Undertale human SOUL

[The_Everlasting]

Then how does Frisk not die in one attack?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Likely that Frisk was determined to survive against Asriel enough to get bumped up to his level, but being in a Pacifist run (And Frisk by then showed signs of being able to partially or completely ignores commands from the player) not determined to hurt him, thus letting him be at his "normal" level of attack.

 

[Drac32Drac]

But how can you scale souls against determination when the parties involved have both?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well a Human using Determination is quite different from a monster using human SOULs. Humans produces determination the more they are determined, which is what powers their SOUL. Thus, the more they are determined, the more they become powerful. Monsters on the other end don't seem to produces and uses Determination directly (A monster melts with determination directly in them anyway), just using the SOULs to boosts their power.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Pacifist Frisk's defense >>>>>>>>>>>> pacifist Frisk's attack. That's kinda part of the entire point of their character. Not fighting back unless they need to, so they're obviously going to be taking a lot more damage than they're dishing out.

 

[Drac32Drac]

But, Flowey(the one that all the feats are based against) DOES use determination. It's why he can SAVE and LOAD. I don't see how it can make sense when DETERMINATION can vary from encounter to encounter and is not quantifiable.

 

[Squid_peanut]

But, Flowey(the one that all the feats are based against) DOES use determination. It's why he can SAVE and LOAD. I don't see how it can make sense when DETERMINATION can vary from encounter to encounter and is not quantifiable.

humans have far more powerful souls and thus more determination to access then monsters however monsters are far better at manipulating soul power and determination due to their magical physiology, thus Flowey, who has the magic know how of a monster and the power of part of a human soul, can be determined over normal human levels naturally

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yes, Flowey DOES have determination, but that amount is extremely neglegible when he goes Photoshop, it does not matter in knowing his power here. Like I said, Determination indeed varies in strength with the encounters, but absorbed human SOULs are different.

 

[Angry_Dummy]

I still don't see any response to Photoshop Flowey having finite health and defense, and he has six souls.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Neither don't Undying have infinite stuff despite being 2-B. Doesn't debunk 2-B Undying.

 

[Angry_Dummy]

Neither don't Undying have infinite stuff despite being 2-B. Doesn't debunk 2-B Undying.

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Me no habla Aleman.

 

[Verivici]

What exacly is the problem here?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

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Me no habla Aleman.

Basically: Stats are not linear in power ups. Undying is Multiversal, yet she is a non-finite number of stats above Asgore. Unless you want to assume 19 attack stats makes the jump between Small Country and Multiversal, it is clear that increasing from ATK 2 to ATK 3 isn't the same as increasing from ATK 90 to ATK 91.

So you can't say that Flowey has finite power because his stats are finite.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I believe the point he was saying was that, if the boost every SOUL granted was infinite, Flowey would be completely impossible to harm, much like Asriel.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well again Frisk's determination let them reaches higher level than just plain old 3D power, again via Frisk taking hits from Asriel or fighting Undying (The later should have Infinite power via being Multiversal) so Frisk hurting Flowey isn't that much of a stretch for Determination.

 

[The_Everlasting]

You're missing my point.

Asriel's power is obviously infinite, and Frisk is unable to harm him in any way.

If this were to be the result of one Human SOUL = one dimensional level, then Flowey should have also been invulnerable.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's mostly because it's Pacifist Frisk. They didn't want to hurt Asriel, nor did they needed to, so it's likely that their power didn't "Catch up" to Asriel's but their defense did.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Another note to adds it up, it's likely that Dead Human SOULs (Or at least the 6 SOULs the monsters have) are on part with stronger human SOULs (And as proven, strong humann SOULs can be up to 2-B)

Seems like the 6 SOULs can destroy the barrier with the help of a 7th SOUL, and IIRC it was stated that you needed as much energy used to create the barrier than to destroy it. So by that, the 6 SOULs would be comparable to the 7 Wizards who created the barrier (Who were described as humanity's most determined SOULs).

Not only that, but apparently a random SOUL could have been used to destroy the barrier, yet Asriel gained the same amount of power with the monsters SOULs. Unless we want to assume a random human could solo the Underground, seems like even a random Dead SOUL can be used to match a determined living SOUL.