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Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

wroonng
the existence of us outside viewers that can theorized it and logically map it under our system of time rather than the timeless void
implies that there is indeed a time and there is a winner because although in said fictional setting there is no time in said timeless void we as observers still observes it under our own rules of time thus we can say there is a winner and that is the immeasurable speed guy
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Antvasima said:
I would have expressed myself more mildly, but mostly agree with Crabwhale's sentiments themselves. However, I would prefer if DaMonkeMan's extenuating circumstances can be taken into account. Maybe a one or two months ban would be acceptable instead? 🙏
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I'll just say as a last thing that Monke has said multiple times to suffer from autism, so that should be taken in account too imo (no offense also because you are too iirc).

Being in his shoes, I can understand that he felt extremely uncomfortable and upset by Dread merely being here, he even told in my DMs multiple times that he was paying a lot of effort in avoiding to directly saying on-site that Dread should die in a very explicit way.

I only sent a single message here about it (also because I was busy with work), because of mainly Dread simply not deserving attention. The main form of disrepect that one could give to a troll/attention seeker was just to ignore him and go in RVR saying "hey Dread is back and he's already being an asshole", I know that being emotional here leads to just no good, due to emotions not being in check and thus controlling your own actions, causing you to act without any thinking and leading in doing very stupid shit.

Just saying this as a last thing, because I think that you guys are probably being too harsh with Monke and he definitely doesn't deserve anything more of a short ban, given the circumstances and his condition. Him asking to be perma'd is another thing obviously.
 
I would have suggested 2-3 months for Monke, had he not requested a permanent ban himself. Death threats are a particularly egregious offense on the wiki, and even in the bizarre circumstances in which they unfolded, we are required on a moral basis to take them very much seriously. We cannot condone literal, actual death threats, even against people who are goading them on and are themselves morally bankrupt. It also bears mentioning that Monke was functionally trolling, given he was nosebombing to get himself banned anyways. In light of that, I would have agreed with Ant's two months.

I dislike, for the record, autism being used as justification. We have a disproportionately large population here of mentally ill people or those with neurological disorders- many of whom are autistic, including myself. While I recognize it is a spectrum, it still falls to the individual to handle their mental illness appropriately. It is not their fault, it is their responsibility, and using it as a form of defense whenever they do something wrong (especially when that wrong thing is death threats), does not seem acceptable. It seems to me a mite offensive to imply he couldn't help himself but send out death threats because he was autistic, that's just not how it works at all. I'd appreciate it if we don't devolve into that sort of discourse.
 
Imaginym said:
Who's in motion?

Speed is Distance / Time. (Or something like that.)

The Infinite Speed user can move any/infinite distance in 0 time, so they can cross the finish line as soon as they think to do so & are able to move.

The Immeasurable Speed user is (typically) "immeasurable" because they remove time from our equation by being able to move to any point in time, &;/or along time. If Speed is Distance / Time, how do we measure it when Time is a negative value, or absent from parts of time because they skipped over those parts?

As such, The Immeasurable Speed user can cross the finish line as soon as they think to do so & are able to move, but unlike the Infinite Speed user -Who we can know the starting point of- The Immeasurable Speed user could, in theory, initiate from any point, even if we thought they started at coordinates 0,0 & 0 seconds; Time is just another axis for them to move along, & they can travel retroactively, or in 1 or more futures we haven't experienced yet.

The Omnipresent user is at the starting line, the finish line, & every point in between. (& since it's spatiotemporal omnipresence, every time in between.) As soon as they think to do so & are able to move, they can "cross" the finish line.

The Immeasurable Speed user could go to any point in the timeline, in theory, but if time travel is like movement for them, that'd mean precision of movement along the temporal axis.
As in, if the race, for us, begins at 0 seconds, but in actuality, begins at 0.0000000001 seconds, the Immeasurable Speed user has to find the earliest possible point where the race has started, which might require finagling their temporal axis movement for a precise position along the timeline.
Sure, they can be at the finish line practically any time, but again, we don't know how precisely they can move.

I suppose in theory, it could also just be waiting to perceive the signal the race has started.
But the important part is they have to measurably (Lol.) start when the race does while finishing before the others, so that they can be recorded winning, which might be tricky getting into the right time, & then get to a time before the others arrive.

It's just that, as long as we only observe the race from our 1 timeline, in a linear view of time, we don't know how much finagling of their temporal position the Immeasurable Speed user did, because they can do so retroactively, by being in the past, which we aren't experiencing anymore, or the future, which we aren't experiencing yet.

Similar issues happen for the Infinite Speed user, except they can't move through 1 or more temporal axes; If they miss the precise timing to start, they didn't start as early as possible, though they can finish as quickly as they like. (IDK who finishes first with different starting times but if both are Infinite Speed.)

But that's the issue. They can finish as fast as they want. In theory, this should cap at actual 0 time, but the Immeasurable Speed user could finish in negative time, if not for having to wait for the race to start.

The Omnipresent Speed user, however, in this case has temporal omnipresence, so they don't have to fiddle with their temporal position, & can just always be at the earliest possible starting time & earliest possible finishing time, no fiddling needed, including "negative" time, Like before the race starts or before the Omnipresent Speed user or any of them decided to start moving.
They only have to start moving. (& assuming they're omnipresent across possibilites, they will, even if in different timelines.)


So in summary:
The Infinite Speed user can finish as fast as they want, but since time progresses for them linearly & they're not able to move through it, when they think to start matters most for them than the other two. If they have to wait for the race to start, precision of thinking/deciding when to start matters a lot more.
Also, only finishing in 0 time, lol.
The Immeasurable Speed user can finish in negative time, as well as go into the past or future that The Infinite Speed user doesn't experience (They're in the present.), but since Immeasurable means being Immeasurable because Time (Or Distance, in theory, I guess?) don't factor into their travel (They can move along at least 1 temporal axis.) we don't know how much "time"/effort The Immeasurable Speed user spent getting into the perfect starting &/or finishing positions. Precision's a pain. Plus, they're kind of hindered by needing to be measured in the race, which is tricky when you may not be in the present, or the right timeline. (& also, the timing of thinking/deciding to start.)
The Omnipresent User, being Temporally Omnipresent, is in every starting, progressing, & finishing point & timeline, so they don't have to worry about precision; They're already at the ideal points, they only need to think/decide to start, assuming you need to be in motion to "cross the finish line".

So yeah, third place for The Infinite Speed user (Room for error in starting point, can't finish in "negative" time.), second place for The Immeasurable Speed user (Can finish in negative time, among other things. But starting point precision's a pain & they could waste unseen time on it, & they need to be measured to verify they finished the race.), & first place for The Omnipresent Speed user because the Omnipresent Speed user has the least issue with starting points, or being verified, because they're already at the points for those.
(& of course, who decides/thinks to begin moving also matters. But that's kind of more Intelligence or maybe awareness than Speed.)
They only need to begin moving (If that's a prerequisite to officially "cross the finish line"; They're already on it, being omnipresent & all.), & if they're temporally omnipresent, they can be moving at the earliest possible point, without needing to find it through movement on a temporal axis.



So yeah, hope that's satisfactory &/or interesting, might be a little idiosyncratic, I guess.
Thoughts, all?
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Ngl this yapping is actually a good explanation lol.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I would have suggested 2-3 months for Monke, had he not requested a permanent ban himself. Death threats are a particularly egregious offense on the wiki, and even in the bizarre circumstances in which they unfolded, we are required on a moral basis to take them very much seriously. We cannot condone literal, actual death threats, even against people who are goading them on and are themselves morally bankrupt. It also bears mentioning that Monke was functionally trolling, given he was nosebombing to get himself banned anyways. In light of that, I would have agreed with Ant's two months.

I dislike, for the record, autism being used as justification. We have a disproportionately large population here of mentally ill people or those with neurological disorders- many of whom are autistic, including myself. While I recognize it is a spectrum, it still falls to the individual to handle their mental illness appropriately. It is not their fault, it is their responsibility, and using it as a form of defense whenever they do something wrong (especially when that wrong thing is death threats), does not seem acceptable. It seems to me a mite offensive to imply he couldn't help himself but send out death threats because he was autistic, that's just not how it works at all. I'd appreciate it if we don't devolve into that sort of discourse.
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Bro murdered the entire wiki with words.
 
You know, I was thinking. Could have Dread beaten the allegations if he didn't come to react in the literal worst way possible? I admit I might have overreacted to that situation since uuuhhhhhhhhh lets say I personally know several people very close to me that have suffered throughout all their life due to the things Dread has "Joked" about doing to others (Or maybe I reacted correctly, and I am giving too much of a benefit of a doubt right now)

But would have he been able to save face even a little if he addressed the allegations with more seriousness? Like, I feel that if you're accused on the internet of pedophilia and incest, you should address them with a post or something, a debunk Google Doc document or something. If I was in Dread's place (First of all, I wouldn't have "Joked" about doing inappropriate things to family members. That's a line that shouldn't be crossed) I would have made a post clarifying that those statements were jokes rather than bait people.

Though I am unsure if they're jokes... They didn't really have a set-up, punch line or anything. And a bunch of other people in the screenshots believed what he said. It sounded more like bragging about committing a crime. Though to be fair, I have seen a lot of dumb people that claim they do horrendous stuff or crimes as a "Joke", usually immature kids though. I feel like when you are joking, especially when you are saying you are doing a crime, it should be very obvious what your intentions are. What is the intention of joking about doing a crime if people can't tell if it's an actual crime admission or not?

Either way, I think Dread should make a public statement or an apology that addresses these allegations, even if he is banned (Dunno if Dread is seeing this, but you should definitely address all the allegations). This will follow him for the rest of his life if he doesn't shut them down. That is, if the allegations are false. If they are true, he should turn himself to the police at a minimum.
 
Ebihara said:
they came back just to cause problems, get reactions and troll. I don't think they really care about what we think about them beyond us giving them a angry or funny reaction. His intentions where to come back and troll and cause problems and that's what happened.
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I see, well if he doesn't address the allegations with any hint of seriousness then he should expect people to threat the allegations as true. You know, get called an incestuous pedophile and all of that.

I don't think he truly doesn't care about what we think. When he got called those things, he responded defensively about it.
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
the last thing you want is him living rent free in your head with your what if scenarios
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Oh, don't worry about that. I will forget about him in a week or two if he stops talking. I am only talking about him because he is recent news and I wanted to comment on his actions, but I will def forget about him when we start talking about the next trend of the week or of the day. Unapologetically evil people like that aren't worth being a memory.
 
If I was dread I would actually avoid coming here in the first place with minimal interraction in the wiki.

Just work on a few profiles or revisions and only address any allegations only if necessary. Fighting people on the internet is a waste of time anyways so better to just keep everything short and sweet.

But What he intended to do is the same as jumping into a hornet's nest just because its "funny".

He had it coming.
 
Ebihara said:
Didn't you say you werent a furry a couple pages back??
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She's the exception not the rule.
Shmooply said:
Anytime Deidalus says "I'm not" that means he's lying and actually saying the opposite, kinda like Bizarro. Take all of these confirmed examples:
  • "I'm not Puerto Rican"
  • "I'm not a furry"
  • "I'm not beating it to Tendou Alice right now"
  • "I'm not associated with any transphobic femboys"
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I had some infighting with the femboys. I am no longer associated with them.
 
Low-key every time someone says "Well, that isn't a furry, it's a scalie" I bang my head because both are the same category. It's like roses to blue roses.
 
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