What can counter True Godly Regen?

[AquaWaifu]

If you have two biengs of the same tier, and one has TGR, what can counter that?

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Conceptual Manipulation(Manipulating the concept of Regenerationn)

Causality Manipulation(Controlling causality so the next time they regenerate, they'll erase themselves)

Probability Manipulation(Making the chances of them coming back 0)

Plot Manipulation(Make yourself win no matter what)

High level reality warping(Reasons above)

Soul Manipulation(Taking their soul)

Power Nullification(Nullifying Regenerationn)

 

[Sera_EX]

True Godly regen is for 1-As or beings of a similar nature. So only a being of a higher order can truly destroy them.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Soul manipulation is absolutely meaningless to a True Godly regen character.

I guess the only ways would be as Sera mentioned.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Soul manipulation is absolutely meaningless to a True Godly regen character.

I guess the only ways would be as Sera mentioned.

1-A beings don't have souls?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

...Dude, even Mid-Godly people can regenerate their souls (Even some Low-Godly can). Let alone a High or True Godly.

 

[Sera_EX]

It depends. Masadaverse 1-As have billions to infinite amounts of souls. But the Outer Gods certainly don't.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

...Dude, even Mid-Godly people can regenerate their souls (Even some Low-Godly can). Let alone a High or True Godly.

Lmao, by soul manipulation did you assume I meant destroying ones soul?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Soul manipulation shouldn't affect someone who can effectively shrugs off having their soul completely erased in any way.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Soul manipulation shouldn't affect someone who can effectively shrugs off having their soul completely erased in any way.

Sealing might still work. Or literally taking it as I stated above.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

How would the later affect them?

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

How would the later affect them?

Taking/absorbing someone's essence wouldn't affect them?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

High level absorption would also work, as they are simply entering a new state of being as "absorbed" rather than dying or being destroyed

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Even Mid-Godly regen beings can shrug off that. They just don't need that to exist.

 

[Sera_EX]

Again,

True Godly regen is the attribute of a dimensionless entity. It should be treated the same way Tier 1-A is treated. Nothing other than possibly a superior 1-A or High 1-A and definitely a 0 could destroy them.

You will never see this power used in a vs match.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Even Mid-Godly regen beings can shrug off that. They just don't need that to exist.

No, mid-godly regenerating characters would restore everything including their soul. So saying they don't need it if they already have it doesn't make sense.

It's like saying characters with resurrection don't need life.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Basically what Monarch said.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If a character can willingly ressurect themselves when they are definitively dead, then this show that they don't need to be alive to use their powers.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Can resurrect while dead =/= Can use all their abilities at full potential while dead

 

[Sera_EX]

Can we get back on topic please? Resurrection is not Regenerationn and doesn't seem relevant to the thread.

Btw a character with true godly regen would likely have type 10 immortality and thus not be alive or dead in the conventional sense, in the first place.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

What XBlackExcellenceX is saying with the soul manipulation I believe is that if you have taken/absorbed the being's soul, they aren't conventionally dead/injured, and so True-Godly regen wouldn't activate

 

[Sera_EX]

Besides Hadou/Gudou Gods, what makes you think an undimensioned being has a soul or that this soul can be affected by a lesser being? The power belongs to a tier that is practically indestructible and only on this wiki for indexing purposes.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It's not a lesser being though. The OP states its between two equal beings. And depending on the fiction, it might or might not have a soul, as mentioned about Masadaverse and Outer Gods above

 

[GallantKnight_X]

I don't think the average hax would work against somehing that can regenerate from being non-existent. Not to mention only outversal beings and above are capable of such revival, so why take those abilities as a factor. @Black

 

[Sera_EX]

That was mentioned by me ^_^

The problem is the OP wasn't aware of the true nature of this regen. A battle between two 1-As shouldn't be discussed. We have no idea how it would go down unless it's in-universe, in which case the author decides.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

See, at least Masada had a nice way of defining which 1-A could beat which with Taikyou values. That was a good system.

 

[Sera_EX]

Yes, I agree.

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

which is minimum tier for true godly Regenerationn

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

it means i can regenerate even if i am removed from both existance and nonexistance so chaos in sailor moon can destroy object beyond nothingness is the same or not?

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

who can kill yog slogth

 

[VenomElite]

There is no minimum tier for true godly Regenerationn. It is primarily given to 1-As by default, but it is possible for it to be bestowed to lower tier characters. Said characters must regenerate from erasure from both existence and nonexistence. I don't follow Sailor Moon anymore, so I wouldn't know if that qualifies.

True godly regen also =/= Transduality but if you have true godly regen, you are automatically transdual.

No soul manipulation or conceptual manipulation, nor existence erasure is enough to prevent true godly regen. Being destroyed from all of reality and even erased from nothingness is not enough to prevent true godly regen.

What stops true godly regen is completely dependent upon the author in question it seems. Lambdadelta was killed by Featherine but was still capable of regenerating from Oblivion, beyond existence, beyond nothingness. The dimensionless background which permeates the entire setting of Umineko essentially.

True Godly Regenerationn should never been used in a debate as it leads nowhere, the power is only included for indexing purposes. Hopefully, I made this clear enough.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

No soul manipulation or conceptual manipulation, nor existence erasure is enough to prevent true godly regen. Being destroyed from all of reality and even erased from nothingness is not enough to prevent true godly regen.

I would like to mention that my comment was examples of powers that can potentially nullify true-godly regen, not how to permanently destroy characters with it. Having this level of regen doesn't give a character invulnerability to hax.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

who can kill yog slogth

Do you mean Yog-Sothoth?

If yes, then... A Tier 0

 

[VenomElite]

I would like to mention that my comment was examples of powers that can potentially nullify true-godly regen, not how to permanently destroy characters with it. Having this level of regen doesn't give a character invulnerability to hax.

>Invulnerability to hax

Hax? The OP clearly states that the characters are the same tier, and one has true godly regen. Conventionally speaking, that would mean they are both 1-A which shouldn't be debated anyway. The only non 1-A characters that have true godly regen are extremely rare and from very over the top and delicate stories such as Umineko and that's because those characters are a nature, similar to that of a 1-A.

What other examples? Hadou/Gudou Gods? Outer Gods? They're all 1-A. As I said, I'm not sure of Chaos from Sailor Moon. I'd like more clarifications on the abilities of this character, because if someone has regenerated from complete destruction at the hands of Chaos, they may have true godly regen. But other than that, Any non Tier 1 character with true godly regen is ultra rare and they likely will never come across a character of the same tier (as the OP states) who has the hax to nullify their level of regen.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Hax? The OP clearly states that the characters are the same tier, and one has true godly regen. Conventionally speaking, that would mean they are both 1-A which shouldn't be debated anyway. The only non 1-A characters that have true godly regen are extremely rare and from very over the top and delicate stories such as Umineko and that's because those characters are a nature, similar to that of a 1-A.

Yeah both characters are in the same tier, meaning the hax I mentioned above would possibly work. Everything else you stated is accurate. Perhaps you should close this given it's basically a 1-A battle.

What other examples? Hadou/Gudou Gods? Outer Gods? They're all 1-A. As I said, I'm not sure of Chaos from Sailor Moon. I'd like more clarifications on the abilities of this character, because if someone has regenerated from complete destruction at the hands of Chaos, they may have true godly regen. But other than that, Any non Tier 1 character with true godly regen is ultra rare and they likely will never come across a character of the same tier (as the OP states) who has the hax to nullify their level of regen.

What? I was referring to my original comment. Not 1-A characters with true-godly regen.

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

can you tell me who is the strongest character who is not a tier 0

 

[VenomElite]

Wot. My bad then XBlack. Yeah I'll go ahead and close this then.