Wally West vs Bill Cipher | 0-0-0

[Brogeefrong]

chuuuup
Rebirth Wally is used and is 1-B (12-D)
Physical Form Bill is used and is 1-B (12-D)
Weirdmageddon has started
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in a void
Profiles

Flash (Wally West) (Rebirth)

Wally West is The Flash, the fastest man in the multiverse.[1] Formerly the protégé and successor of Barry Allen, he was trapped in the Speed Force for years, with the world forgetting his history until his metaphorical "rebirth." Tier: Varies with speed, up to 2-C, higher with Speed Steal. 1-B...

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Bill Cipher

Bill Cipher is a triangular dream demon who exists in the Mind/Dreamscape and the true antagonist of Gravity Falls, secretly being responsible for many of the most important events of and leading up to the show. Years ago, Bill made contact with Stanford "Ford" Pines, posing as a muse who...

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[Chanimate]

Following. Busy rn, will contribute later

 

[Brogeefrong]

What does Wally normally start with?

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

What does Wally normally start with?

I have no idea, but Bill will probably start with a ray that will disassemble Wally at the molecular level. But either way I don't see anything that can bypass Bill's Low-God regeneration or his mindscape form and nothing against surviving Bill's insane haxs.
Bill Cipher Fra

 

[Robo432343]

something something speed steal

 

[ThanatosX]

something something speed steal

That seems to be just Infinite Speed. Given that Bill have Immeasurable speed, I don't see how that would help.
But this seems to be a very outdated match. Bill doesn't even have a Low 2-C key anymore, plus Flash doesn't seem to even have the NPI necessary to interact with the AE Type 1 of the Mindscape form of Bill, which would be necessary for him to destroy him.
Bill just seems to stomp easily now.

 

[Robo432343]

That seems to be just Infinite Speed. Given that Bill have Immeasurable speed, I don't see how that would help.

because speed is equalized
wally would gain speed while bill's speed is stolen and wouldn't be able to move

But this seems to be a very outdated match. Bill doesn't even have a Low 2-C key anymore, plus Flash doesn't seem to even have the NPI necessary to interact with the AE Type 1 of the Mindscape form of Bill, which would be necessary for him to destroy him.

would wally interacting with type 2 concepts work

but if he can't interact with ae 1 then yh bill probably stomps

 

[ThanatosX]

because speed is equalized
wally would gain speed while bill's speed is stolen and wouldn't be able to move

Unless I am missing something, according to this page, Time Steal seems to be a speed increase in which the user see time as frozen rather than actually stealing the speed of the opponent. If it was that, than the Flash page is pretty lacking since that would be Statistics Reduction or something like this, which I can't find in his page.

would wally interacting with type 2 concepts work

but if he can't interact with ae 1 then yh bill probably stomps

Bill's AE is reliant on him being an idea rather than a concept, so I don't think that it would be enough to interact with him. But someone more expert than me in this things can correct me, if that's not the case.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

because speed is equalized
wally would gain speed while bill's speed is stolen and wouldn't be able to move

How would you steal or downgrade speed to Immeasurable speed? Unless you have proof that it can steal the speed of characters at that level, otherwise, I see and think it would be a Limitless Fallacy.

Would wally interacting with type 2 concepts work

I didn't find anything about this in your profile

 

[Robo432343]

Unless I am missing something, according to this page, Time Steal seems to be a speed increase in which the user see time as frozen rather than actually stealing the speed of the opponent.

no, the profile is just bad

it even says on his profile
"Wally can absorb the speed, kinetic energy and momentum from anyone or anything, adding them to his own. In addition to being able to slow the targets down, he is also able to immobilize them indefinitely, making them frozen like statues. This technique can be used to stop projectiles in midair."

Bill's AE is reliant on him being an idea rather than a concept, so I don't think that it would be enough to interact with him.

Wally interacting with the concept of death mean isn't enough to interact with AE????

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Wally interagindo com o conceito de morte significa que não é o suficiente para interagir com AE????

It depends on the type of type, you just saying this could very well be interpreted as type 2, which proves nothing.

 

[Robo432343]

How would you steal or downgrade speed to Immeasurable speed?

just like how someone with immeasurable speed can be faster than someone who also has immeasurable speed

Unless you have proof that it can steal the speed of characters at that level,

are you saying someone with immeasurable speed can't steal the speed of someone who also has immeasurable speed? why???

I didn't find anything about this in your profile

Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis)

Keystone is under the protection of a man who can throw haymakers like machine-gun fire... who can create cyclones with a wave of his arm... who can outrun gravity. Keystone is my city.Wally West Wally West, better known as The Flash is a member of the Justice League and the former sidekick and...

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[Chanimate]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but i don’t think we can do this anymore. Bill is now Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. I believe there is a Flash key who is Low 1-C, but I’d have to double check

 

[Robo432343]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but i don’t think we can do this anymore. Bill is now Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. I believe there is a Flash key who is Low 1-C, but I’d have to double check

i just realized we're using Wally who is 6-D and Bill who is 5-D now

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

just like how someone with immeasurable speed can be faster than someone who also has immeasurable speed

are you saying someone with immeasurable speed can't steal the speed of someone who also has immeasurable speed? why???

Why should one assume that he can steal speed with immeasurable speed just because he has that speed?? Without any feat or anything like that??? Not to mention that the Absorption Profile says exactly "The specifics of which energy the user can absorb vary from individual to individual."


besides that he would only steal the speed of the physical body, so even if he stole Bill's speed and destroyed his physical body he would only regenerate. (but Bill can use his haxs without even needing to move, so it is possible that Bill will win even if his speed is stolen, lol)

 

[Chanimate]

i just realized we're using Wally who is 6-D and Bill who is 5-D

Oh. Then unless bill out haxes in some way, with all the previous arguments accounted for, it’s just a win for Wally then, correct?

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis)

Keystone is under the protection of a man who can throw haymakers like machine-gun fire... who can create cyclones with a wave of his arm... who can outrun gravity. Keystone is my city.Wally West Wally West, better known as The Flash is a member of the Justice League and the former sidekick and...

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this is not the version of Wally used in the thread

 

[ThanatosX]

no, the profile is just bad

it even says on his profile
"Wally can absorb the speed, kinetic energy and momentum from anyone or anything, adding them to his own. In addition to being able to slow the targets down, he is also able to immobilize them indefinitely, making them frozen like statues. This technique can be used to stop projectiles in midair."

Than the profile is pretty bad, tbh. Anyways, what stops Bill from just snapping his fingers before he do that, given that this doesn't seem a opening move from Flash? And on top of that, he doesn't even seem to have anything to actually destroy him, so what stop Bill from using one of his haxes that doesn't require him to move?

Wally interacting with the concept of death mean isn't enough to interact with AE????

Interacting with a concept isn't the same as interacting with a idea, especially a idea in the Gravity Falls verse which is defined as something "fictional", if I remember correctly from the article in the website.

Regardless, I think this is a stomp for Bill, so I will not comment any further here.

 

[Robo432343]

this is not the version of Wally used in the thread

dude read the profiles

"Should retain his Pre-Flashpoint abilities and possess his prior Resistances dueto being the same character and possessing an even greater connection to the Speed Force."

this match doesn't even work anyway

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

dude read the profiles

"Should retain his Pre-Flashpoint abilities and possess his prior Resistances dueto being the same character and possessing an even greater connection to the Speed Force."

this match doesn't even work anyway

You could have at least talked about the same flash instead of just throwing the Profile

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Oh. Then unless bill out haxes in some way, with all the previous arguments accounted for, it’s just a win for Wally then, correct?

Couldn't Bill use his Dimensional Manipulation? And I'd like to see if it would be a 6D existence or just tier 1-C

 

[Chanimate]

Couldn't Bill use his Dimensional Manipulation?

Probably

 

[Brogeefrong]

well now their both 1-B so now ill use them at that level