Unknow Battle : The Fireman vs Rindou Kouga

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

Yeah, Masadaverse is Beyond-Dimensional, with even Beyond-Dimensional beings who view even a 1-A+ Structure (Singularity) to be nothing more than fiction, being of 1 Taikyoku, and beings with a higher Taikyoku view those below them as fiction, this cycle of reality-fiction transcendence continues on for 90 levels untill it reaches the LLT.

 

[Planck69]

Qualitative power difference fits the description of Taikyoku better than reality-fiction difference since all the Hadou Gods are on the same plane of reality. But the point remains the same.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Type 8 is never really applicable in VS Matches due to it requiring one to bring in extra characters. So she should only be using 1 and 3.

We definitely use that in vs matches, it doesn't require bringing outside forces for that but there was a thread talking about it, in any case she can't be killed here

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

It just often makes matches unfair, how are you supposed to kill a Type 8 without the source existing in the battle as well?

 

[Everything12]

If he's definitely above his Fireman High 1-A key, why is it unknown? If it's because you can't tell if their Tier High 1-A or Tier 0, why not do something like "Tier: High 1-A, possibly/likely 0"?

 

[Planck69]

If he's definitely above his Fireman High 1-A key, why is it unknown? If it's because you can't tell if their Tier High 1-A or Tier 0, why not do something like "Tier: High 1-A, possibly/likely 0"?

Idk, ask Ultima. Someone brought this up on the upgrade thread as well.

 

[SleepyTBubble]

It just often makes matches unfair, how are you supposed to kill a Type 8 without the source existing in the battle as well?

That's the issue of whoever battling type 8.

They have to deal with it however they can

 

[PsychoWarper]

Since when is being unfair make something not usable in a battle? If that was a case most smurfs couldnt use their Hax.

LLT for example is capable if negating Type 8, anyway I dont think reducing Rindou to Fiction would help since LLT has High Outerversal range for being able to hit Marie who was in her own realm that existed outside the Singularity and Mercurius' Law.

 

[Planck69]

LLT for example is capable if negating Type 8, anyway I dont think reducing Rindou to Fiction would help since LLT has High Outerversal range for being able to hit Marie who was in her own realm that existed outside the Singularity and Mercurius' Law.

I mean, only Zach is saying that. Fireman still has win-cons outside of that.

 

[PsychoWarper]

What are his other win cons?

 

[Planck69]

What are his other win cons?

morality-hax and plot manip mostly.

 

[Overlord775]

Morality hax wouldn't work as she resisted Hajun's law which had that effect

What can he do with the Plot hax ?

 

[Planck69]

Morality hax wouldn't work as she resisted Hajun's law which had that effect
What can he do with the Plot hax ?

Oh, oof.

......Plot things Probably making it so that she stops trying to fight him or something Idk.

 

[SleepyTBubble]

She doesn't resist Hajun law._.

 

[Planck69]

Reverse oof.

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

Wasn't it a ressitance to his Law due to her existance as the Apoptosis of the Tumor, which is why she remained a good person despite everyone around her becoming incredibly selfish Srgalah. Was it just out of virtue?

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

It might not be flat-out resistance, but she seems to not be effected by it.

 

[SleepyTBubble]

Her origin is not from Hajun or any soul he's taken after forcibly taking Throne but from Tumor. Her mentality (and why she's abnormal i guess) is a result of that

Dunno how would that consitute a resistance since it's more of being an exception

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

That makes sense, I knew she was from the Tumor, same as Habaki. So I guess any form of Resistance to his Law (Morality, Mind, etc) should not be considered, as it was more due to the nature of the two beings, rather than any sort of ability.

Thanks Sleepy.

 

[PsychoWarper]

How fats will Fireman drop Morality or Plot Hax? This may be an Incon as im fairly certain both have one shot win cons.

 

[RicardoSama]

I might vote incon for now, Idk until more info provided

 

[Planck69]

How fats will Fireman drop Morality or Plot Hax? This may be an Incon as im fairly certain both have one shot win cons.

Speed is unequal so he could just try everyone of his win-cons till something sticks. In speed equal he'd likely start with plot-hax or immersion.

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

I am leaning towards Fireman due to him being far faster, having Irrelevnat speeds, with Rindou being slower than Mibu, who is a 5 and moves at MHS+ (Dodged Tenma Morei's non-Taikyoku imbued lightning attacks as well as conventional lightning, can strike within a ten-thousandth of a second)

Rindou is a 3, thus is likely only 60% his speed if the stats are linear, if they are exponential she would be even slower.

She is Unknown, but we know she is no faster than, or even equal to, Mibu.

 

[Zoey_of_Scadrial]

Both would be 1-Shots, Rindou has pretty low durability, thus cannot withstand any attacks from Fireman, and Rindou has a weapon that would 1-Shot Fireman.

Thus it is dependent upon speed. If speed is equalized that it is Incon, if speed is not equalized it is Fireman.

 

[RicardoSama]

In which case I am assuming it is not = so Ima go with fireman unless proven wrong

 

[PsychoWarper]

The Fireman in his Unknown key is Unknown meaning you cant really just say the Fireman is faster, it would be fat simpler to just equalise since both are Unknown.

Also if he goes Immersion and believes hes won he gets one shot with LLT.

 

[RicardoSama]

Welp I take back my vote, Hmmmmmmm.

 

[RicardoSama]

Well speed in like movement and combat speed may be = but maybe not attack speed so Ima wait for that

 

[PsychoWarper]

I say equalise speed overall since both are Unknown so it would make things much easier.

 

[RicardoSama]

Pretty much, so we gotta wait for the op

 

[Planck69]

The Fireman in his Unknown key is Unknown meaning you cant really just say the Fireman is faster, it would be fat simpler to just equalise since both are Unknown.
Also if he goes Immersion and believes hes won he gets one shot with LLT.

Uh, no. We know he's at least Irrelevant. We know she's at most MHS+. He's faster.

He has more of a likelihood to use plot-hax since it's his bread-and-butter. If speed is equal, I'm going for Incon since they both have a likelihood of incaping or one-shotting the other with their abilities. I'm asuming she opens with the LLT right?

 

[PsychoWarper]

Then wtf is his speed only Unknown, why not just say "Unknown, likely Irrelevant, possibly Higher" or "Irrelevant, possibly Higher".

Yes she opens with LLT afaik but Sleepy would know better so he can correct me if im wrong.

 

[Planck69]

Then wtf is his speed only Unknown, why not just say "Unknown, likely Irrelevant, possibly Higher" or "Irrelevant, possibly Higher".
Yes she opens with LLT afaik but Sleepy would know better so he can correct me if im wrong.

Again, ask Ultima.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ech

I say just make it Equal to make things simpler but eh.

 

[Planck69]

Ech
I say just make it Equal to make things simpler but eh.

What do we write on the Top 5 list?

 

[PsychoWarper]

Tied for first?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Isn't this literally what happens in KKk? She fights the Tenmas, gets squashed and comes back but here she has a weapon that insta kills.

 

[Planck69]

Isn't this literally what happens in KKk? She fights the Tenmas, gets squashed and comes back but here she has a weapon that insta kills.

I mean, here it's plot-hax just writing away her will to fight.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I don't know much about KKk but I'm pretty sure she will start with the H1-A stuff meaning, if Fire Boi doesn't start with plot hax she will just gank his ass with it and be done

 

[PsychoWarper]

From the sounds of it Fire Boi starts with Plot hax so id say Incon for 1st Unknown.