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Webtoon Battle: Ihwa (Hero Killer) VS Suchan Jang (Jungle Juice): (GRACE)

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Ihwa VS Suchan Jang​

Rules:
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Ihwa's Post-Joining Nameless Key and Suchan's Hunter's Force Key is used.
  • Ihwa has access to her copied abilities.
  • Both start 50 meters each other.


"I shall become… the face of death.": 0
"I'm not... I'm not a monster!": 7
"Inconclusive": 0


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Alright, getting raw stats out of the way-

Attack Potency:
  • Ihwa: 16,449,038.1 joules based on this feat.
  • Suchan: 18,462,671.7 joules via scaling to this feat, Hare Coursing and Hunting Rifle are consistently a roughly 2x and 4x AP increase for his other keys which have calc'd values for them.
~1.12x AP advantage in Suchan's favor for normal attacks, ~2.24x & ~4.49x AP advantage with Hare Coursing and Hunting Rifle.

Speed: Equalized, ~1.4x & ~2x advantage in Suchan's favor with Hare Coursing and Hunting Rifle (although not really for Hunting Rifle since he has to stop and can only travel in a straight line.)

Lifting Strength:
  • Ihwa: Okay so for some reason her profile still says Average Human for her 1st key, even though there was a CRT upgrading it to Athletic Human, so I'm using baseline Athletic Human, or 120 kg.
  • Suchan: At least 43,372.17 kg via scaling above this feat, likely 54,184.05 kg via scaling to this feat.
~361.43 - 451.53x LS advantage in Suchan's favor.
 
Jade's gift doesn't shock anyone because it burns them to death before electrical effects set in.



It quite literally blows holes in people, killing them instantly before any form of paralysis can set in.
 
Cimafranca133 said:
I don't recall Jade shocking anyone.
Anyways, how would Suchan deal with Illusion Manip?
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It's Illusion Manipulation based on Fear Manipulation, and it happened when she copied Jade's Gift- which she can't do here because Insecta Complexes and Gifts/EST are too different power systems to be Verse Equalized.
azontr said:
Jade's gift doesn't shock anyone because it burns them to death before electrical effects set in.



It quite literally blows holes in people, killing them instantly before any form of paralysis can set in.
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azontr said:
Jade's electricity also melted through a steel fire extinguisher.



So heat isn't a problem.
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None of that looks like burning. The clean hand-holes was against opponents way weaker than he was- and same story when Ihwa stomped him. And before Ihwa stole his gift, she was shown blocking hits from him without getting burned. The fire extinguisher also looks like it was just blown apart with blue glowy effects- backed up by how the knife he broke using his Gift wasn't melted, just snapped in two.

 
Cimafranca133 said:
Now that I think about it, does Ihwa even any win cons?
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That's why I was asking about how Jade's Gift works

There's no way she can keep Suchan from picking her up due to the huge LS difference, and the stat amps are the icing on the cake.

Maybe it would be fairer if Post-Midterms Suchan was used? Although then there's a chance she gets stomped via Complex Runaway
 
Cimafranca133 said:
Ihwa also has access to her copied abilities
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In that case-
Physical Stats-
Attack Potency:
  • Ihwa: At least 30,871,916.482 joules via scaling to punching through a character who did this feat
  • Suchan: At least 63,653,297.745 joules via scaling to a character no-selling this feat times 15, 177,839,528.2 joules with Air Gun & Double Tap via this feat
2.06x AP Advantage in Suchan's favor with normal attacks, at most 5.76x AP Advantage with Air Gun & Double Tap

Speed: Similar story as before

Lifting Strength:
  • Ihwa: Athletic Human so 120 kg
  • Suchan: Around 122,824.00 kg via scaling to this feat
1,023.53x LS Advantage in Suchan's favor

The Other Stuff-
Ihwa's Favor:
  • More skilled in general
  • Way more abilities, even if she can only use one at a time
  • Weapon Creation with Grayman's and Victoria's Gifts
  • Huge Range with Engen's Gift
  • Suchan has no real counter against Invisibility & Portal Creation
Suchan's Favor:
  • Night Vision & Way Higher Analytical Prediction with Dragon Vision
  • Flight, with Air Gun being usable mid-air unlike the regular Hunting Rifle
  • Knuckle Guards' durability at least scales to his Air Gun
  • Ihwa can only use her temporarily copied Gifts for a limited time
 
Cimafranca133 said:
She can use Grayman's Gift to surround herself with sharp blades to severely damage Suchan.
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Suchan can grab blades by their edges without cutting his hands with the gloves- will add image when I'm off mobile.
Cimafranca133 said:
There's also Portal Creation which could help her escape in case Suchan manages to grab and drop her.
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Yeah there's that

Alright, sounds like this'll work as a fight
 
azontr said:
All of the temporarily copied abilities???
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Ihwa's profile's weird in that each key's Temporarily Copied abilities section only has the one's she's shown at that key's time (So like she's had John Nash's Resurrection for probably a while but only used them recently so it's in her latest key)

Anyway she's got Engen's Darkness Manip, Victoria's Light Manip, Vector's Portals, and the unluckiest delivery man's Coin-Flip Invisibility
 
By all of them I meant all of the ones she had in this key. Since you can specify which ones she has since their optional.
 
azontr said:
By all of them I meant all of the ones she had in this key. Since you can specify which ones she has since their optional.
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Yeah all of them in that key.

So Suchan's got a notable stat advantage, flight, and analytical prediction, while Ihwa's got way more abilities and versality even if she can only use one at a time, and range with Engen's Gift- even if her usage of it with the shadow tornado was at night.
 
azontr said:
How good is Suchan in H2H combat?
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It's his primary method of combat, but he hasn't received the same level of training like Ihwa has. With that said, his Analytical Prediction's let him- besides trivialize Danmaku- dodge and land attacks on folk much faster and with decades of experience on him (although he still got wrecked since Jun Ji's the GOAT)


(Professor Ji used to be a combat instructor in the US Army, while this is beginning of series Suchan who has been in literally one fight.)

Granted that was a casual Jun Ji, however that was also 1st Key Suchan while here 5th Key Suchan's being used, and since then he's-
  • Received regular training from Professor Ji
  • Been in a ton of life-or-death fights
  • Received goggles which amplify his Compound Vision's abilities even further
  • Received instruction by the top Sophomore student / creator of said goggles on how to coordinate what he sees to what his body feels so that he can use the goggles while they're dialed up to the max
  • Gotten a power-up (Hunter's Force), which let him shit on the AP from an opponent who-
    • Has an extra pair of Orchid Mantis eyes on her head (along with the obvious raptorial forelimbs)
    • Was capable of previously predicting Suchan's trajectory while he was using his fully dialed up googles and a combat & reaction speed stat-amp based on the dragonflies' ability to cut off all escape routes of their target
    • Could ballerina-around every hit from the Class President / previous semester's top Freshmen student when she wasn't literally tied up beforehand or caught off-guard by said student still fighting after their head was cut off, and this was despite the Class Prez specifically noting that they were faster than her.
    • Did the previous things in her base form, whom Professor Ji was capable of immediately disarming and pinning to the ground, while her Origin of Species- The Homunculus let her fight him on even grounds. (And then Suchan wrecked her.)
  • And Suchan did that after his goggles had been taken off- so he was without his Compound Vision buffs like his Night Vision, which would end up screwing him over in his next fight. After that he uses Hunter's Force with the goggles on as well, meaning his AP's buffed even further.
TL;DR: Suchan went from this to this-
 
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Cimafranca133 said:
Nah but Vector has used it to protect Engen and escape from Bishop
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Suchan's not like folk with stingers or raptorial forelimbs though- he moves his whole body around at the same speed that he fights at- or in other words his travel speed isn't much slower than his combat speed.

Vector's portals have shown to let him go to different districts, which would at most BFR Suchan for a day, as he can do inter-city travel. (He flew from Nest's Lab Building to well outside campus within one panel, the Antlion took him across Black Island in like three panels, Suchan and Hyeseong figured they could just run to / fly to Sokcho from where Nest's hostel in the mountains was, and later Suchan lured Gigantea from Breeder's house, which was just outside the city center of Sokcho, to Seoraksan National Park, which is at its east boundary, in a short period of time)

And Ihwa can't just keep using it since it's a temporarily copied Gift.

[EDIT: Read that the wrong way and checked Ch 72- yeah Vector does just summon lava with it.]

Still can't assume Ihwa can do everything with a temporarily copied gift that its owners can do- using Victoria's giant Eternal Dream versus Ihwa's normal sized sword as an example.
 
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