WandaVision MCU Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

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"Wanda's mind control looks to be completely combat applicable, and we've gotten further and complete confirmation that everything Wanda makes actually exist in reality and is completely tangible even outside of her reality. She even puts up a entire damn forcefield surrounding westview partway through the episode.This is looking like reality Warping, Creation, Pocket dimension creation, and BFR."]

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah, I think a CRT will definitely be needed once this series ends in four weeks. The way things are escalating, I feel like more powers and feats are going to be demonstrated on top of what we've seen already. On a more mundane note, we know now that Wanda was born in 1989, so her age can be updated. As of the time WandaVision takes place, she should be 33-34 chronologically, or 28-29 biologically.

We've actually planned to do it with the release of this episode and as we've speculated in this thread things have pretty much been solidifed in terms of her abilities and how they interact in reality. Anything else that is further changed can definitely been added on as we proceed forward but for now there's more than enough to start a CRT.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Wanda's mind manip can now be quantified as being in the thousands which would in turn scale to mindstone users. Her reality warping is all completely real.

All of this warrants for a completely new key for Wanda. Woo, Rambeau, and Darcy have all acknowledged that her powers shown in this series are vastly more powerful than anything she's previously displayed.

 

[Dalesean027]

Wanda's mind manip can now be quantified as being in the thousands which would in turn scale to mindstone users. Her reality warping is all completely real.

All of this warrants for a completely new key for Wanda. Woo, Rambeau, and Darcy have all acknowledged that her powers shown in this series are vastly more powerful than anything she's previously displayed.

Even from the last 4 episodes we've literally gotten so much to warrant a change already but today's episode fully solidifies things had they not been previously

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

In terms of what this episode means for the plot...

Spoiler: Major WandaVision Episode 5 spoilers

Wanda is beginning to realize that her perfect world is starting to break and is now 100% aware of SWORD's actions, Vision is beginning to catch onto why he can't remember anything previous to the events of WandaVision, virtually everyone in the town of Westview is being mind haxxed to hell and back, Agnes is the one acting strangest of all, Tommy and Billy have self age manip, and Wanda may have possibly just resurrected + re-casted Quicksilver to his Fox counterpart and could be how Marvel intends to bring the Fox verse into the MCU.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

So far Wanda has gained...

• Pocket Reality manip
• Reality Warping
• Time manip
• Mind manip upgrade into the thousands
• Memory manip
• Transmutation
• BFR
• Forcefield manp
• Light Manip
• Radiation Manip
• Life manip
• Empathetic manip
• and likely Resurrection

 

[Dalesean027]

So far Wanda has gained...

• Pocket Reality manip
• Reality Warping
• Time manip
• Mind manip upgrade into the thousands
• Memory manip
• Transmutation
• BFR
• Forcefield manp
• Light Manip
• Radiation Manip
• Life manip
• Empathetic manip
• and likely Resurrection

This all seems to be right

 

[Dalesean027]

Should we begin the CRT

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

No, we need to gather clips. I'll do so later tonight or over the weekend.

 

[Dalesean027]

No, we need to gather clips. I'll do so later tonight or over the weekend.

Alright that sounds good I'll try myself, I've never started a CRT myself anywho but

Spoiler

"I do have the clip of Wanda coming out of Westview and using her Mind Manipulation on the S.W.O.R.D agents"]

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Oh yeah, Wanda also gets plot manipulation due to changing the setting every episode and even rolling the credits at the start of her argument with vision

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Man I hope Strange makes a statement in MoM comparing Wanda's AP to Dormammu's so we can get 2-C main cast already

 

[Dalesean027]

Man I hope Strange makes a statement in MoM comparing Wanda's AP to Dormammu's so we can get 2-C main cast already

Dang that'd be a hell of a jump

 

[InfiniteDay]

Dang that'd be a hell of a jump

2-C magic would be nice.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

2-C magic would be nice.

I'm still thinking that sudden power-boost Wanda has gotten is way too convenient.

That "deal-maker" theory might prove to be true imo

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

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Vision should get Mind Manipulation due to what happened with him and the indian guy

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Spoiler

Vision should get Mind Manipulation due to what happened with him and the indian guy

Already covered on her profile. Her mind manip affects the entire town as well.

 

[InfiniteDay]

I'm still thinking that sudden power-boost Wanda has gotten is way too convenient.

That "deal-maker" theory might prove to be true imo

I mean she is literally using CBR and Reality Warping instead of Telekinesis.

 

[Dalesean027]

I mean she is literally using CBR and Reality Warping instead of Telekinesis.

Might I add that it's pretty blatant shouldn't even be out to question when we've literally seen her do it throughout the entire series on her own as of this point.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Might I add that it's pretty blatant shouldn't even be out to question when we've literally seen her do it throughout the entire series on her own as of this point.

You can?

 

[Dalesean027]

That was rhetorical and I was trying to add on to your point on the comment you replied to

 

[InfiniteDay]

It's ok.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

I still think we should wait until the show ends.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Holy shit she recast Quicksilver LMFAO

Man, catching up to the show has been an amazing experience because Wanda's abilities were so unexpected for me. I know she pulls off much crazier things in the comics, but this was definitely a welcome addition to the MCU.

The new abilities I personally caught were Reality Warping (duh), Subjective Reality, radiation manipulation, Matter manipulation, time manipulation, age manipulation, Enhanced Mind Manipulation (affected an entire town, possibly thousands of people), Creation, Force Field creation, possibly Transmutation, and probably many more that I missed.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

• Pocket Reality Manipulation (the entire town of WestView is incased in a forcefield by Wanda in which she exerts near full control over time, minds of citizens, background setting, and town structures. Wanda is blatantly seen creating this.)
• Upgrade Wanda's Mind Manipulation (It was stated by the acting director of SWORD that the town of WestView consists of thousands of people in a clip that I'm unable to obtain right now. The Westview community sign as a listed population of 3892. Everyone in the town of Westview with the exception of a small few are under the effect of Mind Manipulation as shown by Vision here and revealed even further by Agatha in the finale). Wanda's Mind Manip also grants the following:

• Limited Memory Manipulation (Agent Woo stated that known relatives and associates are unable to even remember the existence of missing people in Westview. However, everyone working with SWORD was able to remember Monica Rambeau's existence and disappearance despite her being dragged into Westview.)
• Empathic Manipulation (Side effect of her Mind Manipulation)
• Dream Manipulation (After Agatha freed the townspeople from Wanda's mind manip they all pleaded to her, and in the process confessed the symptoms of her mind manip. They said they were able to share her dreams and nightmares.)
• Minor Memory Manipulation (Went into Agatha's memories of the witch trials)
• Possible Pain Manipulation (The townspeople also said they shared Wanda's pain, but this could just be her poetic pain of her tragedies.)

• Clairvoyance (Psychically scanned Vision and located the gum stuck in his body)
• Biological Manipulation (Hayward's computer data revealed that Monica had her cells re-written on a molecular level upon passing through the "hex")
• Limited Power Bestowal through Biological Manipulation (Upon passing through the hex for the third time, Monica gained powers)
• Radiation Manipulation (Darcy Lewis said her equipment picked up a high amount of Cosmic Background Radiation and with it came a broadcast frequency)
• Illusion Creation (Agatha stated Wanda was running illusions at the edge of town)
• Limited Power Nullification (Can cast the same protection spell as Agatha which can cast a spell through the use of runes that prevents the use of magic in a limited area except for the person who cast it)
• Weather Manipulation (Caused a thunderstorm)
• Power Absorption (Absorbed her magic back from Agatha after having it stolen)
• Teleportation (Here)
• Astral Projection (Read through the Darkhold in her astral form while also boiling tea)
• Extrasensory Perception (Sensed the pleas of her children)
• Transformation (After absorbing back her energy she transformed into the Scarlet Witch. Wanda had a vision of this outfit and Agatha Harkness seemed to instantly recognize it as the Scarlet Witch appearance)
• Reality Warping and Plot Manipulation which provides the following:

- Time Manipulation (Rewinds time to make sure events never happen. Rewinds time on a turkey and turns it back into a basket of unhatched eggs)​

- Transmutation (Turned a piano into a cardboard picture. She also instantly changes her clothes several times. Each episode the current era of the sitcom changes and along with it the furniture, house designs, and building structures. Instantly transmutes anything that falls into the pocket reality.)​

- BFR (Teleports Geraldine from behind stage into the wardrobe)​

- Creation (Created wedding rings out of thin air)​

- Air Manipulation (Summoned a gust of wind to dry off)​

- Light Manipulation (Changes the color of the pocket reality from black and white to normal real world colors.)​

- Life Manipulation (Impregnates herself at the end of episode 2 and rapidly speeds up her pregnancy in episode 3. In the same episode she turns a painting of a stork into a real one and also changes a ceiling hangar with fake butterflies into a swarm of real butterflies.)​

- Technology Manipulation and Metal Manipulation (Entirely recreated Vision with all his powers, appearance, and personality. She only failed to replicate his memories.)​

- Makes the "credits" roll when she gets into an argument with Vision in an attempt to end it.​

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Resistance to the following:​

Mind Manipulation (After Agatha took control over their encounter in Agatha's mind, Wanda was able to snap out and leave Agatha's mind)​

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To be added to her FIRST KEY due to being abilities she's had all along:​

- Magic (Agatha described her powers as "Magic on autopilot")​

- Chaos Manipulation (Her psionics are chaos magic as described by Agatha)​

- Probability Manipulation (Implied to have caused several unlikely traffic occurrences in a row such as multiple red lights, construction stops, and children walking groups to slow down Vision's return to home. Used Probability Manipulation as a child to stop the bomb that landed in the rubble of her home)​

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

She should also get Age Manipulation for rapidly aging up her kids (though it's kinda weird because she implied they have control over aging themselves)

 

[KieranH10]

Wanda doesn't seem to be aging the children since she seems genuinely surprised by them growing so fast. It doesn't seem like something she's controlling.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, she shouldn't get Age Manipulation yet. (Not that she needs it when she has Time Manipulation).

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Wanda doesn't seem to be aging the children since she seems genuinely surprised by them growing so fast. It doesn't seem like something she's controlling.

Well, to be fair, she gets seemingly surprised over a lot of the bizarre happenings in WestView, but as Vision pointed out in the latest episode it's probably all just an act.

Still, It's probably best to wait until we fully understand what's going on before making a final judgment.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Tommy and Billy seem to be aging on their own though. It seems its just completely their doing.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I can't find the direct clip of the director saying thousands, only the line where he says she's taken a entire town hostage. But yeah tommy and Billy were literally said by Wanda to be aging themselves up.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Tommy and Billy seem to be aging on their own though. It seems its just completely their doing.

I think you could be onto something here, because Agnes also mentioned that "You can't control kids no matter how hard you try", Wanda failed to put them to sleep, and Vision mentioned that there are no children in the town.
It seems like Wanda can't control children for whatever reason.

 

[Dalesean027]

that's something we should definitely be waiting on though, we don't have much choice but to wait anyway because mysteriously after Vision says that we know kids appear in westview to some extent because of the Halloween episode previews marvel has dipped into the trailers

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, ofc we should wait. I'm just speculating at this point.

 

[InfiniteDay]

There is a population chart of Westview in the first episode.

 

[InfiniteDay]

(It also has a population of 3892)

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

(It also has a population of 3892)

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I knew I had zoomed in on the billboard yesterday to look at something but I forgot what it was.

Wanda's mindhax is around the 4 thousands.

 

[OwenVaunman]

Spoiler

Vision should get Mind Manipulation due to what happened with him and the indian guy

Spoiler

I think Vision should probably have resistance to mind manip and mind manip negation for that.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Spoiler

I think Vision should probably have resistance to mind manip and mind manip negation for that.

More like he was manipulating the frequency inside the man's head, overlapping the CBR signal.

 

[OwenVaunman]

Should Wanda get technology manip. since she was able to disable the drone with Some hex looking thing