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Vegeta vs Marisa (CONCLUDED)
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Vegeta FRA
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and thats grace
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A FRA train come so fast before I get a chance to say anything lol
Anyway Vegeta do not scale to the half 2C that gods scale too, honestly I have no idea how high Broly movie SSB Goku and Vegeta scale but as long as it is blow SSBE Vegeta who probably will be just tens of time above baseline (correct me if I had miss something ). For Marisa, she scale above Clownpeice, who have a power beyond all of Kishin masters, which one of the Kashin Masters was able to create countless water explosions that just one of them was enough to one-shot Seiga, which Seiga herself in higher level than normal Hermits and even the average hermit is casualy Low 2C
It is very hard to calc how many Water explosions that Suiki had create but it should be easily aroud hunderns which will end with Marisa having a higher AP here
That higher AP with her massive skills in Danmaku and dodging will make her came out here with a won. Many touhou characters are scaled at the level of meging Danmaku with close combat and use them both at the same time. Vegeta will have some very hard time dodging all of that at tge same time while Vegeta attacks will be a complete joke for the yong witch.
Now to denbunk why people already vote for the prince
Rage power in reactive power level : while that will give Vegeta a good boost it wouldn't be enough to overcame the bullet hell and AP advantage that I had mention above
Range : Is Range really all that matter? Yeh Vegeta have a great range advantage but what that will change? as long as Vegeta under Marisa range that wouldn't help at all espicelly that Marisa have attacks plantery and interplantery range so even if Vegeta try to go far away to attack his range wouldn't be enough unless he try to attack from another solair system or something a thing that is completly out of character for him
Using a charging attack : That argument isn't good realy, why would vegeta try to do attack need some amount of time to charge In the middle of a bullet hell, Vegeta is smarter than that, he was gonna to destroy earth where he cannon breath in space in Saiyan Saga but he is still smarter than that, also Marisa can easily just dodge Final Flash lol
Vegeta getting close is Instan won for him : Not really Marisa is very skilled at close combat and capable of using Danmaku and close range combat at same time, I feel like people forget that Touhou have 6 fighting games.
Homing : Vegeta rarly use homing I cannot remeber in instane when he try to use a homing attack but dodging so many Homing attacks is something Marisa done so many times
Power nullifaction : Vegeta for some reasons have that only as SSBE actually..... and if we assume he can always do it that will only mean that it is very very out of character for him to do it
Marisa cannot copie Vegeta techniques because it isn't magic : I know that no body mention that her but I want to add that she can even if it non magical as Yuuka was not a magic user in the PC-98 era (Yuuka be unable to use magic was a plot point for her route in Touhou 5) and Marisa was completly able to coppy Master Spark from her. Anyway copying techniques would be that usefull at fisrt and even Vegeta have that so isn't really a advantage but I want to add that
Anyway Vegeta do not scale to the half 2C that gods scale too, honestly I have no idea how high Broly movie SSB Goku and Vegeta scale but as long as it is blow SSBE Vegeta who probably will be just tens of time above baseline (correct me if I had miss something ). For Marisa, she scale above Clownpeice, who have a power beyond all of Kishin masters, which one of the Kashin Masters was able to create countless water explosions that just one of them was enough to one-shot Seiga, which Seiga herself in higher level than normal Hermits and even the average hermit is casualy Low 2C
It is very hard to calc how many Water explosions that Suiki had create but it should be easily aroud hunderns which will end with Marisa having a higher AP here
That higher AP with her massive skills in Danmaku and dodging will make her came out here with a won. Many touhou characters are scaled at the level of meging Danmaku with close combat and use them both at the same time. Vegeta will have some very hard time dodging all of that at tge same time while Vegeta attacks will be a complete joke for the yong witch.
Now to denbunk why people already vote for the prince
Rage power in reactive power level : while that will give Vegeta a good boost it wouldn't be enough to overcame the bullet hell and AP advantage that I had mention above
Range : Is Range really all that matter? Yeh Vegeta have a great range advantage but what that will change? as long as Vegeta under Marisa range that wouldn't help at all espicelly that Marisa have attacks plantery and interplantery range so even if Vegeta try to go far away to attack his range wouldn't be enough unless he try to attack from another solair system or something a thing that is completly out of character for him
Using a charging attack : That argument isn't good realy, why would vegeta try to do attack need some amount of time to charge In the middle of a bullet hell, Vegeta is smarter than that, he was gonna to destroy earth where he cannon breath in space in Saiyan Saga but he is still smarter than that, also Marisa can easily just dodge Final Flash lol
Vegeta getting close is Instan won for him : Not really Marisa is very skilled at close combat and capable of using Danmaku and close range combat at same time, I feel like people forget that Touhou have 6 fighting games.
Homing : Vegeta rarly use homing I cannot remeber in instane when he try to use a homing attack but dodging so many Homing attacks is something Marisa done so many times
Power nullifaction : Vegeta for some reasons have that only as SSBE actually..... and if we assume he can always do it that will only mean that it is very very out of character for him to do it
Marisa cannot copie Vegeta techniques because it isn't magic : I know that no body mention that her but I want to add that she can even if it non magical as Yuuka was not a magic user in the PC-98 era (Yuuka be unable to use magic was a plot point for her route in Touhou 5) and Marisa was completly able to coppy Master Spark from her. Anyway copying techniques would be that usefull at fisrt and even Vegeta have that so isn't really a advantage but I want to add that
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That completly wrong, but I wouldn't blame you, the justifications in the Touhou characters profiles are so lazy and really need a better reword
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Vegeta doesn't scale to the half-gods that Gogeta, MUI Goku, and Broly do, but he's still not so far behind that he doesn't just overpower Marisa significantly. He can still fight with Ikari Broly, so he's still very high up there. Definitely more than hundreds of times baseline.
And she's not nearly as skilled as Vegeta is in close combat by a LONG shot. If it were Meiling, then I'd give that to her, but Marisa is not. Period. It's even listed as a weakness of hers. She might be better than the profile states, but I still think Vegeta has it handily on this front.
Edit: Also, what makes a regular hermit casually Low 2-C? I know they have some space-time hax, but as far as I know, Seiga and Miko aren't exactly normal hermits.
And she's not nearly as skilled as Vegeta is in close combat by a LONG shot. If it were Meiling, then I'd give that to her, but Marisa is not. Period. It's even listed as a weakness of hers. She might be better than the profile states, but I still think Vegeta has it handily on this front.
Edit: Also, what makes a regular hermit casually Low 2-C? I know they have some space-time hax, but as far as I know, Seiga and Miko aren't exactly normal hermits.
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The Touhou profiles really need better reword for the justifications
I don't see how Vegeta downscale from the half to 2C, There is nothing shown that there is a quantifiable defrence between SSB Vegeta and the likes of Full power Jiren and MUI Goku. I don't also see how fighting Ikari Broly will makes Vegeta higher in the scaling that is more of a feat for Broly not for Vegeta. But in all honestly I have no idea where SSB Vegeta should scale above Baseline but I had prove before that Marisa is above baseline by a decent amount thanks to Suiki. So I don't think Vegeta have a AP for a instant won
I cannot agrue again that, Vegeta is very skilled in his own but my point was more of that Marisa isn't get instantly destroyed if Vegeta was able to go for a close combat and I had claim that Touhou characters can use prefctly Danmaku and close combat at the same time in the fighting games. Also tryimg to getting close to Marisa while she shot multiple lasers and bullet hell will just increase the possiblity of him getting hit
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She's also far weaker lifting wise. Close quarters would be bad for her.
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The touhou profiles should probably better justify why some people are Low 2-C to begin with. I get Miko's justification, and of course Amitabha, the villains of 15, and Lunarians as a result, but I'm uncertain as to how it'd scale to everyone else considering why the spell card system even exists to begin with.
Also, stacking multiple blasts together as if it amps above their regular AP is really weird to me. The way you worded it is that the water blasts would be one level, and the fact that they can shoot multiple at the same time means that they're amping them significantly higher? It just sounds like Low 2-C danmaku to me.
And Ikari Broly is still insanely above Low 2-C. Like, apparently thousands of times above baseline or something? I just wish I could find the proper scaling chain, though.
Also, stacking multiple blasts together as if it amps above their regular AP is really weird to me. The way you worded it is that the water blasts would be one level, and the fact that they can shoot multiple at the same time means that they're amping them significantly higher? It just sounds like Low 2-C danmaku to me.
And Ikari Broly is still insanely above Low 2-C. Like, apparently thousands of times above baseline or something? I just wish I could find the proper scaling chain, though.
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Yeah I keep getting difference answers for the scaling chain
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I want to know that too
Anyway I lose interest in the MU and it seems that Vegeta have some avantage so I will change my vote to Vegeta FRA too
Kaguya also have a universal+ feat that Mouko scale to, Reimu and Hijiri are equal to Miko or something like that, Yuuka fight Reimu outside of spell card rules, Onis have a Universal feats and they fight hermits even before the speel card system exist so they scale, Flandre stated to havr the strength of a oni and her sister sce from her, there is other stuff here and there but I agree there is some characters should not be Low 2C like Sakuya and Alice
