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Here you go
From Shikamaru Hiden
oh yes, this can be one proof that juubito is very strong and juubito can be compared with juubidara or other god tier. Therefore, it is very illogical if Juubito only gets 6B and can be equivalent to Mid Tier in Naruto even though Juubito is already at the god level
 
Do you think the translation would be different?
Permission to answer. Using manga seems better than anime so as not to avoid misstranslate and to be able to prove that it is cannon.

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask what do you think about this thread? Does Juubito deserve an upgrade?
 
Permission to answer. Using manga seems better than anime so as not to avoid misstranslate and to be able to prove that it is cannon.

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask what do you think about this thread? Does Juubito deserve an upgrade?
I am aware of this; what I meant is, is there any difference between the manga scan and the anime version?
Since that's his argument, his point is still valid if there is no difference. He just needs to change the scans to the manga version. Not a big deal.

Also, there is no explicit feat of him having any moon feat, but I am sure absorbing power (even though it is stated to have all powers once absorbed) is a thing in Naruto, so I am neutral on this matter.
 
I did this because I saw an upgrade to sakura, hinata, shikamaru who became planet level (5B) or guy who became L5B and Juubito didn't get an upgrade at all even though Juubito at that time was very superior and no one could touch it, this is very illogical. The power scaling that has occurred has been damaged because the actual narrative is very illogical that Sakura, Hinata, or Shikamaru can be much stronger than Juubito and I think Juubito should be above their level.
It is what it is
They scale to some certain peeps who in turn scale to some other peeps who are planet level

Meanwhile, Juubito scales to no one who is moon level based off feats or statements
You can use the scan I sent though
 
oh yes, this can be one proof that juubito is very strong and juubito can be compared with juubidara or other god tier. Therefore, it is very illogical if Juubito only gets 6B and can be equivalent to Mid Tier in Naruto even though Juubito is already at the god level
You can add it to your post as a supporting evidence
 
Madara directly compared Obito to the Sage of Six Paths, so be thought Obito was almost comparable. While he never met Hagoromo, he did know about his feat of creating the moon. So shouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he thought that Obito would be capable of replicating that feat?
 
Madara directly compared Obito to the Sage of Six Paths, so be thought Obito was almost comparable. While he never met Hagoromo, he did know about his feat of creating the moon. So shouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he thought that Obito would be capable of replicating that feat?
I don't see how. Knowing about the feat doesn't mean knowing the amount of energy involved.
 
He compared Obito to Hagoromo because of his abilities, as he deadass had a shit ton of qualities of him.

Kabuto compared himself to Hagoromo as well, is Kabuto on that level?
 
Well, this statement was from the author or narrator
But the actual statement can be interpreted in more than one way
Well I mean in the manga obito said it 3 different times that he was equal to and had the power and body of the so6p
 
He compared Obito to Hagoromo because of his abilities, as he deadass had a shit ton of qualities of him.

Kabuto compared himself to Hagoromo as well, is Kabuto on that level?
Fair but kabuto was a shit talker

At least obito actually had ten tails, rinnegan and hagoromo’s weapon to back it up
 
A quick comment on the linear calc Juubi scaling stuff, isn’t the Juubi stated to be > sum of the Bijuu? Aka nonlinear or scaled up by some unknown factor with an unknown dependence.
 
Kurama's strength can be said to be equivalent to 5 beasts, so it can be assumed that the Bijuu Obito who absorbs 7 Bijuu is already comparable to Kurama + Gyuki which means that Bijuu Obito only gets 50% power from the full power of the Bijuu that has Kurama + Gyuki because the assumption is that the Bijuu Obito is equal to kurama+gyuki.

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https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1014801570019426358/1018856121030688808/naruto_571_12.jpg
Using linear calculations to measure the Juubi's strength

-Juubi is formed from 9 biju+gedo mazo shells
-Juubi absorbed by Obito is a Juubi that takes a full 7 biju + small flakes from Kurama + Gyuki
-If using Biju Dama Fighting Calculation (Chap 570)
-(1/2 Kurama = 5 Biju, 1 Kurama = 10 Biju?)
-This is a feat from naruto who has 1/2 of Kurama's chakra can withstand even more powerful than 5 biju
-Assuming that Biju 1-7 have the same strength is not unusual because they can form a tailed beast of the same size and state by shukaku if the tail also determines strength
-Gyuki alone can hold 2 tailed beasts alone, he can be equal to 2 tailed beasts if he can. If you add up using rough calculations, Kurama can be considered stronger than all the tailed beasts, especially with the tail statement affecting the strength of the tailed beasts, which is 10 beasts, the Juubi requires 19 Biju in strength, with the benchmark 1 earlier. If in total obito has 7 beasts + a little power from Kurama and gyuki let's assume the Chakra reaches 60% of the size of one beast

Juubi Obito = 7.6 out of 19 beasts to reach the perfect Juubi
Juubi Obito = 40% of Juubi Fullpower
This is the result if we want to use the calculation linearly.

Oh ya, is there any reason other than not using linear calculations/bad assumptions?
this is wrong because there was Naruto chakra input and 8 tails as well
 
Fair but kabuto was a shit talker

At least obito actually had ten tails, rinnegan and hagoromo’s weapon to back it up
Obito also has scaling that puts him objectively below Hagoromo. Juubito < One Rinnegan Juubidara =< Hagoromo
 
A quick comment on the linear calc Juubi scaling stuff, isn’t the Juubi stated to be > sum of the Bijuu? Aka nonlinear or scaled up by some unknown factor with an unknown dependence.
I always thought that the sum of the bijuu statement was referring to needing chakra from each of them, not the entirety of their chakras. which is why Obito was even able to create a juubi at all with the tiny bit of gyuki and kurama he had. kind of like how Naruto only needed a bit of each of their chakras to make SPSM.
 
I always thought that the sum of the bijuu statement was referring to needing chakra from each of them, not the entirety of their chakras. which is why Obito was even able to create a juubi at all with the tiny bit of gyuki and kurama he had. kind of like how Naruto only needed a bit of each of their chakras to make SPSM.
Right I see what you’re saying. I just feel like based on portrayals feats statements etc, using any type of linear scale is faulty.
 
Right I see what you’re saying. I just feel like based on portrayals feats statements etc, using any type of linear scale is faulty.
Definitely agree it shouldn't be linear but the idea that 7 of the tailed beast made a county-continental Juubi and 1 1/2 more getting added bring the Juubi to low planet lvl is just weird to me. Even disregarding the juubi, Sasuke absorbed 8 1/2 country lvl Bijuu and started dunking on SPSM Naruto. we should just slap unknown ratings on all of them and be done with it no cap.
 
Definitely agree it shouldn't be linear but the idea that 7 of the tailed beast made a county-continental Juubi and 1 1/2 more getting added bring the Juubi to low planet lvl is just weird to me. Even disregarding the juubi, Sasuke absorbed 8 1/2 country lvl Bijuu and started dunking on SPSM Naruto. we should just slap unknown ratings on all of them and be done with it no cap.
I mean that’s also a product of our fan calcs too, so keep that in mind that the author isn’t gonna know what the exact value in joules are right, or how big the gaps are number wise. So I don’t think we should really read too heavily in a large gap caused by fan calcs
 
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