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Vegeta vs Marisa (CONCLUDED)

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Marisa Kirisame

Marisa Kirisame is an "ordinary" human magician specializing in flashy heat and light-based magic, and the secondary protagonist of the Touhou Project. She is a notorious and proud thief and has built herself up as a great magician through nothing but hard work and dedication to her craft. Tier...
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Vegeta (DBS Anime)

Vegeta is the disgraced prince of the Saiyan race, one of the few survivors of his species after Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. Left with no choice but to follow his orders, Vegeta traveled across the galaxy and eradicated planets for sale before he was brought to Earth by Raditz's report of...
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both are uni+ (broly saga vegeta is in ssb)
speed is equal
incap allowed

vegeta: 8

marisa: 5

inconclusive:
 
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Does she get the Ultramarine Elixir and her Occult Ball as standard? I don't see them as equipment in her profile and Ultramarine Orb shouldn't be standard anyway, even if that were the case.

If so, Marisa wins, as he can't get around the Ultramarine Orb Elixir as far as I can tell.

If not, Vegeta annihilates through sheer AP. Marisa does not have much hax without them, so it would be a large stick against a larger stick in that case.
 
ZetaMarishi said:
Does she get the Ultramarine Elixir and her Occult Ball as standard? I don't see them as equipment in her profile and Ultramarine Orb shouldn't be standard anyway, even if that were the case.

If so, Marisa wins, as he can't get around the Ultramarine Orb Elixir as far as I can tell.

If not, Vegeta annihilates through sheer AP. Marisa does not have much hax without them, so it would be a large stick against a larger stick in that case.
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is the ultramarine elixir her standard?
 
It's not given to her through Standard Equipment on this site as far as I can tell, and supposedly the canon route is that the heroines do not take the Ultramarine Orb Elixir.

Pick which stomp you want, I guess.
 
if its not her standard then she doesn't have it here, and vegeta isnt that far into low 2-c anyways so it shouldn't be that much of a stomp
 
Far as I know, his scaling chain is still bigger than Marisa's.

I give it to him through AP. Again, as far as I can tell, she doesn't have any big haxes that'd get him without the Ultramarine Orb Elixir. She just do not be like that.
 
ZetaMarishi said:
Far as I know, his scaling chain is still bigger than Marisa's.

I give it to him through AP. Again, as far as I can tell, she doesn't have any big haxes that'd get him without the Ultramarine Orb Elixir. She just do not be like that.
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ill consider this a vote for vegeta ig
 
How's Vegeta actually hitting Marisa while not getting worn down by Danmaku tho
 
Not Touhou level danmaku lmao, Reimu's got a win against DBS Goku for the same reason- and Goku has UI
 
Fantasy Nature was also a big argument, but dodging was as well, and admittedly I do think Reimu's dodging and defensive skillset is way better than Marisa's, but so is Goku's compared to Vegeta's, and Marisa still dodges really complex shit.
 
Eh Voting Vegeta he can nullify her attacks and absorb some also could probably wipe some of them out with a Galick Gun or Final Flash both that also give him a damage boost.
 
I mean, it's not like getting rid of a few shots is gonna prevent way more from coming
 
Issue is, I seriously doubt an attack will land at all. Marisa can dodge literal thousands of projectiles, I don't think one or two will be enough- at least most of the time.
 
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Issue is, I seriously doubt an attack will land at all. Marisa can dodge literal thousands of projectiles, I don't think one or two will be enough- at least most of the time.
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I mean he has homing and a crazy range advantage. Also I forgot he's rage power. And again can nullify her energy attacks.
 
Homing is a thing in Touhou, and he doesn't really abuse range iirc. As for nullifying attacks, I mean, more will come. That said I would like to get an actual Touhou supporter here instead of someone who just knows the characters via second-hand information
 
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Homing is a thing in Touhou, and he doesn't really abuse range iirc. As for nullifying attacks, I mean, more will come. That said I would like to get an actual Touhou supporter here instead of someone who just knows the characters via second-hand information
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I would like to know the AP difference
 
Keep in mind that danmaku curtains also HAVE TO have a way through them in most battles unless literally everyone hates you (Seija). Vegeta is not actually bound by those same rules.

I'm not going to say Marisa isn't better at dodging than Vegeta, because she is, but it's not like she's dodging through undodgeable attacks either way, and if he ever gets close, she loses.

And yes, some of her attacks do have her get close to her opponent.

Edit: Also, as far as I can tell from Marisa's scaling chain
Marisa > Seiga = Miko who created Hokkai, an infinite universe (Hence High 3-A to Low 2-C, so should be baseline as far as I can tell). She gets this rating because she almost accidentally killed Seiga at some point, and I don't see anything that would scale her higher. I could be wrong about this, please correct me if I am.

I legitimately forget Vegeta's scaling chain, though, at least when it comes to his Broly arc SSJB. I know he's weaker than SSJBE, though. I know it's more than what Marisa has to some degree, but it might be lower than I expect.

Also, while I doubt it'll actually change much of anything, Vegeta might end up getting a buff to his AP soon if a thread making IZ not baseline Low 2-C actually gets applied. It probably won't, but it's still something I should probably note.
 
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