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Villain Sues having a spat

Bazz got one shot by Shikai Yamamoto. Arguing he scales to him at all because
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he survived the fire is just dishonest.

At best its just heat scaling. Bazz B does not scale to a shikai Yamamoto at all.
Heat scaling would be ap scaling here.

Should also know, when he offset it is was after he was already burning because Yama blitzed him with his fire. So any DMG he took came from the fact Yama fired before he could react meaning if he did react right away with burning full fingers Bazz B wouldn't get hurt at all. So this whole he took DMG things stems from being blitzed
 
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Heat scaling would be ap scaling here.

Should also know, when he offset it is was after he was already burning because Yama blitzed him with his fire. So any DMG he took came from the fact Yama fired before he could react meaning if he did react right away with burning full fingers Bazz B wouldn't get hurt at all. So this whole he took DMG things stems from being blitzed
He got blitzed by Shikai Yama but somehow scales to him in AP...

Reiryoku pertains to all stats, if he is weaker in speed stands to reason he's weaker in AP.

Heat isn't necessarily AP in fiction at all, especially here when Yama's sheer AP completely one shotted bazz b, which you didn't debunk at all. Him not getting burnt alive after being hit by an attack isn't a feat.
 
Exactly what the definition says? This isn't so complex we need a multi page semantics debate, who are you, Deagonx..
It's pretty simple. Yama's flames were canceled out by Bazz B's flames. Which implies they would have to be of similar ap 🗿
Bazz B and his friends were one shotted by Shikai Yama. They don't scale because they didn't die
If he offset his flames how is that a one shot
Yamamoto using lots of preperation to create fire ro seal Aizen isn't an anti feat.

Yeah I'm sorry your bazz b scales, to put it bluntly, are very out there to say the least.
Prove I'm out there by winning the discussion
I feel like the problems in the scale are very apparent, hence why it's not accepted and I don't feel a need to give a very in depth response.
No it's to protect Aizen and Yama's character. If you cancel out an ap attack with another ap attack it scales. Y'all be taking all these cuts and corners to fight against that simple fact. Canceled out ap with ap equals said attack scales. Anybody who says otherwise is trying to save Yamamoto face
 
He got blitzed by Shikai Yama but somehow scales to him in AP...
Because he's being engulfed by his heat which Bazz B responded with his own
Reiryoku pertains to all stats, if he is weaker in speed stands to reason he's weaker in AP.
Orihime is Yhwach tier gotcha
Heat isn't necessarily AP in fiction at all, especially here when Yama's sheer AP completely one shotted bazz b, which you didn't debunk at all. Him not getting burnt alive after being hit by an attack isn't a feat.
How did he get one shot if he could use his attack to stop his attack. Did his unconscious body active burner fingers?
 
No it's to protect Aizen and Yama's character. If you cancel out an ap attack with another ap attack it scales. Y'all be taking all these cuts and corners to fight against that simple fact. Canceled out ap with ap equals said attack scales. Anybody who says otherwise is trying to save Yamamoto face
Yama's flames were canceled out by Bazz B's flames. Which implies they would have to be of similar ap
Non sequitur that's contradicted by feats. Putting out the remnants a flame that one shotted you.

This is ridiculously dishonest and is a complete derail. Yk my discord we can debate this there. This is just notion profiles at all. I'm not writing walls to entertain this ridiculously dishonest argument.
 
Non sequitur that's contradicted by feats. Putting out the remnants a flame that one shotted you.

This is ridiculously dishonest and is a complete derail. Yk my discord we can debate this there. This is just notion profiles at all. I'm not writing walls to entertain this ridiculously dishonest argument.
Concession. I'm fine with it since ap won't help Aizen win since all they have to do is not look at his sword and since Reiryoku equals speed and Ap here Yhwach messes Aizen up before he messes his sternritter up. Plus Gremmy can survive being cleaved. Bfr
 
Concession. I'm fine with it since ap won't help Aizen win since all they have to do is not look at his sword and since Reiryoku equals speed and Ap here Yhwach messes Aizen up before he messes his sternritter up. Plus Gremmy can survive being cleaved. Bfr
It's not a concession nerd. I'm just saying continue the debate elsewhere because it has no place here.

Aizen just cuts gremmy's head off and destroys his brain where his core is. Yhwach can't stop Aizen from swinging his sword and onetapping his whole army.
 
^ Only works CQC and thus wouldn't stop a kido or air pressure from sword attacks.

The forcefield is just not big enough to protect all the sternritter
 
It's not a concession nerd. I'm just saying continue the debate elsewhere because it has no place here.

Aizen just cuts gremmy's head off and destroys his brain where his core is.
Right because Aizen knows about Gremmy and how to appropriately dispatch him. You are also implying Aizen is bloodlusted and would immediately start massacring his entire force physically when it's more likely he would want to KS that many targets. Also it's pretty stupid on Aizen to for this tactic. He doesn't know if cutting them like Giselle has any negative benefits. Far more in character for him to use KS to figure out their abilities.

Gremmy EE GG. Since ppl here agree he could always do that but Kenpachi put him into competitive mindset
Yhwach can't stop Aizen from swinging his sword and onetapping his whole army.
Unless he's slower than Aizen then yes he can stop some of the deaths
 
Yhwach isn't shown using Sklaverei at all. No reason to assume hed use it IC at all (also since he's the unique quincy type that focuses on sharing power rather than stealing, he likely can't even use it).
He knows who to sacrifice.
Like who? Aizen can kill
Right because Aizen knows about Gremmy and how to appropriately dispatch him. You are also implying Aizen is bloodlusted and would immediately start massacring his entire force physically when it's more likely he would want to KS that many targets. Also it's pretty stupid on Aizen to for this tactic. He doesn't know if cutting them like Giselle has any negative benefits. Far more in character for him to use KS to figure out their abilities.

Gremmy EE GG.
Aizen is going to attack his opponents lmao. He's going to sense they're complete fodder and just oneshot them, Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu is a strategy he employs, he also uses pure brute force as stated by Gin.

Giselle's blood is less effective due to the large Reiatsu gap between her and Aizen, Giselles zombification is stated to be weaker on more powerful opponents. Aizen would just no sell it.

Gremmy's EE wouldn't kill Aizen due to mid godly, and Aizen slashing his sword is faster than Yhwach's summoning (which BTW, why're we assuming that Yhwach summons all of them when he's only shown summoning a select few, he doesn't even use Gremmy at all because he thinks he's too dangerous. Yhwach in character would never let Gremmy loose).
 
Aizen is going to attack his opponents lmao. He's going to sense they're complete fodder and just oneshot them, Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu is a strategy he employs, he also uses pure brute force as stated by Gin.
An army that large nah. They're a bigger threat than the gotei who he used it on lol.
Giselle's blood is less effective due to the large Reiatsu gap between her and Aizen, Giselles zombification is stated to be weaker on more powerful opponents. Aizen would just no sell it.
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Gremmy's EE wouldn't kill Aizen due to mid godly, and Aizen slashing his sword is faster than Yhwach's summoning (which BTW, why're we assuming that Yhwach summons all of them when he's only shown summoning a select few, he doesn't even use Gremmy at all because he thinks he's too dangerous. Yhwach in character would never let Gremmy loose).
Idk dude everyone is implying he fights everyone at once off the bat
 
An army that large nah. They're a bigger threat than the gotei who he used it on lol.

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Idk dude everyone is implying he fights everyone at once off the bat
Yhwach isn't summoning the entire army ic. He's only shown summoning a couple soldat and the elite. Aizen soul crushes all the soldat anyway
 
Not Yhwach, the Sternritter.

Yhwach can sacrifice the fodder, i.e., half of the Sternritter.
They can't kill Aizen with Sklaverei and Aizen just oneshots them before they do it.

Yhwach sacrificing fodder with auschwalen leaves him vulnerable as he has to cast the incantation
 
Yhwach isn't summoning the entire army ic. He's only shown summoning a couple soldat and the elite. Aizen soul crushes all the soldat anyway
And Aizen isn't gunna immediately try to dispatch sternritter. He would know Yhwach is too dangerous to even approach without ks
 
They can't kill Aizen with Sklaverei and Aizen just oneshots them before they do it.

Yhwach sacrificing fodder with auschwalen leaves him vulnerable as he has to cast the incantation
Barragan is complete fodder to him and he still opened up with KS. X-axis gg.
 
And Aizen isn't gunna immediately try to dispatch sternritter. He would know Yhwach is too dangerous to even approach without ks
Aizens brute strength is stated to be one of his go toys by Gin. No reason to think he wouldn't use it against people he doesn't already have under Kyoka Suigetsu.
Barragan is complete fodder to him and he still opened up with KS. X-axis gg.
He was giving Barragan a job interview.

X-Axis literally cannot kill Mid Godly. It's not an argument
 
Aizens brute strength is stated to be one of his go toys by Gin. No reason to think he wouldn't use it against people he doesn't already have under Kyoka Suigetsu.
Yet he has never used it as his go to lmfao. Only in Chrysalis up to monster Aizen. Gin was glazing hard
He was giving Barragan a job interview.
Okay still used ks
X-Axis literally cannot kill Mid Godly. It's not an argument
It would weaken him which would affect his stats. Isshin finger flicked him when he was approaching his soul reaper limit
 
Yet he has never used it as his go to lmfao. Only in Chrysalis up to monster Aizen. Gin was glazing hard
Gin's statements > Your claims. Aizen attacks his opponents.
Okay still used ks
Context of Aizen not even trying to kill Barragan means nothing now.
It would weaken him which would affect his stats. Isshin finger flicked him when he was approaching his soul reaper limit
Because the Hogyoku was evolving him. Aizen becoming 4-A isn't a good thing for the Quincy, and Lille Barro wouldn't be capable of killing Aizen.
 
Gin's statements > Your claims. Aizen attacks his opponents.
All Gin said was KS isn't what makes him scary being strong is said nothing about what you're saying. You're implying his go to id to immediately ap stomp when everything shows his go to is to KS.
Context of Aizen not even trying to kill Barragan means nothing now.
Yet Gin said his power is what subjugated the Espada. Yet immediately uses KS on Barragan. Sounds like gin is full of shit
Because the Hogyoku was evolving him. Aizen becoming 4-A isn't a good thing for the Quincy, and Lille Barro wouldn't be capable of killing Aizen.
You disabled transformations so it would just affect his stats. Also, even his transformations can't stop Jillel so you would just make it worse
 
All Gin said was KS isn't what makes him scary being strong is said nothing about what you're saying. You're implying his go to id to immediately ap stomp when everything shows his go to is to KS.
He used his raw power to subjugate the espada, not KS. I think KS is a starting move, but he can use KS and AP at the same time.
Yet Gin said his power is what subjugated the Espada. Yet immediately uses KS on Barragan. Sounds like gin is full of shit
Aizen wanted to humiliate Barragan to show the difference in power. How Aizen acts in a job interview isn't an argument.
You disabled transformations so it would just affect his stats. Also, even his transformations can't stop Jillel so you would just make it worse
AIzen getting higher stats only makes it worse for him. Aizen one shots before Lille uses any of his good powers, which need Auschwalen.
Are you all forgetting that the elite sternritter will blitz Aizen because of the difference in speed? The speed standard does not equalize the speed of the summons.
Can you show the difference is blitz level?
 
Aizen scales at 0.01c[2997924.58 m/s] and the elite scales at least at 14989621.4 m/s[minimum sub-relativistic+ value] because I don't know their value.
That won't matter cause Kisuke's speed(who base Aizen directly scales to) eventually will scale to Post Auswhalen Vollständig Askin in speed(and that Kisuke will probably be weakened)
 
Yhwach was confident he could even handle muken Aizen at least with time, base Aizen would be fodder
70-80% of Yhwach's power was already getting done in by Shikai Yama, Raven...

Explain how Bazz B can't harm Aizen when his power without vollstanding can cancel out yama
The explanation is non-canon now, and it's a casual Yama. BazzB could've easily been killed by a full power Yama.

All I'll say on the base Aizen vs Shikai Yama discourse is once Yamamoto restrains Aizen, he feels he has to die in order to be sure he kills Aizen too.
 
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Explain how base Urahara ,who is equal to base Aizen and smarter ,had some knowledge and prep, could barely kill a single elite with his Bankai and outside help(mostly the outside help) ? And still would have died without even more outside help ?

Lowkey , one elite alone would high diff base Aizen.
He almost died to Askin's hax, which we know can affect people far stronget than him. Bankai Kisuke literally ragdolls and speed blitzes Vollstandig Askin. He brought in Grimmjow just to test the limitations of Askin's ability.
 
Explain how base Urahara ,who is equal to base Aizen and smarter ,had some knowledge and prep, could barely kill a single elite with his Bankai and outside help(mostly the outside help) ? And still would have died without even more outside help ?

Lowkey , one elite alone would high diff base Aizen.
They never start off with maximal vollstandig, even against people like squad 0, who as far as they know should be threats at that level
 
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