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Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

Arkenis said:
Me when I argue counter-force
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Alright Andy likely scales if people agree then it'll scale the verse up to this point. They also hurt Summer after this so I'm gonna have to make some scaling to see who does and doesn't.
 
Alright so Summer in True Phase 3 would scale has he doesn't get harmed by the staff.
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Billy can use unchange to create stronger blood to cut through Summer.
So only Billy would outright scale to it and that's via Unchange. This would be applied in the form of Unchange air blades or Unchange water blades stuff like that should work and Unchange's air barrier should scale.


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Top doesn't scale as he needed Isshin's armor, and he had help from Rip by using his blade to damage Summer which otherwise probably wouldn't have worked without the armor. at best a possibly with the suit.

(I'll just show mass method results here in case that's what ends up getting accepted)

Billy: Physically 8-A, High 7-C with Unchange
Top: Normally 8-A, High 7-C in Suit
Summer: Physically 8-A, High 7-C in True Third Phase

People who scale in lifting strength would be

Billy
Andy
Victor
Unruin
Seal
Feng
Mui
Nico
 
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Arkenis said:
Alright so Summer in True Phase 3 would scale has he doesn't get harmed by the staff.
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Billy can use unchange to create stronger blood to cut through Summer.
So only Billy would outright scale to it and that's via Unchange. This would be applied in the form of Unchange air blades or Unchange water blades stuff like that should work and Unchange's air barrier should scale.


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Top doesn't scale as he needed Isshin's armor, and he had help from Rip by using his blade to damage Summer which otherwise probably wouldn't have worked without the armor. at best a possibly with the suit.

(I'll just show mass method results here in case that's what ends up getting accepted)

Billy: Physically 8-A, High 7-C with Unchange
Top: Normally 8-A, High 7-C in Suit
Summer: Physically 8-A, High 7-C in True Third Phase

People who scale in lifting strength would be

Billy
Andy
Victor
Unruin
Seal
Feng
Mui
Nico
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Do you mean Spring?
 
Arkenis said:
So the staff basically works via the user applying I assume their willpower or some other unknown natural power to increase it's size.
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And since it's kinda hard to prove it can scale to ap I would scale it to lifting strength.

And here is the staff extending far into space which would probably scale below the feat he did here going by context but Idk how realisitic that would be to assume
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The one extending to space would yield a more impressive result since it's WAY larger.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Try using square cube law for mass again. You can also try KE, but if KE's considered an inaccurate way of measuring its AP due to how it functions, instead use the creation feats page to gets the AP based on its mass.
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Now going with the mid end which is mach 523 or 179389m/s

(179389m/s / 0.12259m)^3*5.368kg =

so should I take the m/s of the mach?
 
Arkenis said:
Now going with the mid end which is mach 523 or 179389m/s

(179389m/s / 0.12259m)^3*5.368kg =

so should I take the m/s of the mach?
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Yes, KE only works if you use m/s.

Don't use m/s in square cube law tho. You take the new length of the staff. The length of the staff is already calculated in the same blog. The blade is 2692218.9832 meters long in that feat as shown in the blog.

To get speed, just convert mach to m/s. Which gives you a speed of 179389 m/s. Which is the KE. Though again, since I'm not sure if KE will be useable due to how the staff is growing that mass, I'd use the creation feats page to get its AP based on its mass. Tho you can use KE as a high-end.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yes, KE only works if you use m/s.

Don't use m/s in square cube law tho. You take the new length of the staff. The length of the staff is already calculated in the same blog. The blade is 2692218.9832 meters long in that feat as shown in the blog.

To get speed, just convert mach to m/s. Which gives you a speed of 179389 m/s. Which is the KE. Though again, since I'm not sure if KE will be useable due to how the staff is growing that mass, I'd use the creation feats page to get its AP based on its mass. Tho you can use KE as a high-end.
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(2692218.9832m / 0.12259m)^3*5.368kg = 5.68562901 × 10^22 kg or 56,856,290,100,000,000,000,000kg, '''Class Z'''

So this is from square cubed law but I shouldn't do ke with that cuz of how it grows.

And creation page says it's higher than what's given (High 6-A, 2.7E+22) and I get 5.6 × 10^22
 
AnAverageUsername said:
That's definitely an outlier
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💀 My exact reaction to it. Though the staff was made by the God of the verse to oppose him and he's easily star lvl. Regardless only the staff should scale. Another thing is that this amount of kg would likely have messed with Earths rotation no?
 
Arkenis said:
(2692218.9832m / 0.12259m)^3*5.368kg = 5.68562901 × 10^22 kg or 56,856,290,100,000,000,000,000kg, '''Class Z'''

So this is from square cubed law but I shouldn't do ke with that cuz of how it grows.

And creation page says it's higher than what's given (High 6-A, 2.7E+22) and I get 5.6 × 10^22
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I guess it'd be considered a High 6-A feat than.
 
Arkenis said:
💀 My exact reaction to it. Though the staff was made by the God of the verse to oppose him and he's easily star lvl. Regardless only the staff should scale. Another thing is that this amount of kg would likely have messed with Earths rotation no?
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It weighs less than the Moon in mass. I don't think it'd mess up Earth's rotation.
 
Arkenis said:
went with low end. should I make a crt for why the small city is more useable?
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Don't think you need to make a CRT for it. Think you just gotta ask the CGM what end they think is more useable, and if you want them to pick a certain end, use evidence as for why it's a better end to use.
 
Arkenis said:
(2692218.9832m / 0.12259m)^3*5.368kg = 5.68562901 × 10^22 kg or 56,856,290,100,000,000,000,000kg, '''Class Z'''

So this is from square cubed law but I shouldn't do ke with that cuz of how it grows.

And creation page says it's higher than what's given (High 6-A, 2.7E+22) and I get 5.6 × 10^22
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You could still use this blog here to get a higher tier since the staff was moving much faster. But instead of using square cube law, use the mass you calculated for when the staff stretched out to space.
 
LaserPrecision said:
You could still use this blog here to get a higher tier since the staff was moving much faster. But instead of using square cube law, use the mass you calculated for when the staff stretched out to space.
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Ihttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arkenis/Shen%27s_Staff%27s_Speed did it here
 
Arkenis said:
if the island lvl gets accepted then we might be able to. And aren't they town lvl in the beginning?
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Yeah, there's town level Mash characters. But theres only 2 6-C Mashle characters currently, with only 1 of them having a profile. And one can steal the speed of others and give it to himself, while the other just turns anyone into a puppet with imperceptible strings.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Yeah, there's town level Mash characters. But theres only 2 6-C Mashle characters currently, with only 1 of them having a profile. And one can steal the speed of others and give it to himself, while the other just turns anyone into a puppet with imperceptible strings.
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Eh Billy looks their way and they kill themselves 🥱
 
Fighting for the weak would actually make it worse, he'd likely go for suicide on himself.
 
Arkenis said:
Fighting for the weak would actually make it worse, he'd likely go for suicide on himself.
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Meh, his original goal was to persecute the weak because he thought all crime lied at the bottom of the social latter, but his goals have lightened up. I said fight for the weak earlier as a quick response. But if Abel does start with Marioness Change, I'm pretty sure the strings would hit Billy/Juiz first due to them being supposedly imperceptible.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Meh, his original goal was to persecute the weak because he thought all crime lied at the bottom of the social latter, but his goals have lightened up. I said fight for the weak earlier as a quick response. But if Abel does start with Marioness Change, I'm pretty sure the strings would hit Billy/Juiz first due to them being supposedly imperceptible.
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are they intangible? and wdym by imperceptible, just invisible?
 
Arkenis said:
are they intangible? and wdym by imperceptible, just invisible?
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Not intangible, they're just fast reaching, as evident by the spell taking place almost immediately after it was spoken, and by imperceptible strings, they're very thin to where they can't really be seen.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Not intangible, they're just fast reaching, as evident by the spell taking place almost immediately after it was spoken, and by imperceptible strings, they're very thin to where they can't really be seen.
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Would be blocked by unchange, Billy should be able to just move them away, or get out of range, from what I'm reading it's only a hundred meters. But Unjustice should do him in pretty easily.
 
Arkenis said:
Would be blocked by unchange, Billy should be able to just move them away, or get out of range, from what I'm reading it's only a hundred meters. But Unjustice should do him in pretty easily.
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Eh, would Billy know what it would do though? Again, once Abel mutters those words, the strings will come down fast, and will not only turn the target into a puppet, but also disconnect their brain from their body.

Though, discussions like these should be left for when the profiles actually get posted.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Eh, would Billy know what it would do though? Again, once Abel mutters those words, the strings will come down fast, and will not only turn the target into a puppet, but also disconnect their brain from their body.

Though, discussions like these should be left for when the profiles actually get posted.
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He'd just have unchange up already, It's like a defensive barrier of air that blocks everything out and since it isn't instaneous Unjustice would be faster since it's perception based or Unmove as well. Does he just control it all with his mind or does he need hand gesture? last comment we'll stop after
 
Arkenis said:
He'd just have unchange up already, It's like a defensive barrier of air that blocks everything out and since it isn't instaneous Unjustice would be faster since it's perception based or Unmove as well. Does he just control it all with his mind or does he need hand gesture? last comment we'll stop after
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well the strings come down automatically, and from then he can control the puppetfied opponent without any hand gestures
 
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