is a little bit more.

⤴️When the arrow hit him, all of Shin's positions change: The right arm,
visibly that before it was in front of the body, it is now stretched to the right in this
scene from which we can observe through the arm towards the right of his body, which
it also infers us that Shin made the move before the arrow to hit. The left arm that was previously lowered, is now covering the face, and the feet that were previously bent, now separated.


🔷Note: I have to show you something very important that I can pass on
unnoticed. Shin's right arm is formed with five layers of blades, see that the moment the arrow hit him, the arm, which was in front of his body, was now to the right of his body and there are only 1/5 of the layers, which shows us that Shin made the movement and during that, the arrow or hit him pulling 4/5 of the layers of blades from his arm.
* 5/5 of the blade layers forming the arm

* 1/5 of the layers left after the arrow attack


So yes, Shin reacted physically trying to defend himself and even before the attack by
that contains the descriptions of the manga. And detail, he was in the air all the time.

I hope you see more detailed, because before I was not so precise
 
U can just send the anime video and see how it looks like compared to the manga
I can send it, but the anime adapted it in a way that contradicts the manga with shin reacting to the sword and arrow, and in the manga it was only the arrow
 
I'm going to be honest, I read this twice already and Im still unsure of what the Proposal is.

Are arguing that Sakura and Shin scale to Naruto and Sasuke's Speed?

Also the whole Shin and Sakura Gaiden thing is in need of a massive CRT, that I'm not sure this wiki is ready for.(yet)
I'm sorry if I was a little confused, but answering your questions. the answer is no for sakura and shin to have the same speed as sasuke and naruto. I just quoted them to complete my topic and debunk some myths they created.

my point is: sakura has a higher speed than war kakashi and danzo, since she blitzed shin that was able to physically react to a susanoo arrow which kakashi and danzo were not successful even on a lower arrow in shippuden.
 
So has this been rejected or not?
 
Well, I already discussed individually with Mr. Damage and asked Mr. Ogbunabali to open here again because looking more clearly I realized that the topic was confused, and also because some people said that they did not understand the proposal, and others thought that I wanted to somehow climb Shin with Naruto and Sasuke. Anyway, actually, the communication error was mine.

So, let's start from the beginning.​


I first stated that Shin physically reacted to an arrow from Sasuke's Susano'o. This is very clear when he made the move to defend himself from the attack, and in the act, his arm was destroyed. It is enough to see that in the previous scene his arm was in front of the body, that is, he reacted trying to defend himself when he saw the attack in his direction.

If he hadn't reacted, he would have taken blitz again as it was with Sakura

There have also been comments that it is not an arrow, but a sword. This is also not right, because if we look at the manga, there is no evidence of the sword cable, and in all appearances of susano'o swords, no matter what version, be it susanoo rib, lvl2,Tengu, there are cables. In addition to the blade that only has one cutting side, while the one that attacked Shin has no handle or one cutting side on the blade, but two sides. Those are characteristics of an arrow, besides of course we are not naive enough to think that Sasuke will launch to throw his sword at random from a distance and hope to hit the enemy, he would have to aim precisely to avoid hitting Sakura, only the arrow has these devices.

About the arrow, some thought I was climbing Shin with Sasuke or even Naruto, but that was never my intention.

Susano'o's attacks: The sword and arrow do not have the same speed as Sasuke, this is something clear, and a good example is Jigen despising the speed of the sword, something he never did with Sasuke, on the contrary, he praised lot and even treated him as more dangerous than Naruto because of his fighting style.

What I suggested was that Shin be cast at least with pre-war Kakashi, because Hatake went through the same situation with Sasuke's susano'o's arrow, although in a lower version, but unlike Shin, he had no reaction physical but visual with Kamui.
 
What I suggested was that Shin be cast at least with pre-war Kakashi, because Hatake went through the same situation with Sasuke's susano'o's arrow, although in a lower version, but unlike Shin, he had no reaction physical but visual with Kamui.
They're already rated at the same speed though?

Part II (Pre-Fourth Shinobi World War) Kakashi: Massively Hypersonic+ (Intercepted a lightning bolt from Kakuzu at point-blank range. Kept up with people like the Deva Path. Dodged an explosion from Deidara)

Shin Uchiha: Massively Hypersonic+ (Is faster than trained jonins)
 
They're already rated at the same speed though?

Part II (Pre-Fourth Shinobi World War) Kakashi: Massively Hypersonic+ (Intercepted a lightning bolt from Kakuzu at point-blank range. Kept up with people like the Deva Path. Dodged an explosion from Deidara)

Shin Uchiha: Massively Hypersonic+ (Is faster than trained jonins)
I saw Kakashi classified as sub rel on the wiki, the pre-war phase is the same war
 
I saw Kakashi classified as sub rel on the wiki, the pre-war phase is the same war
You do realize that Different Keys in a Profile exist?
Key: Part I | Part II (Pre-Fourth Shinobi World War) | Part II (Fourth Shinobi World War) | Dual Mangekyō Sharingan | New Era

So now you want to upgrade Pre-War Kakashi to Sub-Rel as well despite his best-calculated Feat being only MHS+, while currently, War-Arc Kakashi is only Sub-Rel for scaling to Guy using Gates.
 
You do realize that Different Keys in a Profile exist?
Key: Part I | Part II (Pre-Fourth Shinobi World War) | Part II (Fourth Shinobi World War) | Dual Mangekyō Sharingan | New Era

So now you want to upgrade Pre-War Kakashi to Sub-Rel as well despite his best-calculated Feat being only MHS+, while currently, War-Arc Kakashi is only Sub-Rel for scaling to Guy using Gates.
Basically, Kakashi from this arc is the same as in the war, he didn't have to go up in attributes or training
 
Basically, Kakashi from this arc is the same as in the war, he didn't have to go up in attributes or training
So only Sakura and Shin are the only ones allowed to have Power Escalation? That's convenient.

So Kakashi having different showings of Feats before the War and during the War don't warrant different Keys just because we don't see anything?
 
So only Sakura and Shin are the only ones allowed to have Power Escalation? That's convenient.

So Kakashi having different showings of Feats before the War and during the War don't warrant different Keys just because we don't see anything?
calm down, I just said that kakashi from the battle against Sasuke MS didn’t get a boost in his physical abilities, but nothing prevents him from being sub rel too, after all he’s the same one from the war

In the case of Shin, he did better against a bigger and faster arrow than the one Kakashi faced, since sakura is physically superior to this Shin until it blinded the MS (blitz), at least she is sub.
 
calm down, I just said that kakashi from the battle against Sasuke MS didn’t get a boost in his physical abilities, but nothing prevents him from being sub rel too, after all he’s the same one from the war

In the case of Shin, he did better against a bigger and faster arrow than the one Kakashi faced, since sakura is physically superior to this Shin until it blinded the MS (blitz), at least she is sub.
Get Pre-War Kakashi and Danzo upgraded to Sub-Rel first before using them as a basis for upgrading Shin and Sakura
 
Do you want to get reported? We don't do edits unless it has been approved in a CRT.
I understand, either way it wouldn't change without permission, but I don't know how to make a CRT for profile changes. Could you explain it to me? I have no experience like that, the system I worked on is different
 
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