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UPDATED:Add Toon Force to Gear 5
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We talking about it here
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We don't see him warping reality. We know he can bring things into reality like cartooney sound effects and stars swirling around his opponent's head when he hits them, or the eyeballs popping out thing. That's more subjective reality than reality warping.
Until he starts doing reality warping that statement's not enough justification.
Until he starts doing reality warping that statement's not enough justification.
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It looks like they are mostly doing the conceptual manipulation over there
sorry I’m new to this scaling stuff, but isnr subjective reality the same thing?
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Sort of? It won't be applied beyond what he's shown. He hits an opponent and their eyeballs pop out, or they have swirling stars around their heads-
It's basically like fighting a gag character but without the physics defying, world breaking nonsense for now. Oda seems to have plans for Gear 5 to be full on cartoonish but until those feats are shown it's hard to assume what he can and can't have beyond what he did show
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That is what luffy has been doing tho and is stated to do
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Hasn’t Luffy been defying physics with his fruit this entire time? He’s been pulling stuff off that he was never able to pull off before with gear 5(like making his entire body giant, but not in the way that tankman did) and inflating his body for bajarng gun without blowing air..I think it’s definitely his imagination causing this.
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That all falls under stretching-
Making his body giant is just him using body control the same way he did for gear 3, only on a far greater scale and without needing air. His body could always expand and grow, but now he can do it more freely
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Fair, but he is also capable of transforming the environment and people which is only something which paramecia users can do.
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Yep. That falls under Transmutation. Unlike most users he can transmutate seemingly even energy and whatnot, so it's already on his G5 section for the profile
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What about the eyeball thing, how is that not defying physics
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It is.What about the eyeball thing, how is that not defying physics
That's why it's subjective reality- it isn't physics defying in the permanent sense I guess? It works on a select few but Luffy's not punching an island in half and in the next panel it's intact (like how Arale does with the earth)
THAT kinda physics defiance is what allows for full on reality warp
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But why would it not fall under the fact that it’s because of subjective reality?
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It might. His entire awakening in itself might fall under 'subjective reality' but the abilities themselves that he displays have their own names on vs wiki.
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feat > statement
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And btw, why is reality warping? I think it would count as toon force lol
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It should tbh. I feel like adding "Toon Force" (be it limited or not) and then specifying that he can make things appear, have people's eyes pop out and whatnot would probably cover 'subjective reality' within it, instead of having to explain everything seperately.
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Oh, Alright then. So for now until Luffy shows that he can use the ability we can’t add it to his profile? Cause I still think since this is statements from the most credible source of information in universe and out of universe(Oda and the elders)
But it was stated in universe and out of universe so I think it should count, we just wouldn’t know to what degree ig.
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The feats support and even sometimes proves with the statement
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But again, I would actually support it as toon force but not as reality warping
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Should I edit it to toon force and subjective reality then?
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There is already a thread discussion about it.
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Oh, should I change it to just toon force then? Since it seems in the other thread they are focusing on something else
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On other thread, conceptual manipulation is already rejected because in that context, it just means idea lol.
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Basically. Being bound only by imagination can mean anything from "getting more creative" to "literally acheiving nonsense world breaking things"
Luffy himself says "I can do everything I want" while stretching and toying around, so it could very well mean he's not limited in the sense that he doesn't need blood flow pumping, blowing into his bones and muscles-- which he isn't since we see him do all a good few of his other gears' tricks without needing to specifically perform the techniques.
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Tbh every toon force/ reality wraping (subjective) user is bound by their intelligence and imagination.
So ya agreed, limited is not really important here
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He's basically saying to close it as he changed his mind about this crt as it's even being talked about somewhere else
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I don't think staff needs to agree/disagree if OP wishes his CRT to be closed.
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I misunderstood is all
