WalpurgisNacht Upgrade

[SomebodyData]

Wait what?

Walpurgis was never mentioned to be defeated in timeline 1 or even 2 actually.

 

[SomebodyData]

Bump

 

[Nsmch]

Wait what?
Walpurgis was never mentioned to be defeated in timeline 1 or even 2 actually.

Maybe just rewatch, I don't know how to explain. Weather was calming down, sky was clear, city was damaged after a battle, Homura was alive. She would obviously be dead if Walpurgis kept going. And she would never try to beat Walpurgis by herself, if Madoka couldn't(before she could one shot it).

 

[Kaltias]

Homura does try even if she knows that she can't win tho. And Madoka and Mami together are killed by WN during the first timeline, so she knows it

 

[SomebodyData]

@Nsmch That just be Walpurgis leaving the city. You know, to continue her trail of destruction.

 

[Nsmch]

Homura does try even if she knows that she can't win tho. And Madoka and Mami together are killed by WN during the first timeline, so she knows it

In first timeline Madoka could finish Walpurgis at the cost of her life. That's why Homura is well and uninjured. In second and next timelines Madoka is stronger so she is alive but used her all powers to finish Walpurgis and became a witch. Dying in first timeline and becoming a witch in next timelines while Walpurgis is still alive don't make any sense. At all.

 

[SomebodyData]

1. Thats never actually confirmed or even mentioned, heck you actually see WN still flying in the first timeline while Madoka is dying.

2. That's also never mentioned

She doesn't become a witch til the second timeline, but only in the fourth timeline is where she is shown one shotting base Walpurgisnacht.

For the first two timelines, that's just speculation.

Wait, why does this even matter? We see Walpurgis destroy the city regardless of the timeline anyways... (With the only exceptions being when Madoka becomes a witch.)

 

[Kaltias]

Madoka doesn't become a witch before timeline 4 tho. She dies during 1 and 2, from what I recall you can even see WN flying while Madoka is dead during timeline 1.

And nobody is saying that she becomes a witch while WN is alive, she transforms after killing it

 

[Nsmch]

1. Thats never actually confirmed or even mentioned, heck you actually see WN still flying in the first timeline while Madoka is dying.

Wrong. Walpurgis is shown before Madoka's last attack. Then Homura's making contract, Walpurgis is dead just like in shown timelines 2,3,4.

Madoka doesn't become a witch before timeline 4 tho. She dies during 1 and 2, from what I recall you can even see WN flying while Madoka is dead during timeline 1.
And nobody is saying that she becomes a witch while WN is alive, she transforms after killing it

Wrong again, she became a small witch in a second timeline. As I said rewatch 10th episode or second movie. I don't really want to prove anything, you just forgot the details.

 

[Kaltias]

Burden of proof that Madoka defeats WN before the third timeline is on you.

Also when Homura forms her contract, stuff is really not fine (like Madoka being dead)

 

[Nsmch]

The weather/environment in timelines 1,2,3(after walpurgis is dead) is shown just like in timeline 4 when Walpurgis got one shotted(and that was actually mentioned). Considering that Homura got 0 damage in timelines 1,2 , Madoka cared about everything by her own with Mami's help.

Homura doesn't really care about anything except Madoka. She was fine to burn the world with Madoka together as witches in 3rd timeline.

The rest is your own interpretation as you wish.

 

[Kaltias]

This doesn't prove that it was dead tho. Nothing prevented WN from simply flying away because the city was destroyed.

Also Homura did cared for the others at first.

 

[Nsmch]

The rest is your own interpretation as you wish.

 

[SomebodyData]

....mate, you do realize how completely different the environment/weather are?...

 

[Nsmch]

1 screen - Madoka has became a world destroyer witch, 2 - she is just dead. Otherwise the are very similar(Walpurgis is dead in both)

Yeah, Walpurgis can just fly away, but that doesn't expain how Homura excapes from everything without any injures(she was in a freaking epicenter of the fight and she wasn't even a magical girl yet).

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes, but both screens are completely different in appearance, the only witch here with weather manipulation is Walpurgis, and the weather is different in the one time she is confirmed dead.

Pretty sure its plot, especially since the exact same thing happens when Madoka becomes a magical girl in the last episode.

 

[Nsmch]

it's all the same in every timeline, the only difference Madoka becomes a witch or not

 

[SomebodyData]

You referring to the environment / weather? Because I just showed how completely different they are, between the earlier timeline's strange color for water, ashes falling from the sky, the significantly more amount of clouds, etc. (The only similarity is the overall destruction and the city being drowned, although it seems the battle between Walpurgis and Madoka in the fourth timeline did significant more damage and managed to bury the city under water, whereas the other one was only a few inches deep.)

 

[SomebodyData]

I believe this can be implemented now.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.