Two Luffy victimizers Duke It Out [Kizaru vs. Kaido]

[Ryuga21]

Luffy was using haki for the simple fact of interacting with the powers of a logia.

Irrc, Luffy literally opened the fight with a kick using ACOC (the same one that previously tied Kaido's attack and split the skies), Kizaru blocked without any difficulty. Luffy literally implied that he was showing to Kizaru that he became "a hundred times stronger than before", which indicates that he wasn't understimating.

Stargun did not made Kizaru faint (or even bleed). Current chapters are showing to us that Kizaru was most likely holding back for his friends and is even probably helping Luffy to recover.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy was using haki for the simple fact of interacting with the powers of a logia.

He has transmutation... Haki hitting lasers isn't hitting a logia

He did the same to lightning by grabbing it and spinning around

Irrc, Luffy literally opened the fight with a kick using ACOC (the same one that previously tied Kaido's attack and split the skies), Kizaru blocked without any difficulty. Luffy literally implied that he was showing to Kizaru that he became "a hundred times stronger than before", which indicates that he wasn't understimating.

base luffy... And that was not adv con haki... It would've hit from a distance without physical interaction if that was the case

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Didn't even show no buso in that starting attack...

Stargun did not made Kizaru faint (or even bleed). Current chapters are showing to us that Kizaru was most likely holding back for his friends and is even probably helping Luffy to recover.

stargun made him immobile... Literally stated by him, current chapters mean literally nothing and doesn't prove at all he was holding back... Luffy isn't his friend

What he does in the future if he switches sides or not doesn't change the past unless stated that he held back

 

[ssgengar]

Lmao just saw this matchup on twitter and OP fans swear up and down that Kaido would get smoked here

 

[Padaruyos]

All I'm saying here is that Kaido ain't going to get one shotted by White Star Gun

 

[Ryuga21]

He has transmutation... Haki hitting lasers isn't hitting a logia

No proof that he can turn light into rubber. There's no point of fight against a logia without usage of haki, futhermore Kaido stated that Gear 5 is always with Busoshoku and Haoshoku activated. A logia's attack comes from the logia's body so haki is needed to interact with it.

It would've hit from a distance without physical interaction if that was the case

A weaker base Luffy can make Kaido bleed with a casual punch. The black lightining is there, my point is that Kizaru blocked with ease a kick that would for sure harm Kaido.

stargun made him immobile... Literally stated by him, current chapters mean literally nothing and doesn't prove at all he was holding back... Luffy isn't his friend

What he does in the future if he switches sides or not doesn't change the past unless stated that he held back

Luffy is friend of his friends and is fighting on they side. If Kizaru indeed give food to Luffy recover he obviously wasn't fighting serious in the entire confrontation.

 

[SlendVeny]

The guy who can actually beat Luffy FRA

 

[Padaruyos]

Luffy if Kaido didn't decide to tank a ******* Bajrang Gun head on

 

[SlendVeny]

Luffy if Kaido didn't decide to tank a ******* Bajrang Gun head on

To be fair, if you thought you could oneshot the guy you wanted to kill, you would do it too.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

No proof that he can turn light into rubber.

Turned lightning to rubber. And literally shows him grabbing the laser from the side to spin, the sound effects support it even... The proof is in your face

There's no point of fight against a logia without usage of haki

If you're trying to hit the user yee kinda, the lasers? No

futhermore Kaido stated that Gear 5 is always with Busoshoku and Haoshoku activated.

This can mean the base abilities are always active (not hardening or adv arm haki) (not adv con haki) there's literally no proof of those

A logia's attack comes from the logia's body so haki is needed to interact with it.

1. That's specifically talking about ace and the mera mera 2. Gear 5th can transmutate it so it doesn't matter... Interacting with the elements and interacting with the user is different... Haki isn't needed

Whenever we see him using haki vs lasers

They destroy/blow up in place

Different to whenever gear 5 hit them and instead flew in other directions

A weaker base Luffy can make Kaido bleed with a casual punch.

That's buso and adv arm haki... And bleeding from that attack isn't fully shown

The black lightining is there, my point is that Kizaru blocked with ease a kick that would for sure harm Kaido.

F no... The black lightning doesn't automatically mean advanced con haki... Luffy didn't use hardening, didn't use advanced arm haki and didn't use adv con haki and you're saying that would damage kaido? If this isn't insanity idk what is, ain't no way I'm talking to someone who's actually read the manga...

Luffy is friend of his friends and is fighting on they side. If Kizaru indeed give food to Luffy recover he obviously wasn't fighting serious in the entire confrontation.

bro what? That's like saying crocodile didn't fight seriously against luffy because he helped and switched sides in the future, means literally nothing to the past

Bro is twisting literally everything to make it so that It can give him a slight support of his argument but makes no sense still as it gets debunked from the actual showing from the manga

 

[Mndks]

Turned lightning to rubber. And literally shows him grabbing the laser from the side to spin, the sound effects support it even... The proof is in your face

If you're trying to hit the user yee kinda, the lasers? No

This can mean the base abilities are always active (not hardening or adv arm haki) (not adv con haki) there's literally no proof of those

1. That's specifically talking about ace and the mera mera 2. Gear 5th can transmutate it so it doesn't matter... Interacting with the elements and interacting with the user is different... Haki isn't needed

Whenever we see him using haki vs lasers

They destroy/blow up in place

Different to whenever gear 5 hit them and instead flew in other directions

That's buso and adv arm haki... And bleeding from that attack isn't fully shown

F no... The black lightning doesn't automatically mean advanced con haki... Luffy didn't use hardening, didn't use advanced arm haki and didn't use adv con haki and you're saying that would damage kaido? If this isn't insanity idk what is, ain't no way I'm talking to someone who's actually read the manga...

bro what? That's like saying crocodile didn't fight seriously against luffy because he helped and switched sides in the future, means literally nothing to the past

Bro is twisting literally everything to make it so that It can give him a slight support of his argument but makes no sense still as it gets debunked from the actual showing from the manga

I agree with what you say

 

[Mndks]

Luffy if Kaido didn't decide to tank a ******* Bajrang Gun head on

Kaido>luffy

 

[That_moron2]

Crydo FRA

 

[Padaruyos]

To be fair, if you thought you could oneshot the guy you wanted to kill, you would do it too.

He really thought he can pull a Kaioken x4 Goku there

 

[Darkvie123]

Wrorororor FRA

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Haki gg

Even snakeman could deal with the lasers by just punching them

Full on cap… the only damage he’s done was a small scratch wound by a light sword on a no haki luffy

Even when he used his acceleration technique (beyond his max power) to snakeman Luffy, Luffy was completely fine

And how did he show better speed when gear 5 Luffy outpaced or arguably blitzed Kizaru? Whenever kaido is shown to have outpaced Luffy from afar aswell?

I’m not even on onigashima and I can point out all these caps, that’s how wrong your mindset/argument is

And on durability Kaido tanked many haki attacks from gear 5 Luffy, Kizaru couldn’t by just one haki attack…

Bro is reading Kizaru/Admiral Piece

Not how Haki works and Kizarus haki is better than Kaidos by virtue of him being unaffected by G5's toonforce while a post haki bloom Kaido was affected.

Snakeman never made contact with the lasers.

That was damage dealt by light clones who scale below Kizaru and were still pressing Luffy to the point where he had to trick them just to get past.

Prove thats beyond his max power, he was mentally nerfed(which is an astronomical nerf to all stats) and holding back yet could knock Luffy out of G4, something a post haki bloom Kaido couldnt even do until Luffy was offguard in 1042.

He perception blitzed snakeman aswell as casually kept up with him without using futuresight. A slower and weaker snakeman was perception blitzing Kaido who had to use futuresight to gain the advantage. G5 never even came close to matching Kizaru in speed.

The vegapunks confirmed that concentrated Lasers are beyond Lunarian durability which scales massively beyond Kaidos and all lasers in the verse are derived from Kizarus DF which upscales him.

Your entire response just reeks of ignorance which you admit as you haven't even seen the arcs in question.

 

[SlendVeny]

Not how Haki works and Kizarus haki is better than Kaidos by virtue of him being unaffected by G5's toonforce while a post haki bloom Kaido was affected.

He literally was, he died /s

 

[SlendVeny]

Jokes aside, Kizzy got stretched by Luffy's white star gun.

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Jokes aside, Kizzy got stretched by Luffy's white star gun.

That's not G5's toonforce, that's an attack.

When he was popping Kaidos eyes out and turning him into a gag, thats G5's toonforce, something he couldn't do to Kizaru.

 

[Popbum]

That's not G5's toonforce, that's an attack.

When he was popping Kaidos eyes out and turning him into a gag, thats G5's toonforce, something he couldn't do to Kizaru.

Luffy did use toon force on kizaru, literally when he one shotted him. His head was completely deformed and he was seeing stars.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not how Haki works and Kizarus haki is better than Kaidos by virtue of him being unaffected by G5's toonforce while a post haki bloom Kaido was affected.

Snakeman never made contact with the lasers.

That was damage dealt by light clones who scale below Kizaru and were still pressing Luffy to the point where he had to trick them just to get past.

Prove thats beyond his max power, he was mentally nerfed(which is an astronomical nerf to all stats) and holding back yet could knock Luffy out of G4, something a post haki bloom Kaido couldnt even do until Luffy was offguard in 1042.

He perception blitzed snakeman aswell as casually kept up with him without using futuresight. A slower and weaker snakeman was perception blitzing Kaido who had to use futuresight to gain the advantage. G5 never even came close to matching Kizaru in speed.

The vegapunks confirmed that concentrated Lasers are beyond Lunarian durability which scales massively beyond Kaidos and all lasers in the verse are derived from Kizarus DF which upscales him.

Your entire response just reeks of ignorance which you admit as you haven't even seen the arcs in question.

Bro just spoke nothing with straight cap, reread the fight

The lasers literally got punched by snakeman, luffy didn't get perception blitz, he literally reacted to kizaru's acceleration... So again reread the fight

How did gear 5 never get close in speed to kizaru when gear 5 luffy one shot him with star gun something not shown he could even react to?

And even outran his clones

also... "Mentally nerferd", "Holding back"... no proof at all... Someone who has proof of holding back is luffy saying his mission is there to only distract him

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Kaido already won, this thread should be closed

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Luffy did use toon force on kizaru, literally when he one shotted him. His head was completely deformed and he was seeing stars.

He never oneshot him and that's not toonforce, thats how the attack functions.

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Bro just spoke nothing with straight cap, reread the fight

The lasers literally got punched by snakeman, luffy didn't get perception blitz, he literally reacted to kizaru's acceleration... So again reread the fight

How did gear 5 never get close in speed to kizaru when gear 5 luffy one shot him with star gun something not shown he could even react to?

And even outran his clones

also... "Mentally nerferd", "Holding back"... no proof at all... Someone who has proof of holding back is luffy saying his mission is there to only distract him

Bro just spoke nothing with straight cap, reread the fight

The lasers literally got punched by snakeman, luffy didn't get perception blitz, he literally reacted to kizaru's acceleration... So again reread the fight

How did gear 5 never get close in speed to kizaru when gear 5 luffy one shot him with star gun something not shown he could even react to?

And even outran his clones

also... "Mentally nerferd", "Holding back"... no proof at all... Someone who has proof of holding back is luffy saying his mission is there to only distract him

Luffy never hit the lasers, he got perception blitzed when Kizaru first flew off which is why he said "huh?" and questioned how he flew away so far thus indicating that Kizaru moved away faster than Luffys perception who he then proceeded to casually blitz and oneshot. Luffy never reacted to the acceleration, he reacted to the light before Kizaru even flew towards him. You need to reread.

The attack never blitzed Kizaru. Kizaru was offguard as he wasn't expecting an attack from Luffy, the same Luffy who he accelerated by grazing him with a laser. Mind you, star gun is an attack that is inherently unpredictable thus can't be reacted to as an onguard Kaido got hit with a significantly slower variant than the one Kizaru got hit with so it's not a matter of speed.

He barely outran the light clones that were pressing him so hard that he had to bait them into a line just to get past them. Not impressive.

We're told a thousand times that Kizaru doesn't want to hurt his friends and that the mission is difficult for him ontop of Saturn specifically telling him not to cause damage to Egghead so yes, he's Mentally nerfed and holding back unlike Luffy who already acknowledged Kizaru as incredibly strong in a fearful context and has no reason to hold back against Kizaru who he knows has to kill Vega.

Luffys mission is to stop Kizaru from killing Vega in which the best way to do that would be to quickly incapacitate him like he did Lucci yet he couldn't. Any claims suggesting Luffy "held back" are asinine, especially when you take into account the fact that Luffy could replenish himself after reaching his G5 limit against Kaido yet needs food to replenish himself after fighting Kizaru.

 

[SlendVeny]

That's not G5's toonforce, that's an attack.

When he was popping Kaidos eyes out and turning him into a gag, thats G5's toonforce, something he couldn't do to Kizaru.

WAIT, THAT'S LITERALLY THE SCALING MEME! YOU LITERALLY DID THE MEME!

 

[TheFallenProfit]

WAIT, THAT'S LITERALLY THE SCALING MEME! YOU LITERALLY DID THE MEME!

The meme is people trying to claim that G5's toonforce is on the level of characters like Spongebob or Bugs Bunny which is something I didn't even remotely imply he had.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy never hit the lasers

You do know these are hit effects right? And the Japanese sfx confirms they get hit as well

he got perception blitzed when Kizaru first flew off which is why he said "huh?" and questioned how he flew away so far thus indicating that Kizaru moved away faster than Luffys perception who he then proceeded to casually blitz and oneshot. Luffy never reacted to the acceleration, he reacted to the light before Kizaru even flew towards him. You need to reread.

Luffy literally reacted to the thing that's coming at him (Kizaru)... The action lines growing in confirms that

And all it did was push luffy away, even luffy himself only stated about the barrier doing damage to him

A charged up acceleration attack proves itself by logic to be a beyond max power attack, yet all it could do was push gear 4 away

He barely outran the light clones that were pressing him so hard that he had to bait them into a line just to get past them. Not impressive.

Literally not true... He outpaced all of them to make a line for him, and kicked so fast that none of them even from a far could dodge/escape

We're told a thousand times that Kizaru doesn't want to hurt his friends and that the mission is difficult for him ontop of Saturn specifically telling him not to cause damage to Egghead so yes, he's Mentally nerfed and holding back unlike Luffy who already acknowledged Kizaru as incredibly strong in a fearful context and has no reason to hold back against Kizaru who he knows has to kill Vega.

Luffy isn't his friend.

Luffys mission is to stop Kizaru from killing Vega in which the best way to do that would be to quickly incapacitate him like he did Lucci yet he couldn't. Any claims suggesting Luffy "held back" are asinine, especially when you take into account the fact that Luffy could replenish himself after reaching his G5 limit against Kaido yet needs food to replenish himself after fighting Kizaru.

He's mission was to distract him, as stated by luffy... Any other assumptions of what luffy was doing in that instance gets debunked by that, what you think is the best way to deal with kizaru doesn't matter... Luffy is his own character and what luffy does is up to him... Especially in gear 5 where he's free and has fun about everything

 

[Soulgizmo]

im surprised people think kaido wins haha

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Because luffy easily one shotted kizaru while luffy couldn't with kaido haha

It's insane any human would think otherwise