I can see him killing her but if you don't and others don't that's fine, I've given the other use of Blue which is just hitting her limbs to incap her.
And her page says this so I go with that
Yeah? Her mana isn't nulled her though, she has 8-A durability. It's only when she's out of mana completely, or can't use it at all that she drops to 10-A.
There's also the fact that someone like Freiren says they'd be unable to cast any spells if caught by surprise by Stark. Ubel is far from Frieren's level or Fern I assume so there's no way she'd be capable of throwing up defensive magic in time, and also it would still be broken given this is Current Gojo.
She's on the level of Fern, exceeds her in same cases too, (Fern for example is quicker and excels at rapid fire), she's actually considered stupidly dangerous, on the same level of Captain Phrase.
That also isn't how that works, it's something they have by default in a fight, before doing nything else, they do this, and it takes no time at all.
The instant she knows she's in a fight, they amp themselves with mana, this is instinctual. The Stark example is out of context,
it's specifically for being blindsided and sneak attacked and taken by surprise, whatever. And ya know what, even that isn't true, she's saying a warrior, not any standard attack. Of course someone like Stark or a highly skilled warrior would require specialized defensive magic to fend off.
That is not the case here, she knows she's in a fight. Literally every mage ever, not once ever, failed to go into a fight without amping.
And they can do so, extremely fast, Frieren for example managed to do so in the time it took someone to pivot their finger. Ubel is also, as with most things relating to her, an outlier, she is literally for the most part a physical mage, she doesn't even use normal defensive magic or normal attacks, she fights almost like a warrior even.
This argument doesn't work, it isn't in play, and the worst part it is, it wouldn't matter, she could have 10-C durability at all times, that won't stop her from stunning and attacking once.
I mean Gojo's speed is fast enough for that travel feat.
Yeah and so is hers?
She can move so fast she basically teleports and is on people's asses who have hypersonic reactions and combat speed?
Speed equal doesn't negate travel speed feats.
It doesn't, or well it does actually, they get equalized relative to the combat speeds, but on sight incap does in fact negate it, and so does her own travel speed.
And that was just a random number, point is Gojo can travel those speeds to keep his distance or surprise Ubel before she has time to react.
What are you talking about? She is literally just as fast in movement as him as of late, her combat speed is quicker than his movement speed anyway, why would she be surprised? She'd react fine. This is also ignoring she literally looks at him and he can't move.
And why would he do that? Why try to get away? He doesn't know. Regardless, he ain't surprising her in speed equal, he ain't moving so fast he outpaces her in speed equal. And if speed wasn't equal, he'd get blitzed.
He's not assuming anything, Six Eyes lets him see how abilities work, and see foreign energy, the guy's still got ptsd from Toji, why would he not keep his distance against someone wielding a spear and foreign energy coming off them?
Why are we assuming he can sense or see mana? It's a completely different energy form.
Nothing on the profile suggests he could, it all talks about cursed energy. He could see her cursed energy, read her stuff that way, but nothing there says he'd see mana given mana is a impercetible form of energy unlike anything Six Eyes has worked on, and can even be made doubly imperceptible, sometimes triple. Like, is Six Eyes able to see gravity?
He is assuming, her attacks also aren't even recognized as magic last I checked? And he'd also need to assume that she can somehow kill him at that distance as well.
What I wrote up pretty much covers this but I'll expand on this. Gojo moves around and utilizes the area for cover, she isn't getting her hit off before he's analyzed her magic or sent off a blue.
Not gonna work. Her literally seeing him is quicker than him "moving around and finding cover".
Gojo isn't analyzing her magic (Literally nothing to analyze, it doesn't even follow rules or logic or the very magic system it's based on), before she looks at him. He also isn't doing that AND doing blue before she looks at him and flicks her wrist. Her moves are quicker, they take less motion.
And yeah normal civilians, Gojo's not gonna look at a random girl holding a spear and odd energy coming off her and not to be cautious.
I thought we weren't equalizing the energy systems here because they're to different? If that's the case, he'd need to be able to bypass her mana cloaking first. Also figure out, analyze something that defies absolute logic and fundamental principles, all before she does anything at all.
A spear is just that, not even a spear, more like a staff. Thugs and shit have weapons too. Her staff isn't special, there's no power there, she could use her very own hands to do it if need be, or a stick off the ground. If Gojo analyzes her weapon, all he's gonna find is a normal stick.
That's your default assumption when everything is basic weaponry to you, sorcerers are constantly engaging with others who wield special weapons and Gojo literally fought a guy with an endless chain and a special knife that bypasses Infinity.
Why assume she's a sorcerer and not just some punk ass Hot-Topic ass wannabe thug?
There isn't anything
inherently blatant about her that would make Gojo go "oh yep she's literally Sukuna but dumb".
Her CE would be like that of a normal human after all.
Her main stuff is imperceptible and is impossible to trace. It has no form, the actual magic is visualization of reality based on her perception, the weapon she uses is just a normal weapon, there's nothing for Gojo to actually perceive here lad till
after it happens. But if she uses it, it's already to late. He needs to figure all this out BEFORE she uses it.
This is like saying Gojo could use Six Eyes to analyze thought based reality warping, because that's what this is, the effects don't stem from an external source but rather her own mind.
And, again, why assume 50m isn't safe enough, why would he move however far away?
If anything this would be one of the most cautious enemies for him. Don't see why it being formless matters, its got an underlying mechanism to it, the Six Eyes and Gojo's own inference of the ability would lead him to perceive it as dangerous.
The mechanism behind it, is that it
doesn't follow any mechanisms, laws, logic, principles of her verse's power system, it's a canon outlier.
It's formless, the magic is "I think I can, so I can", that's what he needs to watch out for, otherwise it's just a normal staff. Unless he can read her mind, there's nothing for him to actually be cautious of until it's already happened. And the worst part, even if he could read her mind it might not help because she doesn't really think about stuff in a fight, she just does.
Sure is a good thing Gojo isn't a mage then.
Bro he floats in the air. That's a mage/demon exclusive thing based on what Ubel knows.
Sure is a good thing Gojo doesn't have mana.
No but that just makes it worse, it still completely halts any movements.
Like, my dude what are these arguments? You're just straight up ignoring how Gojo fights. Gojo has to use Blue that is literally it. That has been the crux of my argument, there is not correct plays, he uses Blue and throws her into a wall, he uses Blue and rips her arms off, he uses Blue and destroys all her limbs. It's a one step plan.
Ways Gojo doesn't fight. Meanwhile Ubel, looks at him.
Literally that's it, she looks at him and flicks her wrist and he's dead. He isn't doing all the contradictory arguments you've been tossing out before she does that, he can't even do it, he basically needs to trade at worst, Ubel is whipping her stuff out immediately, he needs to take several steps otherwise to prevent his death.
Meanwhile Gojo has to immediately get out of range, understand she's a threat because of stuff that isn't actually there for her because she's a fringe case and he ain't a mindreader. Six Eyes ain't telling him "oh reality literally changes to her perception unbound by even her own magic". He isn't getting any tips from analyzing her staff or mana even if he could for arguments' sake. Her flicking is quicker than him doing Blue. Movement speed? She's literally quicker than him, be thankful it's speed equalized. On sight incap prevents things like teleportation or any of his gesture based moves, basically shutting him down before he does anything otherwise.
This is quicker than anything he's doing. Then she just kills him.
You are effectively arguing Gojo runs away (Has no reason to, especially at 50m, even in the examples he would, that's still far below 50m), that he rips apart an otherwise pretty mundane character that he wouldn't even understand why is deadly because reasons before she whips out her own attacks. That Ubel for whatever reason isn't using her go to incap when in a fight (Every fight she's been in since she got it, it was part of her gameplan, she's even used it outside of fights), which said incap stops Gojo from fleeing, teleporting, etc. And also Gojo is somehow quicker on the draw than Ubel moving her hand like 40 degrees and bisecting him, a fact he wouldn't even think would bypass infinity, let alone at that distance. Gojo uses blue as his one step plan?
How, he almost always uses it via gestures, how is he doing that before she SEES him and he becomes immobile? The very examples on the profile are ridiculously over the top as well, each one would take longer than her attack. And he'd still need to use it in a particular way, this isn't getting into the fact it's dodgable.
For Gojo to even just survive, we have to take a bunch of generous possibilities, assume the best, and outright ignore some of Ubel's stuff like the onsight incap.
Gojo MUST somehow do everything you've said in the time it takes a chick to flick her wrist basically. He isn't, that's beyond unrealistic, and a handful of his options take bigger actions then what she needs to do.
