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Warhammer 40K new fodder recalc.
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Consistent with the Masque and shit (which is presumably between the very upper bound of High 4-C and baseline 4-B going by the end of Castellan), so...yeah.
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Well, if Azathoth accepts this, I think that you can proceed with updating the pages. Just remember that the tiers, attack potencies, durabilities, striking strengths, and the tier categories at the bottom of the pages, all need to be properly updated.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, all I'm doing is linking to a new calc, considering the High end, which is consistent with some Daemons being the size of star systems, is still Solar System level.
Anyways, I'll need all the profiles here unlocked: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User_blog:Assaltwaffle/Warhammer_40K:_Fodders_are_fu
Anyways, I'll need all the profiles here unlocked: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User_blog:Assaltwaffle/Warhammer_40K:_Fodders_are_fu
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That "Solar-system sized" demon feat is only done when the demons in question are in a realm where the concept of size doesn't exist. It doesn't scale.
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Not quite.
The realm has the concept of size. The quote says the daemons are what's unbound by size and that because of this, they can be as big as they choose to be, but it's a similar idea.
Said quote also had 4-A daemons. The 4-B Bloodthirster was in another part of the same book.
The realm has the concept of size. The quote says the daemons are what's unbound by size and that because of this, they can be as big as they choose to be, but it's a similar idea.
Said quote also had 4-A daemons. The 4-B Bloodthirster was in another part of the same book.
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Also might be worth noting that I went back to check in Castellan, and the Masque's feat would actually be lower-end 4-B as opposed to higher-end High 4-C, as the supernova caused was explicitly large enough to consume the whole system while moving at nearly the speed of light. There was also a warp shockwave which engulfed everything even before that.
"Crowe bore witness to Angriff going supernova. At first, the star flickered, the moment of its death a phenomenon utterly removed from the materium. The flicker was the stain of the empyrean. After the flicker came the blaze. Angriff shone more brightly than it ever had before. It seared the void with the brilliance of its pain.
The star exploded. Its outer layers expanded across the system, a sphere of absolute annihilation, swallowing the inner planets, erasing all trace of their existence, and the hundreds of billions of souls who had lived upon them. Civilisations that had endured for thirty thousand years only to be destroyed by the dance of the Masque now vanished even from memory.
A monster worse than the all-consuming fire raced ahead of the stellar material. It was a warp shockwave. It distorted space. It made the void bleed. The colours of the immaterium, screaming corruption and madness engulfed the system, one final cry of power from the daemonic engine. It arrived to consume every psychic life force in the system.
The warp wave overtook Angriff Primus. Crowe saw the first moments of the planet's final damnation, its transformation into a burning nightmare." - Castellan
Furthermore, looking back at Eye of Terror, the Rose Cluster is stated to be a relatively unremarkable globular cluster.
"The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the Cluster was unremarkable." - Eye of Terror
Globular clusters do not contain as few as "thousands" of stars (author was likely thinking of open clusters with the lower end). They are packing 10,000 at a minimum and can have up to several millio. The lowest result for the Rose Cluster would actually be using 10,000 stars, and even if it was a small globular cluster (which the story suggests it isn't), it would far more likely be packing 20,000+. Due to his confusion, I wouldn't say the author intended for the Rose Cluster to contain millions of stars, but if it was intended to be a globular cluster, 10,000 is the bare minimum, and tens of thousands is consistent with its description.
"Crowe bore witness to Angriff going supernova. At first, the star flickered, the moment of its death a phenomenon utterly removed from the materium. The flicker was the stain of the empyrean. After the flicker came the blaze. Angriff shone more brightly than it ever had before. It seared the void with the brilliance of its pain.
The star exploded. Its outer layers expanded across the system, a sphere of absolute annihilation, swallowing the inner planets, erasing all trace of their existence, and the hundreds of billions of souls who had lived upon them. Civilisations that had endured for thirty thousand years only to be destroyed by the dance of the Masque now vanished even from memory.
A monster worse than the all-consuming fire raced ahead of the stellar material. It was a warp shockwave. It distorted space. It made the void bleed. The colours of the immaterium, screaming corruption and madness engulfed the system, one final cry of power from the daemonic engine. It arrived to consume every psychic life force in the system.
The warp wave overtook Angriff Primus. Crowe saw the first moments of the planet's final damnation, its transformation into a burning nightmare." - Castellan
Furthermore, looking back at Eye of Terror, the Rose Cluster is stated to be a relatively unremarkable globular cluster.
"The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the Cluster was unremarkable." - Eye of Terror
Globular clusters do not contain as few as "thousands" of stars (author was likely thinking of open clusters with the lower end). They are packing 10,000 at a minimum and can have up to several millio. The lowest result for the Rose Cluster would actually be using 10,000 stars, and even if it was a small globular cluster (which the story suggests it isn't), it would far more likely be packing 20,000+. Due to his confusion, I wouldn't say the author intended for the Rose Cluster to contain millions of stars, but if it was intended to be a globular cluster, 10,000 is the bare minimum, and tens of thousands is consistent with its description.
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@Azzy
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David Annandale: I'll give the internet's 40k vs debaters a nice supernova feat to use.
>makes entire system explode at near light speed
>"supernova"
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>makes entire system explode at near light speed
>"supernova"
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So... Where in that quote is it stated to be near lightspeed?
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Here ya go.
"'Nine minutes!' Crowe voxed the bridge as he ran from the Tyndaris' teleporter pad. 'We have nine minutes to make the jump to the immaterium.' He did not know what the fused, eldritch palace would do to Angriff. But he could guess. Angriff Primus was nine light minutes away from the star. When the sun died, it would take that long for the effects of its death to reach the Tyndaris."
So the explosion would travel very close to (or at a maximum of) light speed, as it would reach a planet nine light minutes from its origin point in approximately nine minutes.
"'Nine minutes!' Crowe voxed the bridge as he ran from the Tyndaris' teleporter pad. 'We have nine minutes to make the jump to the immaterium.' He did not know what the fused, eldritch palace would do to Angriff. But he could guess. Angriff Primus was nine light minutes away from the star. When the sun died, it would take that long for the effects of its death to reach the Tyndaris."
So the explosion would travel very close to (or at a maximum of) light speed, as it would reach a planet nine light minutes from its origin point in approximately nine minutes.
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So it is a Lightspeed Supernova so no KE?
Also,come talk on your wall. I wanna talk to you about eldritch thingamabobs and dumb fantasy
Also,
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Obviously. It would be way higher if it wasn't that fast, which is why I said it's closer to baseline 4-B. It's an explosion that starts at the system's sun and consumes the whole thing.
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Matthew Schroeder said:
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Mine is shit too.
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You can also inform the Fandom staff via the following page: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact/general
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Shouldn't be too hard. Tens of thousands just become lower ends and that's it.
Going by well known globular clusters in the milky way, close by would be M15 (which is 100,000+ stars) and NGC 6397 (~400,000 stars), which could be good mid and high ends, respectively.
Going by well known globular clusters in the milky way, close by would be M15 (which is 100,000+ stars) and NGC 6397 (~400,000 stars), which could be good mid and high ends, respectively.
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So...
"The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the Cluster was unremarkable." - Eye of Terror
How does "Sometimes contained tens of thousands" become "tens of thousands at minimum"?
"The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the Cluster was unremarkable." - Eye of Terror
How does "Sometimes contained tens of thousands" become "tens of thousands at minimum"?
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Because, as I posted in my above comment, globular clusters contain 10,000 stars at absolute minimum. The author was likely confused. This is further supported by the fact that he refers to the Rose Cluster's size as "unremarkable", but the given size would make it one of if not the largest globular clusters known to exist.
Because, as I posted in my above comment, globular clusters contain 10,000 stars at absolute minimum. The author was likely confused. This is further supported by the fact that he refers to the Rose Cluster's size as "unremarkable", but the given size would make it one of if not the largest globular clusters known to exist.
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Eh, whatever.
Are you not getting notifications for your message wall talk? I wanna give you some crazy 40K feats.
Are you not getting notifications for your message wall talk? I wanna give you some crazy 40K feats.
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Just did. Lol
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The "Mark as Read" thing seemed to work, yeah.
The "Mark as Read" thing seemed to work, yeah.
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