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Warhammer 40K Discussion

Blackcurrant91 said:
I didnt know this thread was a thing somehow.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD. CUM FOR THE CUM THRONE.
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Okay now im just schitzoposting.
 
Liquid_Bigb0ss said:
Yeah I was mainly about the major tier revisions, and what the new scaling is gonna be
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Physical Tiers:
  1. Primarchs/Primarch Tier = High 8-C
  2. Daemon Primarchs = At least High 8-C
    1. Angron has At least High 8-C possibly 8-B+ durability thanks to one feat but it won't really scale to anyone beyond maybe a select few (Sanguinius is not one of them)
  3. Emps and Horus (depends on how their final show down goes for Horus) = At least High 8-C, possibly 8-B+ due to being superior to Daemon Primarchs
    1. possibly 8-B+ is debatable considering no one's supposed to scale to Angron's durability given how unreliable that feat kind of is but yeah
Psychic Tiers:
  1. Weaker Psykers = Varies up to 8-C/High 8-C depending on their feats
  2. Major Psykers (such as Ahriman) = Varies from 8-C/High 8-C to High 4-C scaling above no name psykers who can mess with stars
  3. Malcador = Varies from High 8-C (choking Horus) to High 4-C, likely higher (Scales far above guys like Ahriman given his status as 3rd strongest human psyker)
  4. Magnus = Varies from High 8-C to High 4-C likely far higher (Scales above Malcador)
  5. Emps = Varies from High 8-C to High 4-C/4-B (Scales above Magnus and depending on how the final book goes maybe the old 4-B statement where it said his laser was as strong as a supernova can still apply)
Eye of Terror Tiers:
  1. No name/Weak Greater Daemons = 4-B (The rose cluster feat and the bloodthirster growing to the size of a solar system)
  2. Daemon Primarchs and Corax = At least 4-B
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
True but it's the most reliable. I've been compiling some higher tier feats and uh... they literally vary like one every few tiers ranging from 8-A to high 6-C iirc and it's literally just one for each of those. There is no consistency. It sucks
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i mean the High 6C feat was from angron ascended deamon form so no other primarch should scale to that. Primarchs can grow in power with them realising their warp self like corvus
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
i mean the High 6C feat was from angron ascended deamon form so no other primarch should scale to that. Primarchs can grow in power with them realising their warp self like corvus
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Nah it was Leman and Magnus shaking Prospero, though that's kind of assuming it wasn't metaphorical and taking it at an extreme.

Also I'm assuming the feat with Angron you're talking about is him slamming through ships which that'd be a high 6-A feat at most iirc. Maybe lower if we change up that scaling also.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Nah it was Leman and Magnus shaking Prospero, though that's kind of assuming it wasn't metaphorical and taking it at an extreme.

Also I'm assuming the feat with Angron you're talking about is him slamming through ships which that'd be a high 6-A feat at most iirc. Maybe lower if we change up that scaling also.
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The shaking was probably literal rather than metaphorical. Warhammer isn't the only verse with varying feats. That doesn't mean we should take the lowest value for the characters we don't do that to other long lived verses with a lot of writers.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
The shaking was probably literal rather than metaphorical. Warhammer isn't the only verse with varying feats. That doesn't mean we should take the lowest value for the characters we don't do that to other long lived verses with a lot of writers.
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Thing is with Primarchs there’s literally no consistency with those feats. As of right now there’s a 8-A, a Low7-C, a 7-C, a 7-B, a High 6-C, and a High 6-B that I forgot about. Some of these are also dependent on random warp fuckery so they may not even be entirely valid

Pretty much every other feat they have is High 8-C so unless there’s more feats to come in the Lion book or something, it’s best to just keep it as that for now.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
tier 8 seems too low for the primarchs.
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Tbh, tier 8 seems too low for most of the named characters in general. But that’s just me and my bias. Just… feels weird to think that warhammer fantasy is stronger than 40k, or warhammer 40k characters are potentially weaker than StarCraft ones.

Tho my question is (even if I am certain there has been reason for this), why can’t 40k greater daemons scale to their fantasy versions, and anyone that scales to them scale to that level of power?
 
Liquid_Bigb0ss said:
Tbh, tier 8 seems too low for most of the named characters in general. But that’s just me and my bias. Just… feels weird to think that warhammer fantasy is stronger than 40k, or warhammer 40k characters are potentially weaker than StarCraft ones.

Tho my question is (even if I am certain there has been reason for this), why can’t 40k greater daemons scale to their fantasy versions, and anyone that scales to them scale to that level of power?
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Because it makes Crab/Holyhotsauce mad.
 
Liquid_Bigb0ss said:
Tho my question is (even if I am certain there has been reason for this), why can’t 40k greater daemons scale to their fantasy versions, and anyone that scales to them scale to that level of power?
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Fantasy is just better and more based.

40k is restricted by it's tech where mundane weaponry in Fantasy can be magical.

Bolters literally holding 40k back.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
True but it's the most reliable. I've been compiling some higher tier feats and uh... they literally vary like one every few tiers ranging from 8-A to high 6-C iirc and it's literally just one for each of those. There is no consistency. It sucks
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this is why we should 'varies from high 8-C to [tier 6 here]' for primarchs (y)
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
At most he’d be High 6-A cuz that’s Angron’s best recent feat iirc and 4-B scaling is only for the eye of terror or really warp saturated areas
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Even that would be fine. Though did the lion fight daemon angron physically or did he use other methods to fight him. Dark angels have the most destructive weapons of the Imperium.
 
Liquid_Bigb0ss said:
Tbh, tier 8 seems too low for most of the named characters in general. But that’s just me and my bias. Just… feels weird to think that warhammer fantasy is stronger than 40k, or warhammer 40k characters are potentially weaker than StarCraft ones.

Tho my question is (even if I am certain there has been reason for this), why can’t 40k greater daemons scale to their fantasy versions, and anyone that scales to them scale to that level of power?
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Fantasy being stronger isnt that surprising given how much more Warp tainted everything seemingly is, 40k hits those tier 6-tier 4 levels when Warp tainted space is involved which is basically all of Fantasy.

Also Starcraft seems to generally line up with 40k while having worse hax, sure 40k may not win every match up but it still wins plenty.
 
so the lion should scale to angron feat in the ark of omen book. He was dueling him on caliban 2.0 and banished him with a shieldbash.
 
I knew Big E’s shield would be the key to how Lion beat him.

How close was the duel? Did they at least not have Angron get schooled in a 1v1 fight for once?
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
lion fought without getting stomped like the dark angles
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Hmm im hoping Lion was honestly struggling and mostly on the back foot, I can accept him not being stomped given A) Hes a named Imperium character and B) Hes a loyalist primarch that just returned however I still want this to be the fight of his life.
 
AoS Scaling isn't solidified which is why there aren't any pages on it really. Once the scaling is figured out, it'll just be a part of the Fantasy page
 
Cropfist said:
Should Malum Caedo scale to the lords of change?
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Was making a profile for him and was questioning the same thing. Was thinking of making it entirely a weapons thing but at the same time he can "technically" harm lords of change and great unclean ones with his chainsword so ehhh.
 
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