• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Update Post-Crisis Superman to Tier 4-A: Multi-Solar System level

Status
Not open for further replies.
4-B Superman remains and a rule will be made to make sure the repeatedly mentioned-and-debunked feats and outliers are never mentioned to upgrade Superman again unless there is significant consistency.
 
KLOL506 said:
4-B Superman remains and a rule will be made to make sure the repeatedly mentioned-and-debunked feats and outliers are never mentioned to upgrade Superman again unless there is significant consistency.
Click to expand...
What about ScrewAttack?
 
ScrewAttack is not what we follow here and they are not the be-all, end-all of anything. Their views of Supes's feats are greatly blown out of proportion, and easily taken out of context. They have a history of inaccurately portraying characters, their feats and their canonically-performed-and-consistent showings of power levels and whatnot, not to mention the total disregard of powerscaling at times, even (It's gotten better but it's nowhere near our standards). We already have a rule against using any other wiki's judgment of feats, part of the reason we don't use Powerlisting's abilities unless it fits our criteria and it's missing from VSBattles.
 
A footnote has been added to his page.
 
I also think that we should remove the New Genesis feat, due to that Superman gets rescaled in size by the Boom Tubes, and due to that Death of the New Gods is considered to be non-canon.
 
Death of the New Gods isn't non-canon at all, and New Genesis is still gigantic even with the Boom Tubes, which is explained in the calculation blog.
 
AFAIK, only parts of Death of the New Gods was non-canon.
 
I agree with the above, just saying it contradicts canon isn't good enough since one could argue that for many fictions (besides I kinda want to see Soulfire Darkseid)
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Death of the New Gods isn't non-canon at all, and New Genesis is still gigantic even with the Boom Tubes, which is explained in the calculation blog.
Click to expand...
That's what I said. Supes there would be At least 5-A by sheer size alone, and the Sun on Apokolips would be to the Metropolis globe on Earth.
 
Also I assume the collision feat is where 616 Kilogoe comes from right (sorry I'm just bad with numbers and conversions)
 
Death of the New Gods completely contradicted the transdual nirvana nature of The Source, and seemed to be heavily contradicted by Final Crisis.

As usual, Jim Starlin didn't seem to care how much he messed up settings and concepts set up by other writers, even if that writer was Jack Kirby.
 
Starlin has a shaky history in regards to writing people with supposedly divine nature to my knowledge.
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Also I assume the collision feat is where 616 Kilogoe comes from right (sorry I'm just bad with numbers and conversions)
Click to expand...
No, that comes from Superman fighting Lanterns who regularly tank Flash's IMP.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Death of the New Gods isn't non-canon at all, and New Genesis is still gigantic even with the Boom Tubes, which is explained in the calculation blog.
Click to expand...
Death of the new gods is still a completely inconsistent storyline in regards to superman

it depicts him at ATLEAST New God level and a equal to a supposedly more powerful than normal darkseid.
 
Result was 1.0206e47 Joules or almost exactly 1 kilofoe
 
I still think that it seems unreliable to use Death of the New Gods.
 
Well, the anti-sunlight feat is an outlier or exaggeration. What other feats are you thinking of?
 
I am still iffy with the usage of the death of the new gods here


again, this is the same story which showed that superman can just fly through soulfire darkseid and contend with amped new gods. It just doesn't make sense.
 
I am also very uncertain about the DOTNG feat.
 
Oh yeah, The Source wanted superman to live in that comic afaik, he probably got killed and ressurected, or was transported at the last moment, the feat itself isn't very clear.
 
There's also no real reason to assume he didn't tank that (Like the Source wanted him to live but it doesn't do anything regarding that)
 
there is literally no reason to assume he tanked it

like, nothing states that, lmao. You just see him waking up and the source talking about him taking serious damage from all the shit he's done.

The Source literally express some form of "care" to superman (idk how to word this) in that scan so

Again, even if he did tank it, it isn't a quantifiable feat.
 
I agree that it seems best to remove the feat in question.
 
Didnt superman and orion fight promethian giants and held their own against them . Ares was scaled to 4A based on that feat
 
I don't remember such a feat. Can you find it, and tell us how large the giants were supposed to be in that comicbook?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Luxxy_Ethereal
  • Locked
Upgrade for Kaguya Otsutsuki to Multi-solar system 4-A.
Replies
9
Views
2K
Damage3245
Damage3245
FireSwordHero
The Main Man CRT (Lobo Revision)
Replies
8
Views
1K
Excellence616
Excellence616
Lou_change
Why is creating a galaxy, galaxy level?
Replies
7
Views
926
Astral_Trinity439
Astral_Trinity439
Maverick_Zero_X
  • Locked
Superman Additions #1 (Post-Crisis)
Replies
25
Views
3K
PapiSavitar5025
PapiSavitar5025
AerrowStorm1
  • Locked
Captain Atom revision/Update
Replies
8
Views
1K
Emirp sumitpo
Emirp sumitpo
Back
Top