WandaVision MCU Spoiler Discussion Thread

[ArkhamDC06]

Tbf unless you're supremely powerful, more or less everyone would be begging for their life against Wanda.

Anyway, looks like Agatha's gonna be put to "Unknown".

 

[Dalesean027]

Tbf unless you're supremely powerful, more or less everyone would be begging for their life against Wanda.

lol fair enough

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

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Magic in the Verse edit | edit source​

There is magic in the MCU, it deals with extra-dimensional energy and quantum mechanics. All of Asgard is powered by the magical Odinforce. The Sorcerer Supreme's job is to train students in learning magic and defending Earth from mystical threats such as Dormammu."

This is most definitely going to need to be updated as well as well talking about Hax of characters or beings in the verse

Yeah, Wandavision has definately increased the standard of hax and magic we saw in the MCU

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Spoiler

I'm going to be honest for a second, I get that MCU fans building theories on how the finale will have Reed Richards and Doctor Strange and the X-Men and Mephisto and Waluigi were setting themselves up for disapointment. But I did NOT understand why they used Quicksilver for a joke on Penises. That was pretty awful and likely the worst of MCU humor in the series. They should have used the theory that Agatha got Quicksilver from the X-Men universe and brought him to the MCU setting up the multiverse and the X-Men reboot

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Something I don't understand, where does the Mephisto theory came from?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Something I don't understand, where does the Mephisto theory came from?

The comics, in the comics the 2 kids and Wanda had interactions with Mephisto.

Along with Bettany saying there would be a "skywalker level cameo" which made people think of Mephisto, as he is one of the biggest villains in the comics

 

[Dalesean027]

Spoiler

I'm going to be honest for a second, I get that MCU fans building theories on how the finale will have Reed Richards and Doctor Strange and the X-Men and Mephisto and Waluigi were setting themselves up for disapointment. But I did NOT understand why they used Quicksilver for a joke on Penises. That was pretty awful and likely the worst of MCU humor in the series. They should have used the theory that Agatha got Quicksilver from the X-Men universe and brought him to the MCU setting up the multiverse and the X-Men reboot

Agreed

Something I don't understand, where does the Mephisto theory came from?

And it's because of Billy and Tommy's comic origins as pieces of mephisto

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Also, considering the fan reactions to the wandavision finale due to fan theories, I got a MASSIVE feeling that if there is no spider-verse as the plot for Spider-Man 3, the fandom will melt down.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Alright. I'll admit, I would have loved to see Mephisto but he could be introduced into Doctor Strange 2 (him or Nightmare). Even if not, I hope the movie will bring some seriously "disturbing" aspects of the Multiverse, with Dormmamu-like entities and more magical elements.

Back to the topic, Wanda will get a tabber for her powers as the Scarlet Witch/for her magical powers right?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Back to the topic, Wanda will get a tabber for her powers as the Scarlet Witch/for her magical powers right

Yeah, I think that's the best way to handle it.

 

[Dalesean027]

It's just been

tabber

is that like a key or something? idk that terminology

 

[Gitagon]

Also, considering the fan reactions to the wandavision finale due to fan theories, I got a MASSIVE feeling that if there is no spider-verse as the plot for Spider-Man 3, the fandom will melt down.

Yeah lol, neither Garfield nor Tobey is confirmed yet people act as if they are absolutely going to be in the movie.

 

[OwenVaunman]

It's just been

is that like a key or something? idk that terminology

I think they mean one of the things you click on in powers and abilities that you can see by clicking on a tab

 

[Dalesean027]

I think they mean one of the things you click on in powers and abilities that you can see by clicking on a tab

Oooh okay thanks

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Oooh okay thanks

Pretty much that. For example, the Thanos profile has one with his own abilities and the abilities he has from the Gauntlet.

Agatha's profile is almost ready for me (I mean, I'm preparing one as a document on my computer) but I would need speed and durability at least (AP and Striking Class are gonna be Unknown I believe).

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Spoiler: Agatha Harkness Abilities

• Energy Manipulation
• Magic
• Either Longevity or Immortality Type 1 (likely the former. has been alive since the late 1600s.)
• Flight (shown here.)
• Telekinesis (Shown here. Also closed the door without even touching it. Lifted up several SWORD agents.)
• Unholy Manipulation (Practiced the dark arts.)
• Absorption (Energy, Life, Power, and Magic based. After absorbing her clan's magic blasts they began to die within seconds. Also shown here and here. Controlled Wanda's chaos magic after absorbing a blast. Absorbed several of Wanda's blasts in the final fight. However it does appear she needs the target to actually use their energy in order to absorb it.)
• Power Bestowal (Gave Ralph Bohner a necklace that gave him Superhuman Speed.)
• Limited Power Nullification (Can cast a spell through the use of runes that prevents the use of magic in a limited area except for the person who cast it.)
• Transmutation (Turned a fly into a bird and blatantly called it transmutation.)
• Summoning (Summoned the Darkhold out of thin air.)
• Teleportation (Shown here. Also shown in episode 8 when she teleports out of a room.)
• Purification (Undid Wanda's mind manipulation on the townspeople.)
• Clairvoyance (Was able to see and hear through Fake Pietro.)
• Minor Memory Manipulation (Explored through Wanda's memories with her throughout episode 8)
• Telepathy (Read Wanda's mind at the end of episode 7 and gained access to her memories throughout episode 8.)
• Mind Manipulation (Manipulated the mind of a fly. Also used mind manipulation on "Herb")
• Resistance to the following:

Telepathy (Wanda was unable to read her mind) and Mind Manipulation (Completely unaffected by the Westview Anomaly's affects on the mind.)

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

That's all I can find for now for Agatha. If I missed anything lmk.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

That's all I can find for now for Agatha. If I missed anything lmk.

No, you pretty much nailed it I think. Great job!

 

[Dalesean027]

That all looks good. The only other thing I can think of is possibly necromancy but at the same time that's also probably not something she should have even though the reason she said the reason she can't resort to it is because the body isn't there so she couldn't revive it and because of the condition of it, so yeah necromancy wasn't really displayed or like further given context so I think everything looks good.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

what about power bestowal didn`t she gave super speed to that guy in the attic

 

[Dalesean027]

what about power bestowal didn`t she gave super speed to that guy in the attic

Yeah that as well

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

That all looks good. The only other thing I can think of is possibly necromancy but at the same time that's also probably not something she should have even though the reason she said the reason she can't resort to it is because the body isn't there so she couldn't revive it and because of the condition of it, so yeah necromancy wasn't really displayed or like further given context so I think everything looks good.

Maybe a "Possibly Necromancy" rating?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Oops yeah, I forgot about that. I can't believe they used Evan Peters as a boner joke.

 

[Dalesean027]

Limited though because it was only through the necklace

 

[Dalesean027]

I can't believe they used Evan Peters as a boner joke.

We don't speak of such crimes

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Okay I fixed the power bestowal.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I'm not sure if the limited part is necessary. Having abilities through an item doesn't always exactly make it a limited ability. Especially if we're lacking context behind how she did it.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

That's all I can find for now for Agatha. If I missed anything lmk.

Clairvoyance:Was able to hear through FakeSilver
Memory Manipulation: Episode 8
Thread Manipulation: Created magic constructed ropes

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, it's really the only thing that TRULY disappointed me about the show. The joke wasn't even that funny, and it's just such a waste. Evan's Quicksilver could've had SO MUCH potential in the MCU.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

When exactly did she display Clairvoyance?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

When exactly did she display Clairvoyance?

Edited.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Constructing a string like shape out of energy isn't qualification for thread manipulation going off of the actual page for thread mainp. Doctor Strange also has the same string like constructs and he doesn't have thread manipulation.

The memory manip page only references feats of memories actually being manipulated and changed. All they did through episode 8 was recap and relive. Nothing indicates the memories themselves were being manipulated.

I'll add clairvoyance.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Constructing a string like shape out of energy isn't qualification for thread manipulation going off of the actual page for thread mainp. Doctor Strange also has the same string like constructs and he doesn't have thread manipulation.

Then that's an ability missing for Doctor Strange.

The memory manip page only references feats of memories actually being manipulated and changed. All they did through episode 8 was recap and relive. Nothing indicates the memories themselves were being manipulated.

Mental manipulation - Affecting memory through the consciousness/mind. Allows managing memory in a variety of ways (comprehending, modifying, deleting existing memories, as well as creating new memories). This also includes modification of memory by controlling the electrochemical signals of the brain.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Oops I was thinking of the dream manip page, not the memory manip page. My bad.

No, it's not an ability missing for strange. He's not performing thread manipulation so he shouldn't get thread manipulation. Neither should Agatha.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Quicksilver in general could have been great in the MCU and I shall never forgive Whedon for killing him.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Then that's an ability missing for Doctor Strange.

They're not really manipulating threads, they're simply shaping their energy into threads, which I guess is an application of their Energy manipulation/projection.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Spoiler: Billy Maximoff Abilities

• Age Manipulation (Self Aged himself.)
• Telekinesis (Stopped a bullet in thin air.)
• Clairevoyance and minor Precognition (Sensed Vision was in trouble in episode 6. Sensed that Wanda was about to accidentally attack innocents moments before it actually occurred.)
• Mind Manipulation (Mind paused SWORD soldiers before they could shoot.)
• Resistance to Magic (Wanda's magic wouldn't work on them.)

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Spoiler: Tommy Maximoff Abilities

• Age Manipulation (Self Aged himself.)
• Superhuman Speed (Shown here and several other times in the series.)
• Afterimage Creation (See the above)
• Resistance to Magic (Wanda's magic wouldn't work on them.)

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Spoiler: Billy Maximoff Abilities

• Age Manipulation (Self Aged himself.)
• Telekinesis (Stopped a bullet in thin air.)
• Clairevoyance and minor Precognition (Sensed Vision was in trouble in episode 6. Sensed that Wanda was about to accidentally attack innocents moments before it actually occurred.)
• Resistance to Magic (Wanda's magic wouldn't work on them.)

Mind Manipulation.

And pretty sure he's also an empath. He stated that Agatha felt "quiet", unlike Wanda.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

He never displayed mind manip. You could infer that he has telepathy though, but he only has a vague statement directed towards agatha.