Watchmen (2009) Manhattan tier

[remyzero]

"Nope, dimensionality on its own also means nothing anymore because now you need proof for existential superiority for said dimensions. Read our Tiering System FAQ and Explanation pages to know more.
Being stated to be 5D or 6D without any further proof wouldn't even be enough to grant it Higher-Dimensional Existence even, it's too vague."

so if mxyzptlk's twin (or brother ,cousin) were to be mentioned destroying planet ,twin wouldn't be considered like 2a or 1c just being cousin to mxyzptlk, then ? even if twins are the same person ? sounds interesting.

"Because he doesn't use it to fight."

how can you use teleportation to fight, rather than changing place ?maybe teleport a planet and like throw it to someone ?
so if odin's best feat were to teleport people from galaxy to galaxy (and that energy were to be mentioned by like thor or tony stark as a joule ), you wouldn't consider mcu odin as galactic being then if i understand correctly ? since it wasn't used as ap even if odin were to conjure that energy in joules.


"It doesn't need to scale to his striking strength, we have environmental damage feats and creation feats be tiered separately unless there is implication of a universal energy source being in u"

there is only one feat, cities being destroyed. nothing above this as far as i can see. he blew up his friend,a tank, some other people.
that's also why i brought up the teleportation .it is the only other thing that he physically did

 

[KLOL506]

so if mxyzptlk's twin (or brother ,cousin) were to be mentioned destroying planet ,twin wouldn't be considered like 2a or 1c just being cousin to mxyzptlk, then ? even if twins are the same person ? sounds interesting.

DC is currently undergoing a massive revision so assuming anything at this point would be a fool's errand.

"Because he doesn't use it to fight."

how can you use teleportation to fight, rather than changing place ?maybe teleport a planet and like throw it to someone ?
so if odin's best feat were to teleport people from galaxy to galaxy (and that energy were to be mentioned by like thor or tony stark as a joule ), you wouldn't consider mcu odin as galactic being then if i understand correctly ? since it wasn't used as ap even if odin were to conjure that energy in joules.

Teleportation is not a combat-related hax by its very nature, so you can't use it as a justification for AP to begin with.

there is only one feat, cities being destroyed. nothing above this as far as i can see. he blew up his friend,a tank, some other people.
that's also why i brought up the teleportation .it is the only other thing that he physically did

So, City level via powers.

 

[remyzero]

"Teleportation is not a combat-related hax by its very nature, so you can't use it as a justification for AP to begin with."

not directly maybe you can't ,but say that there are two gods with similar nature like thor and hela , one is able to teleport ,other one can't.
or one has to wait longer than other one , then you wouldn't consider one more powerful than other one ? in raw power ,like having more magical powers or being totally superior to other one.

because if nothing had been mentioned about arishem in eternals movie , i would have directly put arishem above odin because he was able to teleport to earth and away when odin couldn't .
wouldn't you put arishem above odin with just teleportation scene ?

So, City level via powers.

i think it was implied ,used energy was lesser to manhattan's power and it destroyed dozens of cities so manhattan should be at least country level.

 

[KLOL506]

not directly maybe you can't ,but say that there are two gods with similar nature like thor and hela , one is able to teleport ,other one can't.
or one has to wait longer than other one , then you wouldn't consider one more powerful than other one ? in raw power ,like having more magical powers or being totally superior to other one.

This does not imply superiority in brute force power. Just means one has better skillset than the other. Having more hax or better quality hax does not necessarily mean your firepower is stronger.

because if nothing had been mentioned about arishem in eternals movie , i would have directly put arishem above odin because he was able to teleport to earth and away when odin couldn't .
wouldn't you put arishem above odin with just teleportation scene ?

Not without actual feats of offensive and defensive power I wouldn't.

i think it was implied ,used energy was lesser to manhattan's power and it destroyed dozens of cities so manhattan should be at least country level.

No. Teleportation doesn't work like this.

 

[remyzero]

This does not imply superiority in brute force power. Just means one has better skillset than the other. Having more hax or better quality hax does not necessarily mean your firepower is stronger.

two similar magical gods , ones magic is powerful enough to teleport, other ones magic is weak and can't teleport
this literally means one of them have more magic than other one .
it would have nothing to do with skillset ,they are not like doctor strange and wong if they were to do it with pure power

it doesn't have to be about firepower .my question was

"you wouldn't consider one more powerful than other one ? in raw power ,like having more magical powers or being totally superior to other one."
question was about having more raw power, more magic, looking superior to other one.

i mean loki is very weak in ap terms but if he was able to teleport i would put him above thanos and hulk for example. if he could teleport when odin struggled.

Not without actual feats of offensive and defensive power I wouldn't.

No. Teleportation doesn't work like this.

no i am talking about bomb destroying cities. what do you mean teleportation about nukes that destroyed cities
i was talking about adrian veidt destroying new york london..

 

[KLOL506]

two similar magical gods , ones magic is powerful enough to teleport, other ones magic is weak and can't teleport
this literally means one of them have more magic than other one .

Nope, still wouldn't work, just means the other guy's teleportation is of better quality. That's it. This has nothing to do with magic supply.

it doesn't have to be about firepower .my question was

"you wouldn't consider one more powerful than other one ? in raw power ,like having more magical powers or being totally superior to other one."
question was about having more raw power, more magic, looking superior to other one.

i mean loki is very weak in ap terms but if he was able to teleport i would put him above thanos and hulk for example. if he could teleport when odin struggled.

No, this is faulty reasoning simply because teleportation is not a combat-related hax that one can use for offense or defense. It is a movement-related hax.

no i am talking about bomb destroying cities. what do you mean teleportation about nukes that destroyed cities

So? Just calculate the destruction of Manhattan and scale it to Manhattan's powers since the explosion is fully derived from his powers.

 

[remyzero]

Nope, still wouldn't work, just means the other guy's teleportation is of better quality. That's it. This has nothing to do with magic supply.

but if you know teleportation is connected to beings raw power .then it would mean both are directly connected
like if odin is 10 times more powerful than loki and if he can teleport 10 times more than loki then it would mean
raw magical power and teleportation is directly connected.

we also know this is connected to magic supply when loki stated it.

" just means the other guy's teleportation is of better quality."
because it would mean other guy has more magic ,sometimes better quality of teleportation is directly connected to your raw power.


"with bifrost gone, how much dark energy did the all-father have to muster to conjure you"
this implies raw power ,it is not a cheap trick that weaker one can and more powerful one can't
i think with this sentence teleportation is directly connected to his raw magical power.

dark energy to muster is even same thing with "magic supply"
it is really hard to find a right example now but sometimes teleportation is a sign of superiority and having more raw power rather than a cheap trick.
like doctor strange's is a trick that he uses every time, it is not his own power either.
but loki implies that odin teleported with own raw power rather than a trick like doctor strange.

No, this is faulty reasoning simply because teleportation is not a combat-related hax that one can use for offense or defense. It is a movement-related hax.

it doesn't have be combat related to be above other character in power. you dont have beat someone to be more powerful.

if thanos was planetary and if loki had teleported a solar system away, he still wouldn't be above thanos ? and teleporting star would be below lifting a planet ?

So? Just calculate the destruction of Manhattan and scale it to Manhattan's powers since the explosion is fully derived from his powers.

8-10 cities were destroyed but it is hard to tell how many cities manhattan can destroy, we just saw 8-10 cities being destroyed .nothing more is known

 

[KLOL506]

but if you know teleportation is connected to beings raw power .then it would mean both are directly connected
like if odin is 10 times more powerful than loki and if he can teleport 10 times more than loki then it would mean
raw magical power and teleportation is directly connected.

No. Even if connected to raw power, if not used in a sense of combat, teleportation can never be classified as AP. Ever.

we also know this is connected to magic supply when loki stated it.

It is not used in combat offensively or defensively. So the entire argument is moot.

" just means the other guy's teleportation is of better quality."
because it would mean other guy has more magic ,sometimes better quality of teleportation is directly connected to your raw power.

No, it isn't, if anything, it'd be evidence of you using less magic because you end up wasting less power as you gain better control of your magic supply.

"with bifrost gone, how much dark energy did the all-father have to muster to conjure you"
this implies raw power ,it is not a cheap trick that weaker one can and more powerful one can't
i think with this sentence teleportation is directly connected to his raw magical power.

Again, inapplicable in combat, so moot point. Also, why are you brining MCU into this?

dark energy to muster is even same thing with "magic supply"
it is really hard to find a right example now but sometimes teleportation is a sign of superiority and having more raw power rather than a cheap trick.

For the last time, inapplicable in combat. I'd suggest you drop the MCU argument or I will have to ask a staff member to close this thread for extreme derailment.

like doctor strange's is a trick that he uses every time, it is not his own power either.
but loki implies that odin teleported with own raw power rather than a trick like doctor strange.

Unlike Odin tho, Doctor Strange's portals blatantly have AP for being able to slice through beings like Cull Obsidian and being able to actually destroy the Earth's surface if left unchecked.

And again, massive derailment. This is not at all related to Dr. Manhattan.

it doesn't have be combat related to be above other character in power. you dont have beat someone to be more powerful.

Wrong, you explicitly need to show both offensive and defensive capabilities for scaling to happen, and for your hax to scale to AP, you need to show feats for it or beat someone with said powers.

if thanos was planetary and if loki had teleported a solar system away, he still wouldn't be above thanos ? and teleporting star would be below lifting a planet ?

Nope.

8-10 cities were destroyed but it is hard to tell how many cities manhattan can destroy, we just saw 8-10 cities being destroyed .nothing more is known

We only saw the Manhattan region of New York being blown up. The ground-based explosion formula will be more than enough to measure the destruction.

 

[remyzero]

No. Even if connected to raw power, if not used in a sense of combat, teleportation can never be classified as AP. Ever.

It is not used in combat offensively or defensively. So the entire argument is moot.

No, it isn't, if anything, it'd be evidence of you using less magic because you end up wasting less power as you gain better control of your magic supply.

no imagine there are two beings ,first magical being has 10k energy ,second magical being has 100k energy . second one can do teleportation 10 times more than first one because energy of teleportation is fixed and same for both.
like odin =100k raw power
loki=10k raw power
if odin can do teleportation 10 times more it means he is 10 times more powerful from reverse .

Again, inapplicable in combat, so moot point. Also, why are you brining MCU into this?

because unlike watchmen universe that is almost our real universe, even less realistic mcu characters like odin has realistic when it comes to teleportation.
if we go with watchmen universe ,it is as realistic as our universe , it watchmen there is no reason to think that teleportation is any different than our real universe.i dont see any trick in watchmen universe to claim that teleportation can be like pokemon
watchmen universe must be like %99.0 realistic .
giving an example like pokemon can teleport but can still be below galactic ,that logic obviously can't work for watchmen universe where everything is like real.

For the last time, inapplicable in combat. I'd suggest you drop the MCU argument or I will have to ask a staff member to close this thread for extreme derailment.

Unlike Odin tho, Doctor Strange's portals blatantly have AP for being able to slice through beings like Cull Obsidian and being able to actually destroy the Earth's surface if left unchecked.

portal itself cut cull obsidian ,even peters friend human used ring and opened a portal but human is still human with a trick in the hand.
while odin had to spend his own energy proves us that odin has to follow the rules of real teleportation to a point whether it requires less or more but
we know odin can't teleport like it is some kind of cheap trick .
if it was random trick ,odin would do it with zero effort since human kid was able to do it and still was human.

and slings can open infinite number of wormholes and close them so sling wormhole may be considered a trick while odins teleportation requires almost all of his power.
the point here is not hole being able to cut cull obsidian and it is ap

you may consider teleportation that comes with ring as a cheap trick because source of power is unknown, no decrease or damage in the rings,
it is like chavez opening wormholes infinitely .chavez' rings can cut cull obsdiain either but that doesn't make chavez above cull obsidian because chavez' wormholes may require zero energy and has no connection to real wormholes but odins might be
sorry for giving mcu example again

And again, massive derailment. This is not at all related to Dr. Manhattan.

because watchmen universe is even more realistic.
i don't know why you think that teleportation of watchmen can be trick since watchmen universe has almost no such thing like tricks in it.
i gave other example to show that even less realistic universe ,teleportation requires energy rather than being a trick

Wrong, you explicitly need to show both offensive and defensive capabilities for scaling to happen, and for your hax to scale to AP, you need to show feats for it or beat someone with said powers.


Nope.


We only saw the Manhattan region of New York being blown up. The ground-based explosion formula will be more than enough to measure the destruction.

we saw the names of cities that were destroyed .moscow had to be destroyed so that two countries united at the end

what i was trying to say from the start

teleportation of manhattan and odin may require the same energy with our real world or despite being less but same logic.

but wormholes of chavez and slingring may require zero energy and basically not any kind of teleportation, simple trick like a pokemon.

 

[KLOL506]

no imagine there are two beings ,first magical being has 10k energy ,second magical being has 100k energy . second one can do teleportation 10 times more than first one because energy of teleportation is fixed and same for both.
like odin =100k raw power
loki=10k raw power
if odin can do teleportation 10 times more it means he is 10 times more powerful from reverse .

Nope. Larger magic supply =/= higher offensive or defensive power by default if you have no feats of being able to convert that energy to both effectively and efficiently.

because unlike watchmen universe that is almost our real universe, even less realistic mcu characters like odin has realistic when it comes to teleportation.
if we go with watchmen universe ,it is as realistic as our universe , it watchmen there is no reason to think that teleportation is any different than our real universe.i dont see any trick in watchmen universe to claim that teleportation can be like pokemon
watchmen universe must be like %99.0 realistic .
giving an example like pokemon can teleport but can still be below galactic ,that logic obviously can't work for watchmen universe where everything is like real.

Also a no, not all verses operate on the same mechanisms, one verse having it doesn't mean the other will have it, and this is especially true when conflating IRL cosmological aspects with fictional ones.

portal itself cut cull obsidian ,even peters friend human used ring and opened a portal but human is still human with a trick in the hand.

It is still an AP feat for the Sling Ring.

while odin had to spend his own energy proves us that odin has to follow the rules of real teleportation to a point whether it requires less or more but
we know odin can't teleport like it is some kind of cheap trick .

Fact of the matter is, it still isn't combat applicable, so it's unquantifiable hax.

if it was random trick ,odin would do it with zero effort since human kid was able to do it and still was human.

Not all teleportation is the same.

and slings can open infinite number of wormholes and close them so sling wormhole may be considered a trick while odins teleportation requires almost all of his power.

Slings create portals, not wormholes, massive difference. Not all portals are automatically wormholes, those require incredibly strict standards to follow and even then you're not guaranteed success.

it is like chavez opening wormholes infinitely .chavez' rings can cut cull obsdiain either but that doesn't make chavez above cull obsidian because chavez' wormholes may require zero energy and has no connection to real wormholes

If it actually shows feats of cutting through Cull Obsidian that's AP through and through.

Odin's transportation methods have shown no such feat. So it can't be AP. End of story.

because watchmen universe is even more realistic.

Being more realistic than one other fiction does not guarantee you that its teleportation systems will be 1:1 with ours, again, there are strict standards and criteria that such feats have to fulfill to be considered the real deal.

i don't know why you think that teleportation of watchmen can be trick since watchmen universe has almost no such thing like tricks in it.
i gave other example to show that even less realistic universe ,teleportation requires energy rather than being a trick

I already answered above this quote why this tactic won't work.

we saw the names of cities that were destroyed .moscow had to be destroyed so that two countries united at the end

Find the widest point of the cities, convert the distance to meters, halve to get radius and then dump into the ground-based explosion formula to get results, profit.

teleportation of manhattan and odin may require the same energy with our real world

Let's not try to conflate the two, as I have already stated, such energy usage need to fulfill strict criteria akin to our black holes criteria to even remotely qualify for such a usage, and even then it's not a guaranteed success, given the fact that Odin's teleportation powers are not combat-applicable.

but wormholes of chavez and slingring may require zero energy and basically not any kind of teleportation, simple trick like a pokemon.

Unfortunately, those feats do have AP showings of being usable in combat.

I suggest that you continue this topic no further and for the last time, I plead that you keep looking for actual usable feats.

@Emirp sumitpo Your assistance may be needed here.

 

[remyzero]

It is still an AP feat for the Sling Ring.

doesn't change the fact that it is most likely a cheap trick for its user . ap is portal closing. you can't punch someone or lift with the ring
while odin can use same power dark energy he mustered both on lifting punching and opening a wormhole.
human with slingring is still human
but dark energy odin mustered is real energy.while giving someone else can amp other person.
like odin force transfer to thor.

Not all teleportation is the same.

exactly that is what i am trying to say. some of them might be based on reality.

Slings create portals, not wormholes, massive difference. Not all portals are automatically wormholes, those require incredibly strict standards to follow and even then you're not guaranteed success.

how is any different in real world ?

If it actually shows feats of cutting through Cull Obsidian that's AP through and through.

Odin's transportation methods have shown no such feat. So it can't be AP. End of story.

closing portal cutting cull means nothing. you can't use the ring to lift or to punch anyone
while odin's power that was used on teleportation can also be used to punch someone
so while odins teleportation actually has ap, and stranges sling doesn't have

teleportation that comes with ring is a trick and has no other power to use on someone.
you can only open a portal but sling ring has no energy on it .

chavez can open infinite number of portal and can kill infinite number of cull obsidian but can still be human tier being.
it doesn't mean chavez then becomes like universal if she kills infinite number of high beings she can be still tiered humanlike.

i think you got it completely reversed.

Being more realistic than one other fiction does not guarantee you that its teleportation systems will be 1:1 with ours, again, there are strict standards and criteria that such feats have to fulfill to be considered the real deal.

of course it doesn't guarantee.

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even here chavez is tiered as building level
if she had killed infinite number of very high beings on her collapsing portals she would still stay building level
so ring killing cull obsidian didn't give any tier to its user .someone dying on her portal can't obviously increase her tier.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

even here chavez is tiered as building level
if she had killed very higher beings on her portals she would still stay building level

Chavez isn't building level because of portals or anything. She's Multi-City Block level because of her splitting clouds with her punches.

 

[remyzero]

Chavez isn't building level because of portals or anything. She's Multi-City Block level because of her splitting clouds with her punches.

exactly , not because of portals but her punches i agree.
because her portals don't mean anything just like cull obsidian dying on a portal opened by slingring

he implied that sling ring killing cull matters when in fact it doesn't , user is still human
it doesn't make sling user above cull obsidian .you can't punch or lift with the ring.
chavez may have killed thanos on her portal that wouldn't make her above thanos either.In fact in theory she can open infinite number of portals and kill infinite number of thanos' but her tier would still stay the same.
but if odin opened a portal and killed thanos ,it would prove odin is above thanos because odin would have done it with his raw power that can be used on lifting or punching as well

"Chavez isn't building level because of portals or anything. She's Multi-City Block level because of her splitting clouds with her punches."
i agree with this %100 . that was my point.

 

[KLOL506]

doesn't change the fact that it is most likely a cheap trick for its user . ap is portal closing. you can't punch someone or lift with the ring

You can slice through them. Which is also AP. Lifting strength is not AP. AP isn't strictly locked down to punches.

while odin can use same power dark energy he mustered both on lifting punching and opening a wormhole.

Where is your evidence to support that he uses dark energy to amplify his punches?

human with slingring is still human

Irrelevant.

but dark energy odin mustered is real energy.while giving someone else can amp other person.

Headcanon that such an amp happened.

like odin force transfer to thor.

This is MCU, not the comics. Such a transfer has not happened in the movies.

exactly that is what i am trying to say. some of them might be based on reality.

That's flimsy reasoning.

how is any different in real world ?

Ask black holes.

closing portal cutting cull means nothing. you can't use the ring to lift or to punch anyone

In case you haven't realized, lifting strength is not AP unless done rapidly, and AP isn't strictly locked down to punches. AP is literally being able to damage your foe in any way possible that doesn't involve durability negation.

while odin's power that was used on teleportation can also be used to punch someone

Again, give evidence that Odin has used this power to amplify his punches in the past.

so while odins teleportation actually has ap, and stranges sling doesn't have

LMFAO what even

Sling Rings have AP solely via their portals closing and cutting Cull, Odin has no such feat.

teleportation that comes with ring is a trick and has no other power to use on someone.

Irrelevant. If you disagree, make a CRT to revise cutting not equating to AP because it 100% does, you'd be going against the site at this point.

you can only open a portal but sling ring has no energy on it .

LITERALLY. DOES NOT MATTER.

You do not need to have an energy source on your own to have AP. You only need to dish out an attack of a certain energy value, it's the resultant energy that counts, or your damage someone who survived a certain energy value. That is LITERALLY how AP works.

chavez can open infinite number of portal and can kill infinite number of cull obsidian but can still be human tier being.

Nah, just mean's she's 6-B with portals for killing a Cull Obsidian. Infinite number of Culls is just range, if it ever happened.

it doesn't mean chavez then becomes like universal if she kills infinite number of high beings she can be still tiered humanlike.

That's not how High Universal ratings work, that's range. She'd be 6-B for cutting through Cull with said portal. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.

i think you got it completely reversed.

I haven't gotten anything reversed, but rather it has become abundantly clear to me that you have very little grasp of how our site standards actually work.

America Chavez (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

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even here chavez is tiered as building level
if she had killed infinite number of very high beings on her collapsing portals she would still stay building level
so ring killing cull obsidian didn't give any tier to its user .someone dying on her portal can't obviously increase her tier.

She's 8-A for splitting clouds.

exactly , not because of portals but her punches i agree.
because her portals don't mean anything just like cull obsidian dying on a portal opened by slingring

What the hell are you talking about exactly?

he implied that sling ring killing cull matters when in fact it doesn't , user is still human

How does the user being human affect the fact that the Sling Ring is 6-B via portals?

it doesn't make sling user above cull obsidian .you can't punch or lift with the ring.

It does with portals. Sure, it doesn't scale to striking strength but the portal is a very real weapon that the user can use to kill people of higher tiers than themselves.

chavez may have killed thanos on her portal that wouldn't make her above thanos either.

It would with portals if they were strong enough, but we know they're not, because Thanos's skin is described as being near-impenetrable even to Strange's portals.

In fact in theory she can open infinite number of portals

Environmental damage much?

and kill infinite number of thanos'

Again, just range.

but her tier would still stay the same.

Her physical tier remains unchanged, her magical tier however, scales above Thanos. We rate characters' physical tier and supernatural power tier separately for characters all the time.

but if odin opened a portal and killed thanos ,it would prove odin is above thanos

What the **** is the difference here? No it wouldn't, they'd still both be 6-B via portals.

because odin would have done it with his raw power that can be used on lifting or punching as well

For the last time: LIFTING FEATS AREN'T AP UNLESS DONE IN A RAPID MOTION, AND AP ISN'T LIMITED TO PUNCHES AND KICKS.

"Chavez isn't building level because of portals or anything. She's Multi-City Block level because of her splitting clouds with her punches."
i agree with this %100 . that was my point.

No, your points are all over the goddamn place, people are literally having trouble understanding what you're talking about.

This has derailed beyond the scope of the original thread's topic for too long. I'm asking thread mods to close this, and hopefully OP can make another proper thread dedicated solely to collecting feats for the Watchmen movie.

@Emirp sumitpo If you would.

 

[remyzero]

"Nah, just mean's she's 6-B with portals for killing a Cull Obsidian. Infinite number of Culls is just range, if it ever happened."
how is killing one cull and killing infinite number of culls are the same thing
if killing one cull is planetary ,then killing bunch of them normally becomes solar level tier .


"How does the user being human affect the fact that the Sling Ring is 6-B via portals?"
it doesn't . ring is 6b , not the user. totally different things.
human + ring is not 6b ,he is still human tier.


"Her physical tier remains unchanged, her magical tier however, scales above Thanos. We rate characters' physical tier and supernatural power tier separately for characters all the time."
i meant overall tier
"

remyzero said:
but if odin opened a portal and killed thanos ,it would prove odin is above thanos

What the **** is the difference here? No it wouldn't, they'd still both be 6-B via portals."
the difference is : then one would have proven himself to powerful in every category , other one would still be human who just opens portals.
thats really is to understand actually

if odin had opened a portal and killed cull obsidian ,it would mean odin is above cull in overall tier because he would have done it with magic that can be used to punch or throw .
basically if portal of odin kills cull obsidian , this means odin most likely can throw cull around with magic or beat him physically
while if human with slingring or chavez opens portal and kills cull obsidian his overall tier still stays the same

 

[KLOL506]

"Nah, just mean's she's 6-B with portals for killing a Cull Obsidian. Infinite number of Culls is just range, if it ever happened."
how is killing one cull and killing infinite number of culls are the same thing

You're killing them separately.

if killing one cull is planetary ,then killing bunch of them normally becomes solar level tier .

They don't stack up like that. We have rules against it.

"How does the user being human affect the fact that the Sling Ring is 6-B via portals?"
it doesn't . ring is 6b , not the user. totally different things.
human + ring is not 6b ,he is still human tier.

Now you finally understand the importance of separate tiers and separation from Striking Strength that is common place.

"Her physical tier remains unchanged, her magical tier however, scales above Thanos. We rate characters' physical tier and supernatural power tier separately for characters all the time."
i meant overall tier
"

Case-by-case. We tend to rate both the physical aspect and the weapon aspect of the character separately if there is enough significance for both sides.

What the **** is the difference here? No it wouldn't, they'd still both be 6-B via portals."
the difference is : then one would have proven himself to powerful in every category , other one would still be human who just opens portals.
thats really is to understand actually

Proving oneself powerful in every category doesn't mean jackshit if you don't have the feats to back it up.

if odin had opened a portal and killed cull obsidian ,it would mean odin is above cull in overall tier because he would have done it with magic that can be used to punch or throw .

One small issue. Odin DOESN'T use said magic to punch or throw, you have failed to provide evidence for your claim.

Also no, just because you can use a magic source to amplify your physicals doesn't suddenly make your magic superior to Sling Rings that can only cut but still is within the same tier when it comes to feat showcases. Both killing Cull Obsidian would still give them the same tier, 6-B.

basically if portal of odin kills cull obsidian , this means odin most likely can throw cull around with magic or beat him physically
while if human with slingring or chavez opens portal and kills cull obsidian his overall tier still stays the same

Wrong. Just because one magic gives you more abilities to work with doesn't mean it's automatically superior to the other less-versatile magic if they both have the same feat of harming someone with x durability.

 

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This is becoming derailing from the original point of the thread. I'm just closing this.