Vaerun vs. David Beckum

[Jinsye]

Full Power 5-C David is used and Vaerun has a week or so of prep.

If this is unfair I'll lower prep and switch to 6-B David

Speed is equal

If this sucks, it's Swathing's fault

David Beckum (Everyone Wants to Rule The World): 0

Vaeru: 0

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

What is Vaerun's counter to the wombo combo of Murderous Intent + clones + teleport spam + SNI+-level precog + BFR/Time Killer spam?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Okay but why?

Also why give Vaerun insane prep holy shit.

With prep, Vaerun just gets his god to kill his enemy. Low 2-C. He can set up practically endless resurrections and can have an army of others to assist him. He can further duplicate his enemy to attack himself (see: simulacrum spell). He can also info analysis to get David's weaknesses.

@Hl3, Vaerun negs BFR/Time hax and has spells to **** with teleportation that'd also come in handy with prep. Clones are useful but due to Vaerun's true sight tells him which clone is the real one, precog would help I suppose, and I dunno about murderous intent and precog but tbh precog doesn't so much if you can't do anything with it.

It should also be noted Vaerun similarly teleport spams if combat carries on. His opening move is his own version of PWK- one word Death Hax- or thought-based mindhax. But if he has prep, he'd be able to know basically which of his spells would grant him the victory.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

1: David has passive quantum level info analysis

2: Yuki's precog is better than Gilgamesh's SNI by a decent margin

3: Murderous Intent is an at least 200x speed and power boost and has it's only downside nulled by decent regen

4: Most of David's hax is 4-D, along with his resistences

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1: Good.

2: Neat.

3: Speaking is faster.

4: So Low 2-C eats him.

Also he doesn't seem to resist Death Hax. Speaking is faster than crossing 4 km even with 200x speed.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

oh and uh

what stops

you know

Sphere of Annihilatio gg

 

[DMUA]

insane prep

Does Vaerun have his own Hyperbolic Timechamber to turn that into like 7 years of time to just make whatever spells necessary?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Actually yes.

D&D has planes of existence where time progresses 1000x slower.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That equates to about 19 years of prep to be sure.

Acting in character, Vaerun is more likely to abuse one of the planes of existence with roughly 100x slower time (the Asgardian realms). That's almost two years of prep.

 

[DMUA]

And Vaerun being Vaerun he can of course get there

holey fork

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Either way this is giving Vaerun access to years of prep time and the 4-D being that literally has him as his chosen.

 

[Jinsye]

Aka vaerun should be strongest 6-B with prep if that's allowed

 

[DMUA]

Probably. I mean, he is that tier when he has prep.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Currently discussing this over discord with Bambu

so far Vaerun's main win con is having Xavier neg David's self-res, but that doesn't really cover a lot of things that David can do

 

[Mr. Bambu]

basically the discussion is in stalemate until we figure out how quickly David can jump to another possibility.

 

[Jinsye]

Why u people cant discuss here so i can see it reeee

 

[Mr. Bambu]

basically it comes out to

if his possibility hopping is thought-based, then the debate continues

if it isn't, Vaerun speaks and Xavier ensures homeboy stays dead

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

the hopping is thought-based btw

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah we got that.

So now we go on to this-

Beckum cannot foresee the actions of Xavier (Acausality Type 4, same as every god). However he can feasibly hop to other possibilities before Vaerun speaketh. From there... dunno. How good is David at like... knowing the exact end of each possibility?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Well considering his passive info analysis and this key's frankly insane intelligence he should be able to figure out that just letting Vaerun say "die" isn't a great idea

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yes, but he isn't exactly able to know about the situation with Xavier.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Would Vaerun know that Xavier negged David's self-res?

if so than David knows

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's an interesting question. According to the guy that actually plays Vaerun, no. He just generally says "hey big whompum in the sky this big bad over there very foul go get him give help scoot scoot" and Xavier takes actions as he deems fit. He doesn't really control Xavier so much as call him to assist, basically.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Well then David would know that something is up when Vaerun gets a higher-d being to do something in his general direction and play it safe

aka hop to another possibility

 

[Mr. Bambu]

...

Except he like explicitly cannot foresee any actions of Xavier.

The actions that'd be present in any possibility.

Without actually attacking Xavier does have actions to prevent David from doing those things. Dimensional Anchor prevents leaving this plane of existence.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

David sees that Vaerun got his big brother (Xavier) to do something

considering how David can easily read Vaerun's memories, he knows that Xavier is a big deal and that he needs to be careful

also, the possibility hopping isn't leaving that universe or whatever, it's moving to another possibility of an action

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Er. Not quite. It'd be more like David knows he prayed to a god. Without prior knowledge that sort of thing wouldn't be ez pz to witness.

Passive?

Other timelines (possibilities) are considered universes in D&D. Dimensional Anchor handles that.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Coincidentally... David's ability is unironically in non-homebrew D&D. I don't remember the exact name of a spell but that ability word for word exists, wherein you take one of two possibilities and boom.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

David should know what Xavier can do or at least what he is if Vaerun does

David has passive quantum-level info analysis, so ye

The battle isn't taking place in a D&D setting, it's taking place in central park

 

[Jinsye]

DnD has everything dude

 

[Mr. Bambu]

But can't actually deal with what he can do.

Huh. RPs are weird.

But the ability does work on what you're describing.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Coincidentally... David's ability is unironically in non-homebrew D&D. I don't remember the exact name of a spell but that ability word for word exists, wherein you take one of two possibilities and boom.

David's is taking every possibility and going to the one he wants

it's basically prop manip with another step

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I never said that David can deal with what Xavier's doing, he can, however, realize that he needs to keep Vaerun from saying "loldie" or something similar

"But the ability does work on what you're describing. "

not...............entirely sure what you mean by this

David can see every possible outcome of an event better than a practically omniscient Low 2-C supercomputer can, and he can jump to the one that he wants

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean Xavier has negged practically the same ability you're describing. Um. Basically, any major event wherein Xavier has intervened has been a significantly powerful being who abuses magic (Xavier being an intermediate deity of magic). In D&D... everything is magic. Literally all of it, to varying degrees. David continually hopping to other possibilities is against Xavier's idea of "magic abuse".

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

pretty sure it's not magic tho

BlazBlue has magic, but Yuki doesn't only use it and the possibility hopping is just something he can do

btw, how good is Vaerun's resistence to memory manip?

because David's works on people who resist 4-D memory manip

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not 4-D. But either way, Xavier.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

from the looks of it, Xavier just calls anything anyone does to Vaerun an abuse of magic

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

anyways

David either possibility hops and eventually kills Vaerun or uses Mind Eater, assuming Xavier doesn't just call everything an abuse of magic

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

after further discussion

Inconclusive, as David has no way around Xavier just bringing Vaerun back and Vaerun never gets to do anything that would kill David

 

[Mr. Bambu]

As far as Hl3 and I can figure, this is basically a case of

David thinking, Xavier negging, David thinking, Xavier negging, ad infinitum.