Ultra Sonic vs Chaos Knuckles

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Might as well make it since I was asked who would win. Both 2-A and Chaos Knux is one with the Chaos Force. Who wins?

Sonic: 9 (The real cal howard, ShakeResounding, Maverick Zero X, Cueio 2020, Hst master, CrimsonStarFallen, MYHERO, GyroNutz, GlaceonGamez471)

Knuckles: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[ShakeResounding]

Quick question.

Does Chaos Knuckles have the same abilities as his Super Form? It doesn't say he has any previous abilities, and that's important for my verdict when I give it.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Chaos Knuckles has all of the abilities of his super form.

 

[HST_Master]

Incon. Problem with archie 2-As is that they share abilities which make it hard to have them fight unless specifically stated to be stronger than the other(Sonic bullying Enerjak and Chaos Knuckles stomping Turbo Tails for examples)

 

[MYHERO]

I agree with Hst here.

 

[ShakeResounding]

So let's get down to the nitty gritty here.

Sonic can't kill Knuckles here, and Knuckles can't kill Sonic. It's like Hst said, it's hard for Archie 2-As to have a match against each other due to shared resistances. The only thing going for Knuckles here is his constant rise in power, which Sonic will realize when his hits start to hurt more over time. That in turn will cause Sonic to go on the defensive and use his more potent hax which, surprise surprise, is then resisted. What Ultra Somic has is BFR, but guess what? Knuckles just comes back.

Sonic's hax wont work here, but neither will Knuckles'. Even if Knuckles did manage to somehow kill Sonic, Type 8 says hello and they repeat the cycle until the end of time.

Inconclusive.

 

[Cueio_2020]

Incon FRA

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sonic erased the Chaos Force before. Knuckles relies on it. So well...Sonic.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Crap, wait, I forgot about that!

Sonic bypassed the resistance of even True Enerjak and wiped him clean off of the map, safe to say that can happen here as well. With enough pressure, woosh, there goes Knuckles and the entirety of the Chaos Force. Switch me over to Sonic.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Blue streak speeds by fra

 

[Cueio_2020]

Changing my vote to Sanic FRA

 

[HST_Master]

Damn that's right.

GG Knuckles FRA

 

[MYHERO]

Guys let's take a moment to realize that the guy that doesn't like Sonic was the one who brought up something we the Sonic fans looked over completely and changed this whole thread around.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Knock knock Knuckles, unlike Sonic i die FRA

 

[MYHERO]

This thread is a gem

Cal FRA

 

[MYHERO]

Can this gets added?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

After grace is over.

 

[MYHERO]

That will mend my broken heart

 

[GyroNutz]

Sonic FRA

 

[MYHERO]

Is grace over?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Give it a few more hours.

 

[MYHERO]

Alright

 

[ShakeResounding]

@HEROA Your vote right before Crimson's is where grace began, so about 5 hours left.

 

[MYHERO]

Nani

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Sonic FRA

 

[MYHERO]

This can now be added.

 

[GyroNutz]

It's been requested already

 

[MYHERO]

gewd

 

[ZaStando27]

Ultra Sonic Is Stronger Than Super Sonic

Super Sonic >= True Enerjak > Enerjak >>> Chaos Knuckles With Chaos Force >>>>> Chaos Knuckles

Ultra Sonic has my vote

 

[Foneybone1]

What's the source for Sonic erasing the Chaos Force? I've never heard of this feat, or when he "bypassed the resistance of even True Enerjak and wiped him clean off of the map"

Edit: Nevermind, I figured it out.

I'm also a little confused at what the difference between "Chaos Knuckles With Chaos Force" and "Chaos Knuckles" are. Without the Chaos Force, there is no Chaos Knuckles, unless I'm just completely wrong. I also don't know how Super Sonic is supposedly stronger than True Enerjak when A. they have never fought and B. It took help from Hyper Knuckles and Turbo Tails for Super Sonic to defeat Master Mogul, who is stronger than the weakened Enerjak Sonic fought in issue 184. There's also little to no basis for Enerjak being stronger than Chaos Knuckles. If anything there's evidence supporting them being relatively the same in power, but that's neither here nor there. Edit: Still don't know what ZaStando27 is talking about, unless "Chaos Knuckles With Chaos Force" refers to the buffed version in this vs and "Chaos Knuckles" refers to the one actually in the comics.

This should be a stomp for Knuckles as per the OP. Chaos Knuckles is not normally "one with the chaos force" he has an extremely strong connection it, but he is not one with it the way Mogul was in issues 149 and 150 so this is a major buff. Unless Sonic is able to just erase the Chaos Force this is a major stomp in Knuckle's favor. Edit: While yes he's not normally one with the force, he's an embodiment of energy the way Chaos Emeralds are. I'm also not sure why I used Mogul as my example. Regardless, making him one with the force for this fight is an unnecessary buff.

Ultra Sonic is not necessarily stronger than Super Sonic. The Super Emeralds are not stronger Chaos Emeralds. While the Super Emeralds do allow Sonic to go super and ultra in issue 71, Ian Flyyn's explanation of the Super Emeralds and Ultra Sonic implies that they are magical in nature. The encyclopedia specifically notes that the Super Emeralds are not Chaos Emeralds and that Ultra Sonic has "magical elemental talent" Edit: Sonic also goes super with the Super Emeralds in issue 79, this time with all 7 and with no notable increase in power from when he uses Chao Emeralds. The point still stands.

Ultra Sonic also lasts for a very short time before leaving Sonic fatigued in base form. Without a quick means of defeating Knuckles, which he does not have, he will lose.

Knuckles wins 10/10

EDIT: Linked to my thoughts on the Chaos Force feat and clarified other points.

 

[MYHERO]

Bump

 

[MYHERO]

Someone needs to respond to Foneybone.

 

[Junkoposter]

The one who actually got in smash as a fighter FRA