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Verses you hate and why?

Mushoku Tensei was indeed my favorite isekai for years (From like 2014 to 2016) until I read Shield Hero.

Shield Hero genuinely has excellent storytelling; the development of Naofumi (Both seeds), Raphtalia, Rishia, Ren, and Trash are all spectacular in their own right. Villains are mostly blah, but they're not really the focus of this isekai.
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Also, Naofumi isn't a creep like Rudeus. (To which; I didn't mind at the time, cause I was a kid, but it started to bother me as I got older)
And for anyone who thinks Naofumi groomed young Raphtalia into being his adult waifu... No.

The one thing I will say about SH is that recent LN volumes are really slow paced and almost feel like filler, well besides the last one.

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Now as far as a verse I hate.... I suppose...

Akame ga Kill (Anime): I've genuinely never been as upset at an anime story as this one. At least school harems from the 2000's were somewhat entertaining and immersive. This was just insulting. Far more than Redo of Healer, Yosuga no Sora, school Days, or any other anime generally considered trash.
The characters themselves are more simple and 1 dimensional than the ones in the aforementioned shows. And it's overall Incredibly pretentious.

The character writing for the AgK anime is seriously on the level of a hentai fantasy plotline, without the hentai.
Look at Gantz as an example of the right way to handle these types of character in a setting where everyone can die.

Haven't read the manga.... because why would I? But I heard it's way better.
 
AgK manga is indeed better, but still doesn't make it very well written, in the end it's just your typical edgelord shonen story
 
Oh so I'm ignorant now? Amazing. Look man, i don't wanna see a pedo.

Rudeus clearly has the mind of an adult, in fact, a fully operational adult mind, yet he lusts after a 7 year old and and fondles a 10 year old. He is a small boy yes, but his mind is soul is that of a guy who's nearly 50.
Physiologically it isn't pedophilia, but knowing who rudeus is makes it a clear case of it.
Is an a anime where a 10yo is sexualized really something worth watching/a novel worth reading? I don't really care whether he changes or not, i don't wanna sit through seasons worth of that cringe. Either way i won't watch it cause i try to generally evade fanservice
 
Oh, that reminds me of this one manga where this grown ass NEET drowns in a pool and ends up travelling back to the past when he was in middle school, and he does typical ecchi shit in that form. I'm not going to name the manga for obvious reasons though.
 
Arceus0x said:
Oh so I'm ignorant now? Amazing. Look man, i don't wanna see a pedo.

Rudeus clearly has the mind of an adult, in fact, a fully operational adult mind, yet he lusts after a 7 year old and and fondles a 10 year old. He is a small boy yes, but his mind is soul is that of a guy who's nearly 50.
Physiologically it isn't pedophilia, but knowing who rudeus is makes it a clear case of it.
Is an a anime where a 10yo is sexualized really something worth watching/a novel worth reading? I don't really care whether he changes or not, i don't wanna sit through seasons worth of that cringe. Either way i won't watch it cause i try to generally evade fanservice
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I mean sure, Mushoku Tensei as isekai series are amazing, and yet you just don't want it because "lulz pedo" when in truth it isn't pedo at all
 
Another example is Tanya from Youjo Senki, physically a child but she went massacred the entire armies and a hostile atheist, yet peoples are fine with her

I called this a double standard
 
My dislike for franchises is often more due to my personal interactions with the fandom than the series itself. I sometimes think that I could have liked a series way more if I introduced myself into it, or if someone introduced me without being annoying about it.

Don't have that many verses I directly dislike myself, maybe because I haven't watched or read anything other than a couple of marvel comics due to college, what I recall however:

Redo of Healer: Outside of Keyal being a total ass, manipulator, rapist and idiot who unirocally brought a lot his trouble to himself (Like planning to get abused and tortured all over again after the timeline reset, or how his villages was raided becuase of he had to do his revenge)... The series is just bleh.

The world building is of the most generic you could think of, the magic system is there for the convenience of Keyal being overpowered rather than for some geniunly interesting applications of it, specially with the deal of Healing magic that is just power mimicry, which is just one of the most boring, predictable, unenthusiastic and lazy abilities you could give to a protagonist.

Many characters that are not Keya or his girls being inhumanly a horrible and stupid individual for no reason other than to progress the plot, because it seems that the story can´t move on without brain rot from antagonists for the shock value and to make Keya look cooler/edgier/more evil.

Brand New Animal: The series had the potential to be the next Kill La Kill/Gurren Lagann to me if it the story developed within the same amount of episodes, that being 25-32, instead of a measly 10.

Main protagonist being an annoying racoon girl who I don't even remember her name anymore, the full origin of her powers left as a plot hole that was never explained properly, some actual interesting moral/social dilemas such as "Would you change your very race/trait to live a better life?" being answered with the overused "nah that is evil we should love the way we were born always", the series finale with "already-saw-from-miles-coming" Plot Twist and Deus Ex Machina.

Really disappointed anime, aside from the animation and soundtracks which were great, and a couple of episodes.

Promare: Like BNA but cranked up to the 12.

If BNA was disappointing because of a series that should last 25-30 episodes was compressed to only 10, then Promare is worse because of a 25-30 episode anime being crumbled to a 2 hour movie.

Again, great animation and soundtrack, but issues are way worse.
 
Newendigo said:
Like planning to get abused and tortured all over again after the timeline reset
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Keyaru makes note that he was hoping that Flare was actually a good person in the current timeline—he had a smidgen of hope that maybe- just maybe, things would turn out differently. That is why he allowed himself to be ushered in as the Hero of Recovery in the first place. However, after he healed Kureha, and Flare vindicated his earlier thoughts—that she was a monster in both lives—he allowed himself to be captured and tortured for months so that he could build up an arsenal of skills and loot a massive amount of stat points off of the soldiers that abused him on a regular basis and the warriors that he was forced to heal every other minute.

The only reason he allowed himself to be thrown into jail was because he knew that he could not take on Flare or the guards in his current state, and the only way to power-up was to be endure those three months of agony.
Newendigo said:
or how his villages was raided becuase of he had to do his revenge
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Keyaru did not know that Leonard would recover, be allowed to fight once more by the King of the Jioral Kingdom, and take aim at his village, nor did he even think about Norn until it was too late, so what happened to his village was nothing he could have planned for.
Newendigo said:
specially with the deal of Healing magic that is just power mimicry
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I can understand why you would think this... kind of??

What I mean is: a lot of the accurate information about Keyaru's powers are only present in the Light Novel or in the anime's website. The only translation of the manga at the moment is really shitty, and the anime just neglects to explain anything, so what we're left with is abilities that come out of nowhere and just do whatever they want. However, the anime's website does a pretty good job of summing everything up.

"Recovery" (Heal) connects Keyaru to his target through a magical passageway, and it allows him to recreate a previously healthy snapshot of the target's body using their memories, emotions, and pain to accurately reconstruct their body's past—essentially, he's creating a save file from their past data and loading it up.

And as previously established, he has to absorb the memories of his targets in order to "heal" them, and when he does, he can copy their fighting styles and their magical skills through the information he stole through "Imitation" (Simulation)—uhhh... he's cheating?

He can also basically "alter his target's memories", for lack of a better word, in order to return them to a state that he desires using either "Reform" (Upgrade) or "Deterioration" (Corruption)—with this, he rewrites the save file to match his image before loading it.

somehow he can also steal stats from them through that magical passageway

It's all Biological Manipulation... uh- and also manipulation of magical structures, I guess..
Newendigo said:
which is just one of the most boring, predictable, unenthusiastic and lazy abilities you could give to a protagonist
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And Keyaru uses his powers in creative ways.
Newendigo said:
Many characters that are not Keya or his girls being inhumanly a horrible and stupid individual for no reason other than to progress the plot
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That's the point. The world is awful, because the people in power are awful.

The higher-ups have succumb to greed and revel in their own power. And, because the heads are awful people, the civilians, and the soldiers, and the warriors are allowed to live a disgusting life of crime and sin. Who's gonna stop them? The corrupt monarchy? The perverts, sexual deviants, murderers, and abusers that make up the kingdom's military? As long as it does not pose a threat to the overall kingdom, nothing matters.

Men could beat women in the streets, auction off slaves, run shady businesses, murder, steal, vandalize—do whatever they want, because it means jack all in the grand scheme of things, and the King, and the Princesses, and the police, and the Heroes do not care.
Newendigo said:
The world building is of the most generic you could think
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fair
 
Arceus0x said:
The isekai i like legitimately are Re:zero, Konosuba and the Bookworm one
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Speaking as having experienced them from the anime, the order you listed those 3 is ascending order of preference for me. Re:Zero is edgy, I found the plot confusing to follow, & Subaru insufferable.
Konosuba has its highs & lows. While it can be entertaining, the perpetual poverty enforced on the party, Kazuma SUPPOSEDLY being intelligent & lucky (Yet too often not seeming not so.), & other characters often being annoying, cruel or suffering unnecessarily annoys me. But it can be fun, showing the appealing sides to the characters & worldbuilding.

I adore Ascendance of a Bookworm. The obstacles Main faces, are, in my opinion, pleasingly atypical for an isekai protagonist, pleasing characterization, & a good balance of comfort & conflict.
What I especially love about it is.... Well, I'd compare it to Dr. Stone if Dr. Stone wasn't shoehorned into shonen; I love Dr. Stone, but I find the shonen combat elements bog-standard & boring; Ascendance of Bookworm frequently brings in constant scientific progress & revelations, & I love it for that.
 
Let's not call people names because they were turned off by certain things you didn't mind in your favorite series, otherwise Ant may have to close this thread. Regardless of whether the criticism is true or not, keep it civil.
 
Keyaru makes note that he was hoping that Flare was actually a good person in the current timeline—he had a smidgen of hope that maybe- just maybe, things would turn out differently. That is why he allowed himself to be ushered in as the Hero of Recovery in the first place. However, after he healed Kureha, and Flare vindicated his earlier thoughts—that she was a monster in both lives—he allowed himself to be captured and tortured for months so that he could build up an arsenal of skills and loot a massive amount of stat points off of the soldiers that abused him on a regular basis and the warriors that he was forced to heal every other minute. The only reason he allowed himself to be thrown into jail was because he knew that he could not take on Flare or the guards in his current state, and the only way to power-up was to be endure those three months of agony.
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Not in the manga last I recall, and it that is the case, then is just cringely stupid for his part. In both assuming that was going to change her, and how decides that torturing himself is a more feasible option. But Redo of Healer is full of unrealistic stupidity so what I could expect.

Keyaru did not know that Leonard would recover, be allowed to fight once more by the King of the Jioral Kingdom, and take aim at his village, nor did he even think about Norn until it was too late, so what happened to his village was nothing he could have planned for.
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The raid to his village was a public warning to get him out of his hiding place last I remember, he knew about it and didn't do anything.

I can understand why you would think this... kind of?? Long ass explanation
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None of this really proves a point against my reasons, tbh.

And Keyaru uses his powers in creative ways.
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He only uses it to one shot people by corrupting them, copy their abilites. And little else.

Its repetitive, is predictable, is a lazy way to make the character more powerful without notable effort or backslash.

I know the whole "He also suffers the pain the people experienced" but that weakness virtually disappears after brainwashing the princess, that is very early in the story.

That's the point. The world is awful, because the people in power are awful.
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People aren't just awful, they are comically, cartoonishly evil and/or idiotic.

And that being the point wouldn't save the series from being critized. You can have your edgy, grimm series but at least write it with coherence.

You can't have the characters randomly making acts of violence, sexual assault and brain dead decisions to move the plot all the time.
 
It's Magi and PMMM, they both have great plot but i can't stand the wank in my country about they solo all fictions .
 
@Imaginym Gore and psychological suffering doesn't equal edgy, edgy is just a buzzword these days. Re Zero is a series that treats the viewer as being intelligent (no i am not saying you're dumb), i am saying you can't shut your mind off, you have to pay attention.

If you haven't rewatched Re Zero, you haven't really watched it, when you do you start noticing stuff you didn't before cause you know of future details, and you noticed the foreshadowing, Ie Rem hatred for Subaru seemingly happens out of nowhere, until you rewatch and notice how she was always watching him. Petelguese seemed like a raving lunatic who says meaningless stuff, except he isn't, he is insane sure, but what he says has meaning ie episode 15 where he says to Subaru "With your own hands you killed her" after he just seemingly killed Rem, seems insignificant, until you see his backstory in season 2.

The series has a lot of gore and suffering, but it's not gore and suffering for no reason, Re Zero is a story about self improvement. Subaru faces stuff and has to overcome them, he isn't the typical op isekai protag, who has unshakeable willpower or being very smart, he is just a normal guy put into a chaotic world. So he is cringy, because that's how a normal person would be, he isn't able to solve and do everything perfectly.

Suabru started out as a cringy, garbage human, and that's the point, he does heroic stuff, but underlying that, is his selfishness and belief that he is entitled to be the protag of the story, however he isn't. Not only does he not have an op ability like you would normally see (although you can argue rbd is cause it gives him infinite retries which as we see in the if routes can make him terrifying), the world doesn't go by his assumptions about typical isekai. He decides Emilia is his waifu because that's what happens in a isekai's, he tries to be the hero, and he suffers and die a lot, but things seem to work out for him for a while, enter arc 3.

In a typical isekai, Subaru would look cool standing up for Emilia, instead, he looks like a clown, he has no authority, nothing to back him up to change the perception of a country, he white knights in front of literal white knights. He gets beaten up and humiliated in front of everyone and the person he is trying to white knight for, cuts him off, cause he broke his promise and refuses to explain why.

Subaru despite suffering since coming to the new world still thought himself the hero, as long as he had rbd, everything would be fine, in comes the witch cult massacring everyone he knows, over and over again, showing him how wrong he is. Dying isn't pleasant, neither is watching the people you care for die.

Going to another world, won't magically fix your problems, Subaru keeps failing over and over again, whether it's practicing sloth, doing nothing, or going based on his emotions, which anyone would do after failing so much. It's only when he decides to change as a person, that things, start going good for him, and that's the message of Re Zero, no matter how much of a garbage human being others think you are, or even you think you are, you can always restart. Subaru knew his issues, but he never wanted to confront them, he was selfish, cringy, arrogant etc, but despite all that he can become a better person, and that's what happens.

Now i can go into his backstory, it's very normal, real, and that's honestly why i think people hate Subaru, because he reminds them of themselves, Isekai/Fantasy are suppose to be an escape from your problem, but Subaru and Re Zero as a whole is ramming it down your throat. That's just my opinion though, anyway back to his backstory, he didn't have a tragic backstory from like a shounen or something where his parents died or something, he was just a kid who was initially the best, and gradually lost that, he was overshadowed by his father and crushed by the expectations of being his son. He acted out, doing the most outrageous stuff until he was all alone, tried to reinvent himself in highschool, only to embarrass himself, and then eventually stop going to school.

The last time he saw his mom he said nothing to her, cause he felt guilty about not washing the dishes, and then he gets isekai'ed, his parents keep looking for him, but to the world he is missing, added to the fact that he was clearly depressed, i wouldn't be surprised if they think he committed suicide.

Subaru in the new world acted out, he was just playing a character, he was in a new world where nobody knew he was his father's son, his behavior was all a fasade. At his core, Subaru is his biggest critic, he knows his issues, he thinks he is garbage, so whatever complains people have about him, he thinks the same, he admits all this in episode 18, how he is weak and useless, talks a big game, does nothing, selfish etc etc.

And this extends into season 2, where he is concerned about others, he cares nothing about himself, because again Subaru doesn't love himself. He places others lives above his own, and doesn't think the people he cares for love him the same way, yet despite that he kept trying to save them over and over again, no matter how many times he got hurt and killed.

So despite all his issues, he is a guy, with no real strength, and as arc 6 puts it "he loves everyone too much", he never gave up, that's his only weapon. Of course he learns to love himself, and becomes a better person, rely on ppl etc, but going through all that would make this too long.

Going to end this here, to not make this any longer, but going to wrap it up by saying this; going to another world doesn't mean you become a better person, you don't have to go to another world to do that, whenever you decide to change, that's your starting line, even in your darkness moments, remember somebody cares for you, love yourself. That's the message of Re Zero for me.
 
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Imaginym said:
Konosuba has its highs & lows. While it can be entertaining, the perpetual poverty enforced on the party, Kazuma SUPPOSEDLY being intelligent & lucky (Yet too often not seeming not so.), & other characters often being annoying, cruel or suffering unnecessarily annoys me. But it can be fun, showing the appealing sides to the characters & worldbuilding.
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Uh, Kazuma's luck not working is explained in-verse as being countered by Aqua's bad luck + his others party member.

Also Intelligence isn't being wise. Megumin has a super high intelligence stats for instance, and one can hardly say that Kazuma's dumb.

Though I wonder, who's the "cruel" characters ?
 
Animegod12345 said:
Kazuma from Konosuba isn't anything special there are main characters that are better than him in isekai.
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An isekai protag living like an actual adventurer and not being a "fake victim" who's actually OP is rare enough.

Although there's better protag even in his own verse, Konosuba works well because of the chimestry between the characters and the fact that it deconstructs a genre; so Kazuma's all about his personnality.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
@Imaginym Gore and psychological suffering doesn't equal edgy, edgy is just a buzzword these days. Re Zero is a series that treats the viewer as being intelligent (no i am not saying you're dumb), i am saying you can't shut your mind off, you have to pay attention.
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Nonetheless, I found the dark aspects of how it was presented to be unpleasant, when I watched it, or so my memory says.
Reading the rest of your post, I appreciate your insight & analysis about the characterization & story themes. Nonetheless, from what I experienced of Subaru's character, I, personally, did not enjoy that, & I have not yet found the motivation to rewatch Re:Zero.

Still, I feel I am able to understand your perspective, & I appreciate it.
QuasiYuri said:
Uh, Kazuma's luck not working is explained in-verse as being countered by Aqua's bad luck + his others party member.

Also Intelligence isn't being wise. Megumin has a super high intelligence stats for instance, and one can hardly say that Kazuma's dumb.

Though I wonder, who's the "cruel" characters ?
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My memory of Konosuba is tainted, but I recall the cast experiencing a lot of hardship, Kazuma, especially, for petty things. But like Re:Zero, it's been a while since I last watched it, so my memory of the experience is likely very distorted.

I appreciate the clarification on Kazuma's luck, but I still do, feel that at times, he doesn't act intelligently enough. (Not to mention, doesn't he suffer plenty, even when separated from Aqua? Or is my memory just distorted?)


Anyway, my apologies to any folks I bothered so.
Perhaps with further experience or re-experiencing what I have, my opinion of such media might change, but I lack the motivation for such, & I do apologize if anoyne minds that of me.
I'm sure the serieses are much more enjoyable for people, even if I don't entirely like them, & I appreciate your attempts to bring some re-evaluation to my grievances; It's good to be able to enjoy things.

Pardon the verbosity, please.
 
i just really dislike the nasuverse fanbase (A part of it) . I mean, i once tried to prove why ereshkigal is not a completely good person, and has a fair share of bad deeds, and i got threatened, and all that shit. The gamepress fgo community is really toxic imo.
 
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