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No wait, that is a quote from the databook? Well then I can consider that
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TTGL downgrade
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>You have to be confirmed as Higher-D, if not we get in some mess, like the fact that the "11-D Simon and Nia" were rescued from 3-D ships after the fight
No, you don't. If someone is stated to create infinite alternate timelines/universes but isn't stated to be higher D then we would consider them higher D by using logic. Just as if we see someone shoot fire out of their hands we would assume they have fire manipulation, even if it wasn't stated. Regardless, this is an irrelevent point.
No, you don't. If someone is stated to create infinite alternate timelines/universes but isn't stated to be higher D then we would consider them higher D by using logic. Just as if we see someone shoot fire out of their hands we would assume they have fire manipulation, even if it wasn't stated. Regardless, this is an irrelevent point.
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>No, you don't. If someone is stated to create infinite alternate timelines/universes but isn't stated to be higher D then we would consider them higher D by using logic. Just as if we see someone shoot fire out of their hands we would assume they have fire manipulation, even if it wasn't stated. Regardless, this is an irrelevent point.
So 11-Ds were rescued from 3-Ds? Lmao k
Anyway 2-A seems fine
So 11-Ds were rescued from 3-Ds? Lmao k
Anyway 2-A seems fine
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>So 11-Ds were rescued from 3-Ds? Lmao k
When you see a supposed human fight fist to fist and defeat a being composed of an entire hyper-intelligent civilization that is easily able to create an infinite multiverse, has complete control over a super spiral universe and can easily create energy contructions that dwarfs universes, it's hard to not just chalk up what you're talking about as just a slight inconsistancy.
When you see a supposed human fight fist to fist and defeat a being composed of an entire hyper-intelligent civilization that is easily able to create an infinite multiverse, has complete control over a super spiral universe and can easily create energy contructions that dwarfs universes, it's hard to not just chalk up what you're talking about as just a slight inconsistancy.
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>All of what you're saying are power feats, not existence feats, if not Chamel is 4-D because his ki was destroying the multiverse
"has complete control over a super spiral universe"
Meaning producing a super spiral universe within itself and having complete control over it. Simon absorbing the Multiversal Labyrinth and TTGL also being able to create a super spiral universe within itself are also other examples.
"has complete control over a super spiral universe"
Meaning producing a super spiral universe within itself and having complete control over it. Simon absorbing the Multiversal Labyrinth and TTGL also being able to create a super spiral universe within itself are also other examples.
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I've retracted my vote. Neutral for now.
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> Actually as we can see the 10th and 11th dimensions being described as "dimensional universes", so that's not 11-D but just the 10th and 11th universe.
They're literally referred to as dimensional (mem)branes, and immediately after this statement, Rossiu points out how this is related to "quantum universe theory". It's even supported at the end of the series, where the narrative specifically differentiates between a regular universe and a spatial dimension by saying "the energy maintaining that universe between dimensions has vanished". 'Universe' obviously refers to the Super Spiral Universe, while 'dimensions' refers to the 10th and 11th dimensional membranes. And of course, they were verbatim stated to be different dimensional axis, and the argument the OP brings up to debunk that doesn't really do its job very well.
> Seriously? So 3-D people ON THE EARTH could actually see 11-D robots fighting each other and even hear what they say? That's definitely another proof of them not being 11-D.
This is a really weak argument that doesn't even debunk higher-dimensionality. You're acting like they were standing right in front of the mechs and watching them fight, not like they were literally viewing them as projections through a spatio-temporal rip (whether that's intentional or not, doesn't matter). And no, "they were really far away" won't all of a sudden make them semi-transparent. It was clearly a projection of the fight taking place in the Super Spiral Universe. And besides, all this debunks is the mechs being higher-dimensional in size. It proves nothing about their tier, and no, those things are obviously not inherently associated with each other.
> Not only Super Spiral Universe being 11-D was debunked, but also they were fighting inside it so that statement lacks sense, Anti Spiral and TTGL were fighting inside TTGL? Easly nope
A universe inside a universe? Then, logically, the Super Spiral Universe existing within TTGL is a compressed one. And before you say "that's just an assumption so wrong", no, it's not. It's not only logic, but it's also based on a statement made by WoG. They implied that it's compressed by justifying why TTGL can exist within the regular space using the fact that it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.
As for arguments brought up in the thread itself.
> The funny part arises when people start calling those Galaxies in the super spiral space as 10-D Galaxies when they are clearly 3D. Anti-spiral also made a big deal out of big bang storm
The galaxies were created and are literally powered by the Anti-Spiral itself. They're directly tied to its existence and energy, as shown when the entire Super Spiral Universe disappeared following the Anti-Spiral's death and the statement regarding it.
> Inb4 11D Big Bang
The Big Bang is the event that created the universe. If the universe is 11D, then the Big Bang is logically also 11D. Really basic logic, I don't know why I even have to mention this.
> This whole event is something which is taking place on a 3D-4D scale because of the Galaxies being 3D objects. There is no way the Universe could be 11-D if such an event can cause the end of it.
That's an extremely arbitrary argument. You're randomly deciding that this feat can only take place on up to a 4D scale. All this proves is that the Spiral Nemesis is 11D for destroying the entire universe and everyone within it, basically like a doomsday-like event. Your dimensional existence/size does not limit your tier.
> You have to be confirmed as Higher-D, if not we get in some mess, like the fact that the "11-D Simon and Nia" were rescued from 3-D ships after the fight
Simon and Nia are obviously not physically 11D, nor is the Anti-Spiral when it fought Simo (it's directly shown to be able to manipulate its size. Remember when it appeared through that rip in space?). And that doesn't debunk High 1-C anyway. Again, not being of higher-dimensional size doesn't mean you can't have higher-dimensional power.
Edit: I obviously disagree with the High 1-C downgrade.
They're literally referred to as dimensional (mem)branes, and immediately after this statement, Rossiu points out how this is related to "quantum universe theory". It's even supported at the end of the series, where the narrative specifically differentiates between a regular universe and a spatial dimension by saying "the energy maintaining that universe between dimensions has vanished". 'Universe' obviously refers to the Super Spiral Universe, while 'dimensions' refers to the 10th and 11th dimensional membranes. And of course, they were verbatim stated to be different dimensional axis, and the argument the OP brings up to debunk that doesn't really do its job very well.
> Seriously? So 3-D people ON THE EARTH could actually see 11-D robots fighting each other and even hear what they say? That's definitely another proof of them not being 11-D.
This is a really weak argument that doesn't even debunk higher-dimensionality. You're acting like they were standing right in front of the mechs and watching them fight, not like they were literally viewing them as projections through a spatio-temporal rip (whether that's intentional or not, doesn't matter). And no, "they were really far away" won't all of a sudden make them semi-transparent. It was clearly a projection of the fight taking place in the Super Spiral Universe. And besides, all this debunks is the mechs being higher-dimensional in size. It proves nothing about their tier, and no, those things are obviously not inherently associated with each other.
> Not only Super Spiral Universe being 11-D was debunked, but also they were fighting inside it so that statement lacks sense, Anti Spiral and TTGL were fighting inside TTGL? Easly nope
A universe inside a universe? Then, logically, the Super Spiral Universe existing within TTGL is a compressed one. And before you say "that's just an assumption so wrong", no, it's not. It's not only logic, but it's also based on a statement made by WoG. They implied that it's compressed by justifying why TTGL can exist within the regular space using the fact that it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.
As for arguments brought up in the thread itself.
> The funny part arises when people start calling those Galaxies in the super spiral space as 10-D Galaxies when they are clearly 3D. Anti-spiral also made a big deal out of big bang storm
The galaxies were created and are literally powered by the Anti-Spiral itself. They're directly tied to its existence and energy, as shown when the entire Super Spiral Universe disappeared following the Anti-Spiral's death and the statement regarding it.
> Inb4 11D Big Bang
The Big Bang is the event that created the universe. If the universe is 11D, then the Big Bang is logically also 11D. Really basic logic, I don't know why I even have to mention this.
> This whole event is something which is taking place on a 3D-4D scale because of the Galaxies being 3D objects. There is no way the Universe could be 11-D if such an event can cause the end of it.
That's an extremely arbitrary argument. You're randomly deciding that this feat can only take place on up to a 4D scale. All this proves is that the Spiral Nemesis is 11D for destroying the entire universe and everyone within it, basically like a doomsday-like event. Your dimensional existence/size does not limit your tier.
> You have to be confirmed as Higher-D, if not we get in some mess, like the fact that the "11-D Simon and Nia" were rescued from 3-D ships after the fight
Simon and Nia are obviously not physically 11D, nor is the Anti-Spiral when it fought Simo (it's directly shown to be able to manipulate its size. Remember when it appeared through that rip in space?). And that doesn't debunk High 1-C anyway. Again, not being of higher-dimensional size doesn't mean you can't have higher-dimensional power.
Edit: I obviously disagree with the High 1-C downgrade.
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BTW, just a friendly reminder that the anti-spiral created the infinite labyrinth, which is made of an ever-expanding fractal of universes, which is 2-B
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It was also stated to be a "hell of infinite possibility", which implies 2-A. Also, its name, but that's a bit of a Name Fallacy.
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Disagree with OP because :
"universe with a different set of dimensional axes" self explanatory
"an imaginary oscillating time-space located between the membranes" also self explanatory
"of the dimensional universes we call the 10th and 11th dimensions"
So, exactly as it says, the dimensional universes in question have membranes that give different dimensional axes to the AS universe, and this is because of such fonction that they're called the 10th and 11th dimension.
"So 3D people can see them ?" Oh my god look, fiction being fiction, unforgivable, better ignore everything else and concentrate on this small detail. Or worse, "they can hear them", we can't even hear explosions of stars from where we are, but somehow you find an excuse like that legit to downgrade a higher dimensional entity in a verse that definitely doesn't give a damn about any of that ? It's not forbidden in fiction to do things that doesn't entirely match up with the science of our world. It should be common sense but common sense isn't common practice.
"universe with a different set of dimensional axes" self explanatory
"an imaginary oscillating time-space located between the membranes" also self explanatory
"of the dimensional universes we call the 10th and 11th dimensions"
So, exactly as it says, the dimensional universes in question have membranes that give different dimensional axes to the AS universe, and this is because of such fonction that they're called the 10th and 11th dimension.
"So 3D people can see them ?" Oh my god look, fiction being fiction, unforgivable, better ignore everything else and concentrate on this small detail. Or worse, "they can hear them", we can't even hear explosions of stars from where we are, but somehow you find an excuse like that legit to downgrade a higher dimensional entity in a verse that definitely doesn't give a damn about any of that ? It's not forbidden in fiction to do things that doesn't entirely match up with the science of our world. It should be common sense but common sense isn't common practice.
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Yeah, disagree with the downgrades FRA
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Disagree too with the removal of High 1-c
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Disagree with this Downgrade FRA.
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I disagree for Zero's reasons
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Wanted to mention that the idea that the Spiral that is supposed to cause the ultimate end of the universe being only 3-A or Low 2-C is ridiculous. If you say the 10-D to 11-D stuff is referring to seperate universes rather than membrane stuff then why would the Anti-spiral worry about an end to one 4-D universe when they have access to at least 10 other universes and the space between them, have their own Super Spiral Universe and are able to create their own multiverses? That automatically means the spiral that Anti-spiral was worried about isn't as simple as a huge galaxy forming.
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The Labyrinth is 2-AOverlord775 said:
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I disagree FRA. Really the only actual argument against it was "people can see them fight."
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We had a long discussion about this verse, High 1-C is considered legit based on our Brane cosmology experts.
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> Lol
I hate to break it to you, but that's not going to validate the verse being downgraded. The points brought up have been refuted, and on top of that, the topic of High 1-C TTGL has been discussed to death and is accepted as legitimate. So unless anyone's willing to provide proper reasoning as to why High 1-C is invalid, we might as well move on to hax and get this over with.
I hate to break it to you, but that's not going to validate the verse being downgraded. The points brought up have been refuted, and on top of that, the topic of High 1-C TTGL has been discussed to death and is accepted as legitimate. So unless anyone's willing to provide proper reasoning as to why High 1-C is invalid, we might as well move on to hax and get this over with.
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I still disagree with High 1-C but yes, let's move to hax as the High 1-C disussion seems with no end at allZeroTC01 said:
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I disagree for Zewo's reasons
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I disagree for reasons above.
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Personally I'm for the speed downgrades. They don't have the consistent evidence for an immeasurable rating outside of one specific attack.
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If Immeasurable is just for attacking all those points in time, then, yeah, it's just an specific attack they have.
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You don't get to be in the same threads with Zero.Maverick Zero X said:
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Someone may ask DMUA for clarifications, he was the one who upgraded TTGL to be High 1-C in general as opposed to At least 2-B, possibly High 1-C. Ultima Reality and Aeyu also both said that TTGL might have a possible upgrade to 1-B based on what I've been told in the Audit group.
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>1-B TTGL
Holy shet
Holy shet
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Would need one of them to verify, and also unsure about it, but it has something to do with them actually transcending above the plane stated to be "11-Dimensional".
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Regarding speed, not sure how Immeasurable is inconsistent. At worst, it'd be "Massively FTL+, possibly Immeasurable".
1. They're High 1-C, with the Anti-Spiral being an 11D being one with its own space-time continuum. Shouldn't they just be Immeasurable by default (unless the new TS changed that and I'm not aware of it)?
2. The Anti-Spiral created the Super Spiral Universe between the 10th and 11th dimensions. That implies that it was able to travel the distance between dimensions, exist there, and create a universe, which should be Immeasurable speed via traversing interdimensional distances and existing in higher-dimensional space.
3. We already have the attack speed and reactions feat of SGGL launching an attack all throughout the Super Spiral Universe's time axis, plus the Perceptual Teleportation System that was shown time and time again to allow the mechs to reach different dimensions and universes. Any Mech above SGGL would just scale above those Immeasurable feats.
As for the 1-B thing, the only argument I'm aware of for that, given that thought is given form in the Super Spiral Universe, multiple statements made in it (Simon and Nia's intentions transcending space-time according to Darry, Simon stating that they will go beyond and break through space, time and dimensions, etc.) would become reality, thus TTGL would transcend space-time, making it and those who scale 1-B. Idk if that's the same argument the others have in mind, though.
Overall, this would also contribute to Immeasurable speed (it's already on TTGL's profile, IIRC).
1. They're High 1-C, with the Anti-Spiral being an 11D being one with its own space-time continuum. Shouldn't they just be Immeasurable by default (unless the new TS changed that and I'm not aware of it)?
2. The Anti-Spiral created the Super Spiral Universe between the 10th and 11th dimensions. That implies that it was able to travel the distance between dimensions, exist there, and create a universe, which should be Immeasurable speed via traversing interdimensional distances and existing in higher-dimensional space.
3. We already have the attack speed and reactions feat of SGGL launching an attack all throughout the Super Spiral Universe's time axis, plus the Perceptual Teleportation System that was shown time and time again to allow the mechs to reach different dimensions and universes. Any Mech above SGGL would just scale above those Immeasurable feats.
As for the 1-B thing, the only argument I'm aware of for that, given that thought is given form in the Super Spiral Universe, multiple statements made in it (Simon and Nia's intentions transcending space-time according to Darry, Simon stating that they will go beyond and break through space, time and dimensions, etc.) would become reality, thus TTGL would transcend space-time, making it and those who scale 1-B. Idk if that's the same argument the others have in mind, though.
Overall, this would also contribute to Immeasurable speed (it's already on TTGL's profile, IIRC).
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- 1: No. Being higher dimensional is not a valid reason for the immeasurable rating. They need to showcase that they can travel through time with raw speed rather than an ability. You can be High 1-B and not be Immeasurable for example.
- 2: Going to other dimensions is not a Immeasurable speed justification unless you can prove those dimensions exist as separate space-time continuum (which would possibly invalidate the brand space quote if it's true)
- 3: That's Immeasurable attack speed for that certain ability. Not for every movement or attack by the mechs.
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I'm pretty sure being able to physically move freely into a higher dimensional space would count as immeasurable speed
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